Official ‘24-25 Off-season Thread

[hoopsfan777]

Murray
#23
NOP/MIL '26 1st
for
Claxton

[ecuhus1981]

Murray
#23
NOP/MIL '26 1st
for
Claxton

Please no.

Dejounte is out all of next season, owed big money for the next 4 seasons and may never play at a starter level again off of this injury. The 23rd pick is not enough incentive, I honestly would not do this for the 7th pick.

[TheNetsFan]

Murray
#23
NOP/MIL '26 1st
for
Claxton

Please no.

Dejounte is out all of next season, owed big money for the next 4 seasons and may never play at a starter level again off of this injury. The 23rd pick is not enough incentive, I honestly would not do this for the 7th pick.

Assuming it's not protected, that '26 pick could be very good. I'd strongly consider this.

[Netaman]

Murray
#23
NOP/MIL '26 1st
for
Claxton

Please no.

Dejounte is out all of next season, owed big money for the next 4 seasons and may never play at a starter level again off of this injury. The 23rd pick is not enough incentive, I honestly would not do this for the 7th pick.

Assuming it's not protected, that '26 pick could be very good. I'd strongly consider this.

yeah i think value is ok. would probably prefer another unprotect future first instead of #23 because there is no way they roster 5 (or 6) rookies this year.

if there is some kind of framework that works with these 2 teams i think it's more likely to be involving pick #7 though because that's something that would more specifically interest the nets.

#7 + Murray for #19 and claxton feels like something that could work for both.

[hoopsfan777]

Please no.

Dejounte is out all of next season, owed big money for the next 4 seasons and may never play at a starter level again off of this injury. The 23rd pick is not enough incentive, I honestly would not do this for the 7th pick.

Assuming it's not protected, that '26 pick could be very good. I'd strongly consider this.

yeah i think value is ok. would probably prefer another unprotect future first instead of #23 because there is no way they roster 5 (or 6) rookies this year.

if there is some kind of framework that works with these 2 teams i think it's more likely to be involving pick #7 though because that's something that would more specifically interest the nets.

#7 + Murray for #19 and claxton feels like something that could work for both.

Add #36.

[Netaman]

Assuming it's not protected, that '26 pick could be very good. I'd strongly consider this.

yeah i think value is ok. would probably prefer another unprotect future first instead of #23 because there is no way they roster 5 (or 6) rookies this year.

if there is some kind of framework that works with these 2 teams i think it's more likely to be involving pick #7 though because that's something that would more specifically interest the nets.

#7 + Murray for #19 and claxton feels like something that could work for both.

Add #36.

done.

[Netaman]

KD to HOU and Suns now have the 10th pick. Sounds like they want to keep Brooks, but whether they reroute Jalen Green or Allen/O'neale im sure they want to get out of 2nd apron.

Bad contracts + #10 for #19 + #26 seems like a deal that could fit both sides, possibly expanding with Claxton (or CamJ) also involved.

[Netaman]

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[Papi_swav]

Suns can be a good trade partner. Claxton and 19 for the 10th pick? Beal and the 10th pick for a salary filler and then buy out Beal? I kind of don't want Green, we already have camT for now

[Netaman]

Suns can be a good trade partner. Claxton and 19 for the 10th pick? Beal and the 10th pick for a salary filler and then buy out Beal? I kind of don't want Green, we already have camT for now

only salary filler we have to do beal would be clax or camj. beal + #10 for clax doesn't feel like nearly enough.

[JoseRizal]

Is there a possibility we can trade Clax & pick/s for the Suns' bad contracts and CamJ & pick/s for the Raptors' bad contracts?

We could end up with picks 8th, 9th & 10th in this draft. Then, we tank hard this year for another lotto pick next year.

With all these swings in the draft, we could possibly build our future young core similar to OKC & HOU model.

What do you guys think?

[Netaman]

Is there a possibility we can trade Clax & pick/s for the Suns' bad contracts and CamJ & pick/s for the Raptors' bad contracts?

We could end up with picks 8th, 9th & 10th in this draft. Then, we tank hard this year for another lotto pick next year.

With all these swings in the draft, we could possibly build our future young core similar to OKC & HOU model.

