Options for This Offseason

[superunknown]

If i were GM, I trade anybody when it is the right move for the team.

you still wrong then.
you should've traded klay 1-2 years before he was and green straight after the 2022 championship and probably now you have a championship team built around steph.

[floppymoose]

I was for trading Klay two years earlier.

You can disagree with my plan, but saying im wrong because i didnt do it earlier is invalid. I’m not talking about earlier. If i were it would be a different plan.

[whatisacenter]

If i were GM, I trade anybody when it is the right move for the team.

you still wrong then.
you should've traded klay 1-2 years before he was and green straight after the 2022 championship and probably now you have a championship team built around steph.

I can see the logic to trading everyone, including Curry, but I wanted the team to move Klay and let Draymond walk after they had a chance to defend their last title in 2023.

They could be two years into building a new roster around Steph with a more athletic and more dynamic team.

[floppymoose]

The recent Durant trade was what should have been done with Steph. HOU was such a natural trade partner for a team with an aging HoFer. And Steph would have fit them even better than KD.

Had they done that instead of adding JB, they would have Jalen Green and Kuminga to lead the tank, the number 10 pick from the trade, and their own pick which would have been around 15.

That sounds terrible. Why would we do that unless Steph demands it? You want to get an early start to the tank with the incentive being the #10 and our own late lottery pick? I have no interest in watching bad basketball and we'll all have to soon enough. Is it not soon enough?

How many wins are expecting next season if we keep the vets?

[CS707]

I’m not trading Steph unless heck requested it but for the sake of offseason banter, San Antonio is the one to do a deal with. They have a legitimately good pick this year and if I was to place a bet on which young superstar might miss a season, it’s VW. Plus it cockblocks the rest of the West. Houston is a non starter though.

[vvoland]

The recent Durant trade was what should have been done with Steph. HOU was such a natural trade partner for a team with an aging HoFer. And Steph would have fit them even better than KD.

Had they done that instead of adding JB, they would have Jalen Green and Kuminga to lead the tank, the number 10 pick from the trade, and their own pick which would have been around 15.

That sounds terrible. Why would we do that unless Steph demands it? You want to get an early start to the tank with the incentive being the #10 and our own late lottery pick? I have no interest in watching bad basketball and we'll all have to soon enough. Is it not soon enough?

How many wins are expecting next season if we keep the vets?

Personally? I think we'll get somewhere between 46 and 50 wins. Similar place to where we've been the last 5 years. It may not be the rarified air of our 65+ win seasons but I'd rather go to the playoffs with an outside shot at making the finals than start the tank a year or two early, especially if Steph is still capable. Lots of folks thought last season was it. Then we got Jimmy and Steph looked like prime steph, again. Well, maybe not prime but not too far away. With that Curry on my roster, I'll sell my own soul to compete. I definitely won't start the rebuild early. If tempted to do so, the #10 and my own late lotto pick is nowhere near enough incentive.

If Steph didn't mind getting traded to a random team, sure, I'd be tempted by the #2 this year, future 1sts from PHX via SAS, and one more good FRPs. So yes, if I can get 4 or 5 prime FRPs, and Steph doesn't care to stay in the bay but isn't demanding a trade to a shortlist of teams and I have free reign to send him to Utah/Atl/Mil, I would consider an early jump on the tank.

Those are impossible scenarios. Either you trade Steph without telling him and risk ruining the franchise's reputation with stars for the next decade or he asks out and you have 3 or 4 teams he wants to go do. Either way, it seems rather unlikely you can get the ultimate draft package in that scenario. Realistically, I think our best deal would be something like the 4 back-half-of-the-1st-round picks that Memphis got for Bane. I just don't see that being all that helpful in a rebuild.

How many wins do you think this team gets next season and what's your realistic scenario for trading Steph? No involvement from him and we just shop him for the best offer like a discount hooker on thirsty thursdays? Or we let him pick his short-list and are handcuffed it? Not being facetious, just asking for what you think that alternate reality looks like.

[floppymoose]

I see very little chance of hitting 46 wins.

I've already described the alternate reality: GSW stinks short term, but has a shot at being a serious team again before the end of the decade.

Current team is a treadmill team that will be struggling to make the play-in and going nowhere.

