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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#681 » by GelbeWand09 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 6:42 am

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thelead wrote:Don't be conflicted. Be pissed. What a stupid trade for Portland. Jrue is owed A TON of money for 3 washed seasons.

Certainly, the magic could have made a better offer?

I'm kinda pissed as a magic fan and I wasn't all-in on Simons either.


I wouldn't be pissed at the Magic. I would be pissed at the league for allowing this bull. This is obviously an inside job, they pretty much gave him away, this wasn't a trade. It makes absolutely no sense for Portland, like there is not one upside.

I'd rather have Simons (and 2 2nds) for KCP and Cole instead of Bane for KCP, Cole, 16th pick. PHX 26 pick, 28 unprotected 1st, 29 1st swap, and 30 unprotected 1st. Yeah, I said it.

We always have to vastly overpay for everything.


I don't like our overpay for Bane but Simons would have been a 99% failure here and traded soon again. Pretty sure everytime Jrue is on the court and not injured he is still a more impactful player than Simons.
Simons is a glorified Fournier. His defense is so bad that it doesn't matter what he does on offense. Fournier at least was efficient.
Guy is probably not even the best short no defense guard on Boston's roster next season. I take Pritchard over him every day.
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#682 » by basketballRob » Tue Jun 24, 2025 6:44 am

GelbeWand09 wrote:
thelead wrote:
fateis007 wrote:
I wouldn't be pissed at the Magic. I would be pissed at the league for allowing this bull. This is obviously an inside job, they pretty much gave him away, this wasn't a trade. It makes absolutely no sense for Portland, like there is not one upside.

I'd rather have Simons (and 2 2nds) for KCP and Cole instead of Bane for KCP, Cole, 16th pick. PHX 26 pick, 28 unprotected 1st, 29 1st swap, and 30 unprotected 1st. Yeah, I said it.

We always have to vastly overpay for everything.


I don't like our overpay for Bane but Simons would have been a 99% failure here and traded soon again. Pretty sure everytime Jrue is on the court and not injured he is still a more impactful player than Simons.
Simons is a glorified Fournier. His defense is so bad that it doesn't matter what he does on offense. Fournier at least was efficient.
Simons is more efficient than Fournier.

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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#683 » by GelbeWand09 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 6:56 am

basketballRob wrote:
GelbeWand09 wrote:
thelead wrote:I'd rather have Simons (and 2 2nds) for KCP and Cole instead of Bane for KCP, Cole, 16th pick. PHX 26 pick, 28 unprotected 1st, 29 1st swap, and 30 unprotected 1st. Yeah, I said it.

We always have to vastly overpay for everything.


I don't like our overpay for Bane but Simons would have been a 99% failure here and traded soon again. Pretty sure everytime Jrue is on the court and not injured he is still a more impactful player than Simons.
Simons is a glorified Fournier. His defense is so bad that it doesn't matter what he does on offense. Fournier at least was efficient.
Simons is more efficient than Fournier.

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Fournier had 60%TS the last 2 and a half seasons here. He was more efficient than Simons.
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Post#684 » by pepe1991 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 6:58 am

Gafford off the table.
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Post#685 » by Anti Chalmers » Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:06 am

We surely could’ve had Simons for a few 2nds?
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Post#686 » by GelbeWand09 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:08 am

pepe1991 wrote:Gafford off the table.


Poor Skybox :lol:
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Post#687 » by GelbeWand09 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:11 am

Anti Chalmers wrote:We surely could’ve had Simons for a few 2nds?


No, they got 2 seconds + Simons for Jrue. But Jrue was still viewed as a positive asset unlike KCP. We probably had to add a first like in most mock trades.
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Post#688 » by pepe1991 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:12 am

GelbeWand09 wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Gafford off the table.


Poor Skybox :lol:


It was good idea. But never probably realistic one, especially now with no picks to move.
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Post#689 » by pepe1991 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:14 am

GelbeWand09 wrote:
Anti Chalmers wrote:We surely could’ve had Simons for a few 2nds?