What do you guys think?

here's my read on current state of play fwiw, 1/2 seem pretty obviously off the board and out of reach, so draft starts at 3 and the 6 players in play up to Nets pick seem likely to include at least Kon, Maluach, Fears, Bailey, Noa. VJ/Tre could be in that group too but also seem likely to go ahead of Nets and probably not be nets trade up targets.

i suspect from 3 to 10 the nets have had conversations with everyone, and know what it will cost to maneuver however they need. could be slight trade ups adding in picks like #26/27 and taking back a bad contract, or bigger trades with clax/camj involved. the bad contracts in discussion could be anything from something small like andre drummond to pg3/beal. i personally buy the bailey smoke as the main trade up guy if Philly picks someone else and doesn't trade with nets themselves.

i dont suspect nets will entertain pg3 or beal for anything short of being handed the #3 pick for an almost nothing price since either would also include camj or calx going the other way for salary ballast. clax for beal's contract i think almost certainly it would cost more than #10 unless there is a prearranged buyout of some sort that's more manageable.

i think the nets wheeling/dealing ends up being determined by what happens in the draft ahead of them. for example if they end up with maluach somehow i think that increases the odds there is some claxton involved trade to get another lotto pick. if they end up move up for bailey somehow then i think it's more likely camj is the asset that gets cashed in because he is the better one to sell high than claxton at the moment. TOR or PHO could fit for him.

if i had to bet on nets getting a pick they dont currently own it would be #10 because they are a good fit as a trade partner with PHO. they can take back one of their bad contracts like grayson allen or royce and give them some other picks/claxton/camj. whatever they do there can likely be folded into the KD trade since that won't become official until July any way. Phoenix is the obvious non-contending team with the biggest challenge getting out of 2nd apron.

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[Karate Diop]

Is there a possibility we can trade Clax & pick/s for the Suns' bad contracts and CamJ & pick/s for the Raptors' bad contracts?

We could end up with picks 8th, 9th & 10th in this draft. Then, we tank hard this year for another lotto pick next year.

With all these swings in the draft, we could possibly build our future young core similar to OKC & HOU model.

What do you guys think?

I was thinking something similar, take on a bad deal get the #10 and sweeten the pot with some of our lower picks or players. Seems doable if the Suns don't want to rebuild. Whether it's Cam Johnson or Claxton they'd both fill a need.

[Netaman]

Is there a possibility we can trade Clax & pick/s for the Suns' bad contracts and CamJ & pick/s for the Raptors' bad contracts?

We could end up with picks 8th, 9th & 10th in this draft. Then, we tank hard this year for another lotto pick next year.

With all these swings in the draft, we could possibly build our future young core similar to OKC & HOU model.

What do you guys think?

I was thinking something similar, take on a bad deal get the #10 and sweeten the pot with some of our lower picks or players. Seems doable if the Suns don't want to rebuild. Whether it's Cam Johnson or Claxton they'd both fill a need.

it's going to be interesting to see how the suns maneuver, Bobby Marks has them about 20m over the 2nd apron and $40m above tax line, and in the 2nd apron they can't aggregate salaries going out. they almost certainly decline Micic which brings that down around $12m, plus Martin ($8.7m) and Richards ($5m) both non-guaranteed, which would get them under the 2nd apron but still about $25m above tax line after counting the #10 pick with 10 players counted.

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beal is the elephant in the room and it seems like solving him is their first step. i doubt they can trade him but gozlan estimates a potential buyout could save them $13m, which would mean they are then about $10-12m above tax line after counting draft pick holds.

so a deal like grayson allen ($16m) + #10 pick ($6m) into nets cap space with #19 ($4m) coming back would possibly get them about under the tax line by about $5m.

to add back a salary like Claxton and get under lux tax, it would seem that they would need to send Green out somewhere, which they seem unlikely to do.

the godfather money saving offer directly with nets would probably be something like green + allen (or royce) + #10 to nets for claxton and later pick(s). that would save them like $25m even while adding Claxton. I dont think Nets would want to bring back this much salary though, but maybe if they are adding #10 and also keeping #19? feels like this would require a 3rd team taking back green though, possibly with a pick attached, and a different salary filler that's fewer years going to the nets.