[DonaldSanders]

I see very little chance of hitting 46 wins.

Why would that be when we were 26-8 after the Jimmy trade? I see no reason why we can't win 50 games. I don't think we have a real chance at a chip, but we can win 50.

I get that the core is a year older, but I think they showed enough to be good for regular season success. I' guessing that you're expecting a dramatic decline for the core next year?

[EvanZ]

If they didn't trade Steph last summer (when I proposed it), they're not doing it this summer.

[xdrta+]

Of course they're not trading Steph, and I doubt the floppy thinks they would. He's just putting out his ideal for the team, which is not a bad one. But not only would trading Steph alienate most of the Bay Area, he's the meal ticket that sells tickets, promotes the team, and generally makes everyone feel good about the Warriors. He'd have to beg them for them to trade him.

[floppymoose]

I see very little chance of hitting 46 wins.

Why would that be when we were 26-8 after the Jimmy trade? I see no reason why we can't win 50 games.

I understand this is what a lot of people see. Steph or Jimmy, probably both, are going to miss a big chunk of the year. Both will be worse. Its all fools gold, but if you are sports bettor its a money making chance. Vegas had the line too low last year and next year it will be too high.

[DonaldSanders]

I see very little chance of hitting 46 wins.

Why would that be when we were 26-8 after the Jimmy trade? I see no reason why we can't win 50 games.

I understand this is what a lot of people see. Steph or Jimmy, probably both, are going to miss a big chunk of the year. Both will be worse. Its all fools gold, but if you are sports bettor its a money making chance. Vegas had the line too low last year and next year it will be too high.

OK, injuries for the elderly I get that. I just have it more like a 25% chance and obviously you have it being an extremely likely situation. I think if we get 125 games between Steph and Jimmy (which is about the 2 combined have been averaging) we'll be fine.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Why would that be when we were 26-8 after the Jimmy trade? I see no reason why we can't win 50 games.

I understand this is what a lot of people see. Steph or Jimmy, probably both, are going to miss a big chunk of the year. Both will be worse. Its all fools gold, but if you are sports bettor its a money making chance. Vegas had the line too low last year and next year it will be too high.

OK, injuries for the elderly I get that. I just have it more like a 25% chance and obviously you have it being an extremely likely situation. I think if we get 125 games between Steph and Jimmy (which is about the 2 combined have been averaging) we'll be fine.

Also had one of the easiest schedules after the Jimmy trade.

So, alot will have to go right to replicate that end of season success last year.

[vvoland]

I see very little chance of hitting 46 wins.

I've already described the alternate reality: GSW stinks short term, but has a shot at being a serious team again before the end of the decade.

Current team is a treadmill team that will be struggling to make the play-in and going nowhere.

What do you consider the chances of Jimmy and Steph playing a combined 130 games ? How about 120? 100? I would put the chances at a 30+ game injury at ~20%. Sure, they're older and more brittle but both Jimmy and Steph play a less physical style than they used to.

Let's pretend they both play 50 due to 20 games missed to injury and another 10 to load management. If they go 30/20 in those 50, they only need to go 16/16 in the remaining 32 games to get to 46. Considering how this team played after the Jimmy trade, 50 wins doesn't seem ridiculous if they both are able to play 50+.

Outside of the season he broke his arm, Steph hasn't played less than 50 games since his ankle issues. Jimmy has never played fewer than 50, including 55 last season, despite the age and suspensions.

If they do suffer injuries, the tank will be on in full force, considering how little we have behind Steph and Jimmy. If they're healthy, they'll be far from a treadmill and if they're hurt, or just one is out for the year, you'll get what you want.

And yes, you've said why you want to trade Curry but considering he's never given an indication at anything but the opposite, how would you do it? Would you have traded klay and dray after we failed to defend the title in '23, thus forcing Steph to ask out? Or in '19 after Steph broke his arm? Last summer?

I'm genuinely curious what the realistic scenario looks like where we move Steph after he spent his entire career talking about wanting to be a one team superstar. Even if I agreed with you that it would be the smart thing to do, I can't come up with a reasonable scenario where this could have happened. If I can convince him it's better to leave (to win or get paid or go "home" to cha) without alienating him, would he just allow me to shop him around like an old Corolla? If not, how good is the offer I'm getting? If I'm only getting some late first rounders, is that really what is going to shorten the tank?

