NBA Trade Thread #12

[Dez]

He's a great defender and great lob threat, there are levels to it. Use almost any metric you want and Gafford still comes out as an above average center. Not all centers are athletic rim runners, his offense came from being that. If he moved like Vucevic, he doesn't get those alley-oops. Which metrics do you want to use? His offense could "come" from Giddey/Coby.

You want to skip per36, it's meaningless. Even if the plan would be to start him and there's no Lively here? After a Vucevic trade and Collins is traded/expired? Fine. In 21 minutes/gm, he averaged 12pts, 7 rbs and 2 blocks on 72% TS, shooting no threes, VORP 1.8, BPM 3.8, OBPM 2.7, pretty effective on offense with a passing PG. WS 5.9, Offensive win shares 4.4, Block rate 7%. Which of those numbers look average, in however many minutes?

I'm not debating whether or not he's good, I'm simply pointing out that his entire offensive game is based around getting thrown lobs. He's only going to get whatever his PG creates for him, he doesn't possess the offensive skill to create his own offense.

We've been dying for a center who could catch lobs. Giddey has nobody but Matas to throw them too. I'd kill for a really athletic big. We've had the good three point shooting, good passing, bad defense, non-athletic guy for years. Everybody wants him gone. You're not likely to get Wemby, three point shooting, good defensive, rim protecting, athletic guy who's fast and going to catch alley-oops. There's only one of him, though Myles Turner does most of that without the alley oops.

Pick your poison, especially with what we're willing to spend to upgrade. Or just keep Vucevic, would that make you happier? Maybe we re-sign him again, we'd have an offensively skilled big man. Or just draft Derrick Queen, if he's available.

One more time, I'm not debating if we should get him or not because I would ship Coby out yesterday.

His output offensively would not be as good here because he doesn't have a Luka or Kyrie breaking down a defense, so his numbers are misleading.

It's all irrelevant anyway given he's extended with the Mavs.

[Infinity2152]

I'm not debating whether or not he's good, I'm simply pointing out that his entire offensive game is based around getting thrown lobs. He's only going to get whatever his PG creates for him, he doesn't possess the offensive skill to create his own offense.

We've been dying for a center who could catch lobs. Giddey has nobody but Matas to throw them too. I'd kill for a really athletic big. We've had the good three point shooting, good passing, bad defense, non-athletic guy for years. Everybody wants him gone. You're not likely to get Wemby, three point shooting, good defensive, rim protecting, athletic guy who's fast and going to catch alley-oops. There's only one of him, though Myles Turner does most of that without the alley oops.

Pick your poison, especially with what we're willing to spend to upgrade. Or just keep Vucevic, would that make you happier? Maybe we re-sign him again, we'd have an offensively skilled big man. Or just draft Derrick Queen, if he's available.

One more time, I'm not debating if we should get him or not because I would ship Coby out yesterday.

His output offensively would not be as good here because he doesn't have a Luka or Kyrie breaking down a defense, so his numbers are misleading.

It's all irrelevant anyway given he's extended with the Mavs.

Cool. I'd think an extension makes him more tradeable, not less. 3yrs/$54 mill is damn affordable. And I got you, bro. I don't think he's perfect. I think he's VERY acceptable and if the cost to get him is reasonable I'd love to have him lock down that spot for the next 3-6 years.

And if we don't have guys who can break down the defense, we're in trouble anyway. Giddey's good enough at it, Coby's decent as far as gravity, and I'm hoping for an upgrade there. Gafford's only 26, he should be great for years. With that extension, I'd send them Coby straight up, no assets required.

[Dan Z]

We've been dying for a center who could catch lobs. Giddey has nobody but Matas to throw them too. I'd kill for a really athletic big. We've had the good three point shooting, good passing, bad defense, non-athletic guy for years. Everybody wants him gone. You're not likely to get Wemby, three point shooting, good defensive, rim protecting, athletic guy who's fast and going to catch alley-oops. There's only one of him, though Myles Turner does most of that without the alley oops.

Pick your poison, especially with what we're willing to spend to upgrade. Or just keep Vucevic, would that make you happier? Maybe we re-sign him again, we'd have an offensively skilled big man. Or just draft Derrick Queen, if he's available.

One more time, I'm not debating if we should get him or not because I would ship Coby out yesterday.

His output offensively would not be as good here because he doesn't have a Luka or Kyrie breaking down a defense, so his numbers are misleading.