[Karate Diop]

Is there a possibility we can trade Clax & pick/s for the Suns' bad contracts and CamJ & pick/s for the Raptors' bad contracts?

We could end up with picks 8th, 9th & 10th in this draft. Then, we tank hard this year for another lotto pick next year.

With all these swings in the draft, we could possibly build our future young core similar to OKC & HOU model.

What do you guys think?

I was thinking something similar, take on a bad deal get the #10 and sweeten the pot with some of our lower picks or players. Seems doable if the Suns don't want to rebuild. Whether it's Cam Johnson or Claxton they'd both fill a need.

it's going to be interesting to see how the suns maneuver, Bobby Marks has them about 20m over the 2nd apron and $40m above tax line, and in the 2nd apron they can't aggregate salaries going out. they almost certainly decline Micic which brings that down around $12m, plus Martin ($8.7m) and Richards ($5m) both non-guaranteed, which would get them under the 2nd apron but still about $25m above tax line after counting the #10 pick with 10 players counted.

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beal is the elephant in the room and it seems like solving him is their first step. i doubt they can trade him but gozlan estimates a potential buyout could save them $13m, which would mean they are then about $10-12m above tax line after counting draft pick holds.

so a deal like grayson allen ($16m) + #10 pick ($6m) into nets cap space with #19 ($4m) coming back would possibly get them about under the tax line by about $5m.

to add back a salary like Claxton and get under lux tax, it would seem that they would need to send Green out somewhere, which they seem unlikely to do.

the godfather money saving offer directly with nets would probably be something like green + allen (or royce) + #10 to nets for claxton and later pick(s). that would save them like $25m even while adding Claxton. I dont think Nets would want to bring back this much salary though, but maybe if they are adding #10 and also keeping #19? feels like this would require a 3rd team taking back green though, possibly with a pick attached, and a different salary filler that's fewer years going to the nets.

I guess here's the question, would you take Beal if it meant getting the #10 and having to give up one of Clax or Johnson?

Or do you try to deal those two separately in hopes of a home run later?

[TheNetsFan]

I was thinking something similar, take on a bad deal get the #10 and sweeten the pot with some of our lower picks or players. Seems doable if the Suns don't want to rebuild. Whether it's Cam Johnson or Claxton they'd both fill a need.

it's going to be interesting to see how the suns maneuver, Bobby Marks has them about 20m over the 2nd apron and $40m above tax line, and in the 2nd apron they can't aggregate salaries going out. they almost certainly decline Micic which brings that down around $12m, plus Martin ($8.7m) and Richards ($5m) both non-guaranteed, which would get them under the 2nd apron but still about $25m above tax line after counting the #10 pick with 10 players counted.

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beal is the elephant in the room and it seems like solving him is their first step. i doubt they can trade him but gozlan estimates a potential buyout could save them $13m, which would mean they are then about $10-12m above tax line after counting draft pick holds.

so a deal like grayson allen ($16m) + #10 pick ($6m) into nets cap space with #19 ($4m) coming back would possibly get them about under the tax line by about $5m.

to add back a salary like Claxton and get under lux tax, it would seem that they would need to send Green out somewhere, which they seem unlikely to do.

the godfather money saving offer directly with nets would probably be something like green + allen (or royce) + #10 to nets for claxton and later pick(s). that would save them like $25m even while adding Claxton. I dont think Nets would want to bring back this much salary though, but maybe if they are adding #10 and also keeping #19? feels like this would require a 3rd team taking back green though, possibly with a pick attached, and a different salary filler that's fewer years going to the nets.

I guess here's the question, would you take Beal if it meant getting the #10 and having to give up one of Clax or Johnson?

Or do you try to deal those two separately in hopes of a home run later?

It all depends on our plans for '26 Free Agency. If we want to be big FA players, then definitely no.

Honestly, I lean towards being unwilling to take on Beal, no matter which pick is attached.

[ecuhus1981]

I hope we do not trade away our capspace so cheaply.