I mean, Steph is so good he might be able to play the Seth Curry role on for next championship core. In order to do that, we have to be smart enough to draft Thompson at 11, and not Moses moody over trey murphy. It's the talent identification that's hard and I'm all for having multiple darts. Just not at this price for these darts.

I'm really genuinely curious as you're one of the few blow it up voters and so I thought I'd ask. Blow it up sounds impossible, even more so than trading for Giannis unless management really doesn't care about trading Steph against his will. How would it work otherwise?

[whatisacenter]

I understand this is what a lot of people see. Steph or Jimmy, probably both, are going to miss a big chunk of the year. Both will be worse. Its all fools gold, but if you are sports bettor its a money making chance. Vegas had the line too low last year and next year it will be too high.

OK, injuries for the elderly I get that. I just have it more like a 25% chance and obviously you have it being an extremely likely situation. I think if we get 125 games between Steph and Jimmy (which is about the 2 combined have been averaging) we'll be fine.

Also had one of the easiest schedules after the Jimmy trade.

So, alot will have to go right to replicate that end of season success last year.

Yeah, Jimmy came to the Dubs at the best possible part of the season.

I don't see how this roster can score enough to be a top 4 team in the West.

[vvoland]

OK, injuries for the elderly I get that. I just have it more like a 25% chance and obviously you have it being an extremely likely situation. I think if we get 125 games between Steph and Jimmy (which is about the 2 combined have been averaging) we'll be fine.

Also had one of the easiest schedules after the Jimmy trade.

So, alot will have to go right to replicate that end of season success last year.

Yeah, Jimmy came to the Dubs at the best possible part of the season.

I don't see how this roster can score enough to be a top 4 team in the West.

Yes, but 26-8 is like a 60+ win pace and that "part " of the season was 7 games away from being "half" the season. In fact, 26-8 was with Steph and Jimmy both missing games, and missing or struggling JK.

They have an off-season to game plan, fill out the roster, get healthy, and build out around the core. The have real clarity and direction with enough assets to add another real piece.

I don't know if they'll make the right moves but we should have a top 5 defense as long as dray and Jimmy are here. With with a healthy Steph, we should be able to score enough.
Not sure about a top 4 seed, the West is a nightmare. Outside of OKC, I'm not sure who else I'd bet on over a healthy warriors team. Maybe Cleveland but they're openly shopping Garland and that doesn't typically end well

[DonaldSanders]

Also had one of the easiest schedules after the Jimmy trade.

So, alot will have to go right to replicate that end of season success last year.

Agreed, I factored the schedule in my assessment, otherwise we'd be on a 60 win pace.

[floppymoose]

I see very little chance of hitting 46 wins.

I've already described the alternate reality: GSW stinks short term, but has a shot at being a serious team again before the end of the decade.

Current team is a treadmill team that will be struggling to make the play-in and going nowhere.

What do you consider the chances of Jimmy [...]

I’d rather just wait until next season is over and revisit here. I’ve made my prediction: < 46. You can tell me how wrong i was if they do better.

[vvoland]

I see very little chance of hitting 46 wins.

I've already described the alternate reality: GSW stinks short term, but has a shot at being a serious team again before the end of the decade.

Current team is a treadmill team that will be struggling to make the play-in and going nowhere.

What do you consider the chances of Jimmy [...]

I’d rather just wait until next season is over and revisit here. I’ve made my prediction: < 46. You can tell me how wrong i was if they do better.

I'm not interested in telling someone how wrong they are. I'm much more interested in how you see the alternate reality of trading the franchise's greatest star when he doesn't want to go. It's like me saying I want to trade for jokic without explaining how that could possibly happen. From your posts, I have to infer that you would shop him like we did with d'angelo, until you got an offer you wanted.

I assume in order to feel that way you must think there's a near 100% chance Steph or Jimmy get hurt. Since you refuse to engage further, we'll leave it at that

[AirP.]

Like they mentioned during the season, this summer is going to be active. Wonder if GS has anything in the works because 1/4 of the league has made moves already.

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