It's all irrelevant anyway given he's extended with the Mavs.

Cool. I'd think an extension makes him more tradeable, not less. 3yrs/$54 mill is damn affordable. And I got you, bro. I don't think he's perfect. I think he's VERY acceptable and if the cost to get him is reasonable I'd love to have him lock down that spot for the next 3-6 years.

And if we don't have guys who can break down the defense, we're in trouble anyway. Giddey's good enough at it, Coby's decent as far as gravity, and I'm hoping for an upgrade there. Gafford's only 26, he should be great for years. With that extension, I'd send them Coby straight up, no assets required.

Coby straight up for Gafford?

To each his own, but that would hurt the teams offense, specifically three point shooting.

I like Gafford, but how much better is he than Jalen Smith?

[WesPeace]

White for Gafford would never ever happen lolz.. White for Gafford and 1st maybe or prospect

[Infinity2152]

Would have asked for more than Gafford before the extension. At 3yrs/$54 mill, I think he's likely to be a bargain deal. Him being an expiring would lower the price. Just like with Coby.

Defensively, Jalen Smith doesn't compare. Pretty much no center who can shoot does. Everybody wants rim protection, but you usually sacrifice that with shooting. A rim running center who blocks shots and can shoot is a $50 mill/yr player, pretty easily. And I like Smith, I'd keep him too. Jalen Smith's block rate last year 4% compared to 7.1% for Gafford. Nearly double. Career block rate of 3.7% compared to 6.7% for Gafford. Far superior shot blocker, more athletic and way better rim runner. Smith just shoots better. Gafford's quietly elite at what he does.

There's no way anybody's going to convince me Coby at $30-$45 mill next year is more valuable than Gafford at $18 mill. Gafford's only a year older. Going to say it for the 40th time. We have no rights to Coby past the deadline. He is no longer our asset in any way. He will be headed to unrestricted free agency. We will have the right to bid market value, just like every other team with cap space.

[Dan Z]

Would have asked for more than Gafford before the extension. At 3yrs/$54 mill, I think he's likely to be a bargain deal in a year or two. Him being an expiring would lower the price. Just like with Coby.

Defensively, Jalen Smith doesn't compare. Pretty much no center who can shoot does. Everybody wants rim protection, but you usually sacrifice that with shooting. A rim running center who blocks shots and can shoot is a $50 mill/yr player, pretty easily. And I like Smith, I'd keep him too. Jalen Smith's block rate last year 4% compared to 7.1% for Gafford. Nearly double. Career block rate of 3.7% compared to 6.7% for Gafford. Far superior shot blocker, more athletic and way better rim runner. Smith just shoots better.

There's no way anybody's going to convince me Coby at $30-$45 mill next year is more valuable than Gafford at $18 mill. Gafford's only a year older. Going to say it for the 40th time. We have no rights to Coby past the deadline. He is no longer our asset in any way. He will be headed to unrestricted free agency. We will have the right to bid market value, just like every other team with cap space.

It's possible that Coby gets an extension before it goes that far, but even if he doesn't it's okay to let the market decide. Who has cap space that will bid for him? How high will they go?

I'm not against trading Coby, but I don't think he's a bad player and if he signs an extension that's a decent price then I'm okay with keeping him.

If the Bulls trade Coby then who is the best three point shooter on the team? Huerter? Giddey? I don't think either player is the same kind of scoring threat that Coby can be (even though he's streaky).

[Infinity2152]

Would have asked for more than Gafford before the extension. At 3yrs/$54 mill, I think he's likely to be a bargain deal in a year or two. Him being an expiring would lower the price. Just like with Coby.

Defensively, Jalen Smith doesn't compare. Pretty much no center who can shoot does. Everybody wants rim protection, but you usually sacrifice that with shooting. A rim running center who blocks shots and can shoot is a $50 mill/yr player, pretty easily. And I like Smith, I'd keep him too. Jalen Smith's block rate last year 4% compared to 7.1% for Gafford. Nearly double. Career block rate of 3.7% compared to 6.7% for Gafford. Far superior shot blocker, more athletic and way better rim runner. Smith just shoots better.

There's no way anybody's going to convince me Coby at $30-$45 mill next year is more valuable than Gafford at $18 mill. Gafford's only a year older. Going to say it for the 40th time. We have no rights to Coby past the deadline. He is no longer our asset in any way. He will be headed to unrestricted free agency. We will have the right to bid market value, just like every other team with cap space.