No, they got 2 seconds + Simons for Jrue. But Jrue was still viewed as a positive asset unlike KCP. We probably had to add a first like in most mock trades.


His contract is flat out horrific.

Paying 38 years old guard $37M is crazy. Like, he can't even stay healthy at age of 34-35. Hell, he talked about retirement at 32 :lol:

Blazers are crazy for taking it. Maybe they now trade him back to Bucks for Lillard to close circle :lol: :lol:
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#690 » by GelbeWand09 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:22 am

pepe1991 wrote:
GelbeWand09 wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Gafford off the table.


Poor Skybox :lol:


It was good idea. But never probably realistic one, especially now with no picks to move.


We definitely need a athletic, vertical spacing, Lob threat big.
It's really amazing. We have 4 Bigs paid good money with good strength but all have big weaknesses that they are not good as starters or bad fit next to Paolo or only playable together. Isaac can't play 20min, cant play C long time and is horrible on offense. Goga is a bad fit with Paolo because he can only play drop. WCJ is very good at switching but got dominated by athletic Bigs and offers no rim protection together with Paolo. Mo is one of the most talented offensive Centers but top 5 worst defender for his position. All 4 are bad jump athletes. :lol:
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Post#691 » by drsd » Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:27 am

fateis007 wrote:I would be pissed at the league for allowing this bull. .... It makes absolutely no sense for Portland, like there is not one upside.


The Blazers was a good team the second half of last year; a low-end playoff team in quality.

Shaedon Sharpe, Deni Avdija, and Deandre Ayton are good players. Portland does not lack assets.

Scoot Henderson will learn from Jrue Holiday. Assuming Portland is trying to get better, and noting that it is virtually certain Holiday will accept his 2027/28 player's option, Portland traded Simons on a one-year deal for an NBA Champion and leader on a three year deal.

Was there a better deal to be had? Who knows. But this is not horrible for Portland. Simons was not going too be in Portland for 2025/26. That much was clear.



thelead wrote:Certainly, the magic could have made a better offer?


Did they want to given what happened?

thelead wrote:I'd rather have Simons (and 2 2nds) for KCP and Cole instead of Bane for KCP, Cole, 16th pick. PHX 26 pick, 28 unprotected 1st, 29 1st swap, and 30 unprotected 1st. Yeah, I said it.

We always have to vastly overpay for everything.


Simons on a one year deal is a win-now move for a single season. Bane on a four year deal means the Magic built something for a sustained run. I get it.
And: Bane is better than Simons.
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Post#692 » by thelead » Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:29 am

GelbeWand09 wrote:
thelead wrote:
fateis007 wrote:
I wouldn't be pissed at the Magic. I would be pissed at the league for allowing this bull. This is obviously an inside job, they pretty much gave him away, this wasn't a trade. It makes absolutely no sense for Portland, like there is not one upside.

I'd rather have Simons (and 2 2nds) for KCP and Cole instead of Bane for KCP, Cole, 16th pick. PHX 26 pick, 28 unprotected 1st, 29 1st swap, and 30 unprotected 1st. Yeah, I said it.

We always have to vastly overpay for everything.


I don't like our overpay for Bane but Simons would have been a 99% failure here and traded soon again. Pretty sure everytime Jrue is on the court and not injured he is still a more impactful player than Simons.
Simons is a glorified Fournier. His defense is so bad that it doesn't matter what he does on offense. Fournier at least was efficient.
Guy is probably not even the best short no defense guard on Boston's roster next season. I take Pritchard over him every day.

That wasn’t the point… Simons and 2 2nds + all of our picks and PHX’s pick is more valuable than Bane IMO.

But it doesn’t matter anyway.
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Post#693 » by GelbeWand09 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:30 am

BTW another reason why not using 2nd round picks is a bad idea. When you can find one thing almost regularly at the end of the 1st and 2nd round over the last 10-15 years, than it is athletic centers.
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Post#694 » by GelbeWand09 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:39 am

thelead wrote:
GelbeWand09 wrote:
thelead wrote:I'd rather have Simons (and 2 2nds) for KCP and Cole instead of Bane for KCP, Cole, 16th pick. PHX 26 pick, 28 unprotected 1st, 29 1st swap, and 30 unprotected 1st. Yeah, I said it.