[Netaman]

ive considered both beal and pg3 but ultimately i think both are just too restrictive next year. things change so quickly. east is wide open (no that doesn't mean nets will be contending in it, but any team could flip quickly if 1 or 2 lucky things go their way).

giving up camj or claxton can only come back to haunt them so much if they have cap room. finding starter/rotation level players like that isn't too hard with cap space. getting rid of big dead is a lot harder.

camj, #19, #27 for pg, #3, protections taken off PHI27 is as close as I can get to yes on either. but even that, PG has more than $160m coming to him. 1 more year than beal. at 35 he is 4 years older than beal. you have to really believe bailey is going to be that much better than whoever they could get by packaging #19/#27/camj for whichever other green groom guy slides.

[ecuhus1981]

My concern is the roster crunch that we may have on our hands. 15 regular spots, 2 2-way and then 1 other player, I think it's the exhibit 9. I think that Sean Marks has done good work on the margins, with team options and partial guarantees for deep bench players. So if we need to make room for a player, we have the flexibility via trade or just cutting. Here's how I see things shaking out:

PG: K. Johnson (TO)
SG: Thomas (RFA), Whitehead
SF: C. Johnson, Wilson (TO)
PF: Clowney
C: Claxton, Sharpe (RFA)

That's 8 spots out of 15. Then you have 4 1st round picks, and 1 early 2nd rounder. I expect us to either consolidate or draft&stash overseas, but we'll have at least 3 rookies on the payroll. That brings us to 11.

I don't think we'll keep Ziaire, at least he won't be a priority to re-sign. His RFA cap hold is large enough ($18mil) to mess with our free agency, so I'm expecting us to renounce his RFA rights.

Lewis, Martin and Timme are all on non-guaranteed or team option deals. I wouldn't count on seeing any of them in a Nets jersey on opening night.

We have $60mil in capspace, and this is not a good free agency crop. We may splash big money at a young RFA and hope the other team doesn't match, but we'll all have more money to spend. This may soak up the other 4 roster spots. That's how I see it, share your thoughts on how we should construct the roster.

[Netaman]

My concern is the roster crunch that we may have on our hands. 15 regular spots, 2 2-way and then 1 other player, I think it's the exhibit 9. I think that Sean Marks has done good work on the margins, with team options and partial guarantees for deep bench players. So if we need to make room for a player, we have the flexibility via trade or just cutting. Here's how I see things shaking out:

PG: K. Johnson (TO)
SG: Thomas (RFA), Whitehead
SF: C. Johnson, Wilson (TO)
PF: Clowney
C: Claxton, Sharpe (RFA)

That's 8 spots out of 15. Then you have 4 1st round picks, and 1 early 2nd rounder. I expect us to either consolidate or draft&stash overseas, but we'll have at least 3 rookies on the payroll. That brings us to 11.

I don't think we'll keep Ziaire, at least he won't be a priority to re-sign. His RFA cap hold is large enough ($18mil) to mess with our free agency, so I'm expecting us to renounce his RFA rights.

Lewis, Martin and Timme are all on non-guaranteed or team option deals. I wouldn't count on seeing any of them in a Nets jersey on opening night.

We have $60mil in capspace, and this is not a good free agency crop. We may splash big money at a young RFA and hope the other team doesn't match, but we'll all have more money to spend. This may soak up the other 4 roster spots. That's how I see it, share your thoughts on how we should construct the roster.

think everything flows from draft. the goal should be at minimum to get 2 starter level talents by consolidating to get 2 lotto picks. not that those 2 players will necessarily start from day 1, but whoever they are they should get minutes and opportunity. Clowney, Sharpe, CamT, Wilson should obviously also get shots at minutes. Keon too.

If somehow both clax/camj dont get moved that's 9. I expect DLo or some other veteran guard, so that's effectively a 10 man rotation, and they will probably have at least 1 more draft pick (maybe 2 or 3).

And they will probably still need to spend more of their cap even if it's just taking back a dump for a future pick.

but it all starts from the draft. getting ace bailey vs. fears vs. kon vs maluach with whatever their highest pick is will impact the follow-up moves. goes without saying whoever their first pick is should be a player they see as a real building block piece.