It's possible that Coby gets an extension before it goes that far, but even if he doesn't it's okay to let the market decide. Who has cap space that will bid for him? How high will they go?

I'm not against trading Coby, but I don't think he's a bad player and if he signs an extension that's a decent price then I'm okay with keeping him.

If the Bulls trade Coby then who is the best three point shooter on the team? Huerter? Giddey? I don't think either player is the same kind of scoring threat that Coby can be (even though he's streaky).

Next year a ton of teams have cap space. And if AK keeps him past the deadline, we're making the top offer. I'm being nice, it could be a Bradley Beal contract. It's super, duper, highly unlikely Coby signs an extension and I would 100% keep him if he does. His max would be either $18 or $22 mill, no reason for him to accept that. That's why I would use him to get an asset while we still have control.

Only free agent I think you should pay full price for is a max 1A free agent. Not the Lavine-White level guys. we're not getting good players without giving good players, other teams have their own best interests. We could completely skip center the next three drafts. PG locked up with Giddey and Matas at one forward spot.

Do you all think it would be a good idea to pay Coby $45+mill next year if that's his market value? That's not close to a max contract next year. Even if he plays great individually? Because he's not adding a lot of assists, rebounds, or defense. Understand he's paired with Giddey. Lavine got that years ago with a much smaller cap from the same GM.

Huerter and Ayo split SG until the summer. We re-sign Tre Jones, Ball could play with any guard. All shoot threes well and most defend better than Coby. Our scoring goes down losing Coby and Vucevic, but our defense goes way up. Plus we'd be looking at 1-2 players coming back in any Vucevic trade, who knows what they bring? We still have Collins to trade too. And we'll have a new rookie. We want Giddey and Matas to get a lot of shots anyway, Coby isn't helping that. He's more of an iso scorer.

[Dan Z]

Would have asked for more than Gafford before the extension. At 3yrs/$54 mill, I think he's likely to be a bargain deal in a year or two. Him being an expiring would lower the price. Just like with Coby.

Defensively, Jalen Smith doesn't compare. Pretty much no center who can shoot does. Everybody wants rim protection, but you usually sacrifice that with shooting. A rim running center who blocks shots and can shoot is a $50 mill/yr player, pretty easily. And I like Smith, I'd keep him too. Jalen Smith's block rate last year 4% compared to 7.1% for Gafford. Nearly double. Career block rate of 3.7% compared to 6.7% for Gafford. Far superior shot blocker, more athletic and way better rim runner. Smith just shoots better.

There's no way anybody's going to convince me Coby at $30-$45 mill next year is more valuable than Gafford at $18 mill. Gafford's only a year older. Going to say it for the 40th time. We have no rights to Coby past the deadline. He is no longer our asset in any way. He will be headed to unrestricted free agency. We will have the right to bid market value, just like every other team with cap space.

It's possible that Coby gets an extension before it goes that far, but even if he doesn't it's okay to let the market decide. Who has cap space that will bid for him? How high will they go?

I'm not against trading Coby, but I don't think he's a bad player and if he signs an extension that's a decent price then I'm okay with keeping him.

If the Bulls trade Coby then who is the best three point shooter on the team? Huerter? Giddey? I don't think either player is the same kind of scoring threat that Coby can be (even though he's streaky).

Next year a ton of teams have cap space. And if AK keeps him past the deadline, we're making the top offer. I'm being nice, it could be a Bradley Beal contract. It's super, duper, highly unlikely Coby signs an extension and I would 100% keep him if he does. His max would be either $18 or $22 mill, no reason for him to accept that. That's why I would use him to get an asset while we still have control.

Only free agent I think you should pay full price for is a max 1A free agent. Not the Lavine-White level guys. we're not getting good players without giving good players, other teams have their own best interests. We could completely skip center the next three drafts. PG locked up with Giddey and Matas at one forward spot.

Do you all think it would be a good idea to pay Coby $45+mill next year if that's his market value? That's not close to a max contract next year. Even if he plays great individually? Because he's not adding a lot of assists, rebounds, or defense. Understand he's paired with Giddey. Lavine got that years ago with a much smaller cap from the same GM.