We always have to vastly overpay for everything.


I don't like our overpay for Bane but Simons would have been a 99% failure here and traded soon again. Pretty sure everytime Jrue is on the court and not injured he is still a more impactful player than Simons.
Simons is a glorified Fournier. His defense is so bad that it doesn't matter what he does on offense. Fournier at least was efficient.
Guy is probably not even the best short no defense guard on Boston's roster next season. I take Pritchard over him every day.

That wasn’t the point… Simons and 2 2nds + all of our picks and PHX’s pick is more valuable than Bane IMO.

But it doesn’t matter anyway.


If we trade KCP we don't get 2 2nd and we have to pay a 1st because KCP is a negative asset and Jrue was still wanted.
But in any case, Simons would have been the significantly lower-risk option. That Bane trade scares the **** out of me too but Banes is the muuuuch better player on the other side.
The good thing is we still can easily retool, because we have 4 wanted players we can trade for other good players or draft picks again if it doesn't work out.
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Post#695 » by cedric76 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 8:22 am

drsd wrote:
fateis007 wrote:I would be pissed at the league for allowing this bull. .... It makes absolutely no sense for Portland, like there is not one upside.


The Blazers was a good team the second half of last year; a low-end playoff team in quality.

Shaedon Sharpe, Deni Avdija, and Deandre Ayton are good players. Portland does not lack assets.

Scoot Henderson will learn from Jrue Holiday. Assuming Portland is trying to get better, and noting that it is virtually certain Holiday will accept his 2027/28 player's option, Portland traded Simons on a one-year deal for an NBA Champion and leader on a three year deal.

Was there a better deal to be had? Who knows. But this is not horrible for Portland. Simons was not going too be in Portland for 2025/26. That much was clear.



thelead wrote:Certainly, the magic could have made a better offer?


Did they want to given what happened?

thelead wrote:I'd rather have Simons (and 2 2nds) for KCP and Cole instead of Bane for KCP, Cole, 16th pick. PHX 26 pick, 28 unprotected 1st, 29 1st swap, and 30 unprotected 1st. Yeah, I said it.

We always have to vastly overpay for everything.


Simons on a one year deal is a win-now move for a single season. Bane on a four year deal means the Magic built something for a sustained run. I get it.
And: Bane is better than Simons.


Exactly, Jrue will be a great mentor for their young guys (+ pick 11), Portland are ready for the next step
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Post#696 » by Max Power » Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:13 am

I love how everyone’s up in arms about not getting Simons. Whether it was a doable trade or not you’re overlooking a clear fact. The Magic never wanted him. That was the worst two years of fan trade fodder. They were never going to get him, and Bane was clearly the guy they wanted from the start.
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Post#697 » by jezzerinho » Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:16 am

Max Power wrote:I love how everyone’s up in arms about not getting Simons. Whether it was a doable trade or not you’re overlooking a clear fact. The Magic never wanted him. That was the worst two years of fan trade fodder. They were never going to get him, and Bane was clearly the guy they wanted from the start.


He was never going to be a Magic player. Fans just wanted the Local Hero story too much to see that he didn't fit.
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Post#698 » by Redick07 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:29 am

It seems like Kings put Malik Monk on the trading block and they want 2025 FRP for returning.
A trade like Isaac, Jett and #25 for Monk will improve our bench shooting. Monk is better than Walter Clayton for now.
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Post#699 » by Skybox » Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:00 am

GelbeWand09 wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Gafford off the table.


Poor Skybox :lol:


Poor Mose
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Post#700 » by pepe1991 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:02 am

Skybox wrote:
GelbeWand09 wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Gafford off the table.


Poor Skybox :lol:


Poor Mose


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