Huerter and Ayo split SG until the summer. We re-sign Tre Jones, Ball could play with any guard. All shoot threes well and most defend better than Coby. Our scoring goes down losing Coby and Vucevic, but our defense goes way up. Plus we'd be looking at 1-2 players coming back in any Vucevic trade, who knows what they bring? We still have Collins to trade too. We want Giddey and Matas to get a lot of shots anyway, Coby isn't helping that. He's more of an iso scorer.

NBA contracts are crazy. Jalen Green will make 33, 36 and 36 million the next three years. Is he better than Coby?

I doubt Coby will get 45+ million a year. That's crazy.

Who are the teams that have cap space in a year and you think would be willing to pay him a big contract? Brooklyn might have cap space, but with Cam Thomas why would they be interested in Coby? Anyone else?

Gafford is a solid player, but I wouldn't trade Coby for him. That's just my two cents.

I think you're underrating Cobys scoring ability, but I also don't think he's good enough that the Bulls need to keep him. For the right deal I have no problem with AK trading him.

[Infinity2152]

It's possible that Coby gets an extension before it goes that far, but even if he doesn't it's okay to let the market decide. Who has cap space that will bid for him? How high will they go?

I'm not against trading Coby, but I don't think he's a bad player and if he signs an extension that's a decent price then I'm okay with keeping him.

If the Bulls trade Coby then who is the best three point shooter on the team? Huerter? Giddey? I don't think either player is the same kind of scoring threat that Coby can be (even though he's streaky).

Next year a ton of teams have cap space. And if AK keeps him past the deadline, we're making the top offer. I'm being nice, it could be a Bradley Beal contract. It's super, duper, highly unlikely Coby signs an extension and I would 100% keep him if he does. His max would be either $18 or $22 mill, no reason for him to accept that. That's why I would use him to get an asset while we still have control.

Only free agent I think you should pay full price for is a max 1A free agent. Not the Lavine-White level guys. we're not getting good players without giving good players, other teams have their own best interests. We could completely skip center the next three drafts. PG locked up with Giddey and Matas at one forward spot.

Do you all think it would be a good idea to pay Coby $45+mill next year if that's his market value? That's not close to a max contract next year. Even if he plays great individually? Because he's not adding a lot of assists, rebounds, or defense. Understand he's paired with Giddey. Lavine got that years ago with a much smaller cap from the same GM.

Huerter and Ayo split SG until the summer. We re-sign Tre Jones, Ball could play with any guard. All shoot threes well and most defend better than Coby. Our scoring goes down losing Coby and Vucevic, but our defense goes way up. Plus we'd be looking at 1-2 players coming back in any Vucevic trade, who knows what they bring? We still have Collins to trade too. We want Giddey and Matas to get a lot of shots anyway, Coby isn't helping that. He's more of an iso scorer.

NBA contracts are crazy. Jalen Green will make 33, 36 and 36 million the next three years. Is he better than Coby?

I doubt Coby will get 45+ million a year. That's crazy.

Who are the teams that have cap space in a year and you think would be willing to pay him a big contract? Brooklyn might have cap space, but with Cam Thomas why would they be interested in Coby? Anyone else?

Gafford is a solid player, but I wouldn't trade Coby for him. That's just my two cents.

I think you're underrating Cobys scoring ability, but I also don't think he's good enough that the Bulls need to keep him. For the right deal I have no problem with AK trading him.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/_/year/2026/sort/cap_maximum_space

Currently there are over 25 teams with projected practical cap space of over $100 million in 2026, according to Spotrac. Yes, a lot of that money will be spent before then but there will be PLENTY of teams with a lot of cap space in 2026. I don't see why people think $40 mill is unlikely for Coby when he gave Lavine 5yrs/$215 mill in 2022. The salary cap was $123.7 mill. The cap for 2026 is projected to be $154.6. That'e equal to about 5yrs/$268 mill then. $53 mill AAV. But there's no way the SAME guy in the SAME situation does the same thing with a very similar player if that player has a great season. Explain why he won't pay that. What in his actions make you believe that? Is Lavine that much better than White coming off a great season? Give me one reason to believe AK wouldn't overpay Coby and come out with a near max offer to open free agency.

We're worried right now he's going to do that with Giddey and he has Giddey over a barrel with no competition, lmao! Tell me you don't think he could offer Giddey a contract Day 1.

You all are not factoring in a nearly 20% cap increase. Most of those teams won't have tons of cap space but expect at least 10 teams with serious money. That's a horrible free agent market to shop in, even for your own guy.

Even if Coby maxes at $36 mill, that's still double Gafford's money. I'd take Gafford.

[Dan Z]

Next year a ton of teams have cap space. And if AK keeps him past the deadline, we're making the top offer. I'm being nice, it could be a Bradley Beal contract. It's super, duper, highly unlikely Coby signs an extension and I would 100% keep him if he does. His max would be either $18 or $22 mill, no reason for him to accept that. That's why I would use him to get an asset while we still have control.

Only free agent I think you should pay full price for is a max 1A free agent. Not the Lavine-White level guys. we're not getting good players without giving good players, other teams have their own best interests. We could completely skip center the next three drafts. PG locked up with Giddey and Matas at one forward spot.

Do you all think it would be a good idea to pay Coby $45+mill next year if that's his market value? That's not close to a max contract next year. Even if he plays great individually? Because he's not adding a lot of assists, rebounds, or defense. Understand he's paired with Giddey. Lavine got that years ago with a much smaller cap from the same GM.

Huerter and Ayo split SG until the summer. We re-sign Tre Jones, Ball could play with any guard. All shoot threes well and most defend better than Coby. Our scoring goes down losing Coby and Vucevic, but our defense goes way up. Plus we'd be looking at 1-2 players coming back in any Vucevic trade, who knows what they bring? We still have Collins to trade too. We want Giddey and Matas to get a lot of shots anyway, Coby isn't helping that. He's more of an iso scorer.

NBA contracts are crazy. Jalen Green will make 33, 36 and 36 million the next three years. Is he better than Coby?

I doubt Coby will get 45+ million a year. That's crazy.

Who are the teams that have cap space in a year and you think would be willing to pay him a big contract? Brooklyn might have cap space, but with Cam Thomas why would they be interested in Coby? Anyone else?

Gafford is a solid player, but I wouldn't trade Coby for him. That's just my two cents.

I think you're underrating Cobys scoring ability, but I also don't think he's good enough that the Bulls need to keep him. For the right deal I have no problem with AK trading him.

Currently there are over 25 teams with projected practical cap space of over $100 million in 2026, according to Spotrac. Yes, some of that money will be spent before then but there will be PLENTY of teams with a lot of cap space in 2026. I don't see why people think $40 mill is unlikely for Coby when he gave Lavine 5yrs/$215 mill in 2022. The salary cap was $123.7 mill. The cap for 2026 is projected to be $154.6. That'e equal to about 5yrs/$268 mill then. But there now ay the SAME guy in the SAME situation does the same thing with a very similar player if that player has a great season. Explain why he won't pay that. What in his actions make you believe that? Is Lavine that much better than White coming off a great season?

You all are not factoring in a nearly 20% cap increase. Most of those teams won't have tons of cap space but expect at least 10 teams with serious money. That's a horrible free agent market to shop in, even for your own guy.

Even if Coby maxes at $36 mill, that's still double Gafford's money. I'd take Gafford.

I don't trust AK And disagree with the majority of his decisions. However, didn't he say that he learned from the Patrick Williams extension? Or at least imply that he learned from it?

I don't think teams value a player like Coby as much as you seem to think they do. Yes, he might get a big contract, but I have my doubts that it'll be 40+ million a year. Also, keep in mind that some teams are shedding salary (look at Bostons trade today) and with the apron rules that changes things a bit (although I don't know all the details). A team with cap space might think about their overall future and don't want to get stuck in a situation that might not be good down the road.

I've seen posts by people here who think Giddey will get 30-35 million per year. You think Coby will get more than him?

[Dan Z]

Next year a ton of teams have cap space. And if AK keeps him past the deadline, we're making the top offer. I'm being nice, it could be a Bradley Beal contract. It's super, duper, highly unlikely Coby signs an extension and I would 100% keep him if he does. His max would be either $18 or $22 mill, no reason for him to accept that. That's why I would use him to get an asset while we still have control.

Only free agent I think you should pay full price for is a max 1A free agent. Not the Lavine-White level guys. we're not getting good players without giving good players, other teams have their own best interests. We could completely skip center the next three drafts. PG locked up with Giddey and Matas at one forward spot.

Do you all think it would be a good idea to pay Coby $45+mill next year if that's his market value? That's not close to a max contract next year. Even if he plays great individually? Because he's not adding a lot of assists, rebounds, or defense. Understand he's paired with Giddey. Lavine got that years ago with a much smaller cap from the same GM.

Huerter and Ayo split SG until the summer. We re-sign Tre Jones, Ball could play with any guard. All shoot threes well and most defend better than Coby. Our scoring goes down losing Coby and Vucevic, but our defense goes way up. Plus we'd be looking at 1-2 players coming back in any Vucevic trade, who knows what they bring? We still have Collins to trade too. We want Giddey and Matas to get a lot of shots anyway, Coby isn't helping that. He's more of an iso scorer.

NBA contracts are crazy. Jalen Green will make 33, 36 and 36 million the next three years. Is he better than Coby?

I doubt Coby will get 45+ million a year. That's crazy.

Who are the teams that have cap space in a year and you think would be willing to pay him a big contract? Brooklyn might have cap space, but with Cam Thomas why would they be interested in Coby? Anyone else?

Gafford is a solid player, but I wouldn't trade Coby for him. That's just my two cents.

I think you're underrating Cobys scoring ability, but I also don't think he's good enough that the Bulls need to keep him. For the right deal I have no problem with AK trading him.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/_/year/2026/sort/cap_maximum_space

Currently there are over 25 teams with projected practical cap space of over $100 million in 2026, according to Spotrac. Yes, a lot of that money will be spent before then but there will be PLENTY of teams with a lot of cap space in 2026. I don't see why people think $40 mill is unlikely for Coby when he gave Lavine 5yrs/$215 mill in 2022. The salary cap was $123.7 mill. The cap for 2026 is projected to be $154.6. That'e equal to about 5yrs/$268 mill then. $53 mill AAV. But there's no way the SAME guy in the SAME situation does the same thing with a very similar player if that player has a great season. Explain why he won't pay that. What in his actions make you believe that? Is Lavine that much better than White coming off a great season? Give me one reason to believe AK wouldn't overpay Coby and come out with a near max offer to open free agency.

We're worried right now he's going to do that with Giddey and he has Giddey over a barrel with no competition, lmao! Tell me you don't think he could offer Giddey a contract Day 1.

You all are not factoring in a nearly 20% cap increase. Most of those teams won't have tons of cap space but expect at least 10 teams with serious money. That's a horrible free agent market to shop in, even for your own guy.

Even if Coby maxes at $36 mill, that's still double Gafford's money. I'd take Gafford.

I'm not sure if you already saw this, but the Mavs gave Gafford a contract extension.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45570087/sources-mavericks-extend-gafford-3-year-60m-deal

Looking back it's crazy that the Bulls traded Gafford for Troy Brown Jr.

[Infinity2152]

I don't think Giddey gets more than $25-$30 mill because of the market. I think he EASILY gets $40 mill next summer with another season like last one.

It almost doesn't matter what other teams think of Coby. If AK lets him go to free agency, he has no intention of letting him walk in free agency. That's a complete loss. AK will almost have no choice but to offer Coby a huge offer. The numbers you all use don't approach real contracts. Coby's around the level of a RJ Barrett type player. $40 mill is not a huge contract in 2026. It's what you pay a number 2, number 3 on a lot of contenders. I'll stake whatever you want no 20pt+ scorer that's under 27 will get less than $30 mill in FA in 2026, unless restricted by cap rules. Not one. Will guarantee several get $40+. Some will be guys that aren't better than Coby.

Yeah, we saw the extension, thanks. The extension is what makes it so sweet to me. Locked up for 3 years at Zach Collin's money. I want you all to name the centers you want the Bulls to get, please. I need to know what better players I'm arguing against. Already discussed Jalen Smith, who else? Please no rookies that haven't played a game in the NBA.

[Dan Z]

I don't think Giddey gets more than $25-$30 mill because of the market. I think he EASILY gets $40 mill next summer with another season like last one.

It almost doesn't matter what other teams think of Coby. If AK lets him go to free agency, he has no intention of letting him walk in free agency. That's a complete loss. AK will almost have no choice but to offer Coby a huge offer. The numbers you all use don't approach real contracts. Coby's around the level of a RJ Barrett type player. $40 mill is not a huge contract in 2026. It's what you pay a number 2, number 3 on a lot of contenders. I'll stake whatever you want no 20pt+ scorer that's under 27 will get less than $30 mill in FA in 2026, unless restricted by cap rules. Not one. Will guarantee several get $40+. Some will be guys that aren't better than Coby.

Yeah, we saw the extension, thanks. The extension is what makes it so sweet to me. Locked up for 3 years at Zach Collin's money. I want you all to name the centers you want the Bulls to get, please. I need to know what better players I'm arguing against. Already discussed Jalen Smith, who else? Please no rookies that haven't played a game in the NBA.

The Buls aren't ready to be a real contender so just find the "Next Gafford" in the draft. Late first or 2nd round. Maybe use the Portland pick.

If AK wants to trade Coby for contract reasons then that's fine. Maybe for picks and one pick can be for a center. I'm not sure.

I'm not against Gafford, but wouldn't trade Coby straight up for him.

[sco]

IMO we'd never trade for Gafford. AK is NOT going to admit he made a mistake trading Gafford away...have you seen AK? He's is 100% the guy who is saying "I don't care how good he is...I do not want to field questions about why I traded him away!". Not gonna do it!

[kodo]

A little surprised AK didn't trade Coby + filler for Jrue. Anfernee Simons & a couple of seconds is an incredibly low price considering Boston traded Brogdon, Timelord, and two 1st rounders.

[sco]

A little surprised AK didn't trade Coby + filler for Jrue. Anfernee Simons & a couple of seconds is an incredibly low price considering Boston traded Brogdon, Timelord, and two 1st rounders.

If the rumored ORL offer for Coby is right, he's not trading Coby this offseason, period.

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A little surprised AK didn't trade Coby + filler for Jrue. Anfernee Simons & a couple of seconds is an incredibly low price considering Boston traded Brogdon, Timelord, and two 1st rounders.

If the rumored ORL offer for Coby is right, he's not trading Coby this offseason, period.

This makes our portland pick more valuable, correct? It was close to conveying already.
And if we get it, Portland can't exercise their pick swap with Milwaukee.

[Guru]

A little surprised AK didn't trade Coby + filler for Jrue. Anfernee Simons & a couple of seconds is an incredibly low price considering Boston traded Brogdon, Timelord, and two 1st rounders.

If the rumored ORL offer for Coby is right, he's not trading Coby this offseason, period.

This makes our portland pick more valuable, correct? It was close to conveying already.
And if we get it, Portland can't exercise their pick swap with Milwaukee.

Was thinking the same thing. We are getting that Portland pick next year.

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A little surprised AK didn't trade Coby + filler for Jrue. Anfernee Simons & a couple of seconds is an incredibly low price considering Boston traded Brogdon, Timelord, and two 1st rounders.

Holiday was two years younger then. Probably a big impact from 33 to 35. Was just talking about young players who could potentially take a leap, like RJ Barrett. Simons is 9 years younger and a WAAAAY better long term asset than Brogdon or Williams. This could turn out to be a phenomenal move by the Celtics. As good as Coby, but still has a higher ceiling imo. His career 3pt% is actually higher too.

And I still haven't heard a reason why paying Coby next season would be smarter than trading for Gafford, given Coby's payday is upcoming. Practically the same age, is it people's opinion that Coby is a better starting SG next to Giddey than Gafford would be at center? I'd like to know any metric besides shooting Coby is better than Gafford at.

Let's be real:
Coby White: average size, short arms, not athletic, 37% 3pt shooter, not great at attacking the rim, not good at defense, average at passing/rebounding
Best TS% of career, last year at 60. Averaged 20 pts in 33 minutes as the first option a ton of games.

Daniel Gafford: 6'10, 234, 7'2" wingspan, one of the league's best shot blockers, one of the league's best rim runners, great defender. Averaged 12pts last year on 72%TS in 22 minutes.

You're not even getting better scoring with Coby, or at a much higher rate. Coby played 36 mins the year before to average 19pts. Gafford got close to the same amount of scoring per minute, with way less usage and far more efficiently.

NOW add in man defense, post defense, shot blocking and rebounds.

Now tell me keeping Coby and paying him at least double is worth more than having Gafford. Again, I'm not seeing any alternative center suggestions. Please respond with a non-draft option (trade/FA).

[2weekswithpay]

Simons will likely get let go after this season or traded at the deadline. He's one of the worst defenders in the league and doesn't bring that much to the table offensively to offset this.

This is just a salary dump for the Celtics.