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Re: 2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (Wow this is fun!) 

Post#1461 » by hugepatsfan » Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:39 pm

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And this is why it’s more likely than not he never plays a game here.


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That's the max amount he's eligible for, he can sign for less. In this new draconian CBA, I can't see that being his market on his next deal. I think he's in the class of players we'll see some market correction on in the next few years. It's going to be a bitter pill to swallow, but I expect his next deal to be less than his current one, not a max eligible extension like that.
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Post#1462 » by celtxman » Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:39 pm

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KOC and I are on similar pages here.

Same for me. Those are basically the options, Hauser for no $ and a pick still doesn’t get you under the 2nd. You’d still need KP to bring back less or move someone else too. Will get very interesting.

Yes Simons may never play for the Celtics. I could see this going either way with him staying or going. My instinct is to like the trade because it has started the process of the designed plan. There is more to come.
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Post#1463 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:41 pm

This Holiday trade takes the Celtics out of the 2nd apron for 2026/2027 and gives the Celtics a ton of flexibility. Homerun!

Now let’s see if Stevens can get below the 2nd apron for 2025/2026.
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Post#1464 » by Fierce1 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:44 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:This Holiday trade takes the Celtics out of the 2nd apron for 2026/2027 and gives the Celtics a ton of flexibility. Homerun!

Now let’s see if Stevens can get below the 2nd apron for 2025/2026.

Brad didn't settle for Okogie for Jrue, so you bet Brad's getting below the 2nd apron in 2026.
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Post#1465 » by 165bows » Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:45 pm

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That's the max amount he's eligible for, he can sign for less. In this new draconian CBA, I can't see that being his market on his next deal. I think he's in the class of players we'll see some market correction on in the next few years. It's going to be a bitter pill to swallow, but I expect his next deal to be less than his current one, not a max eligible extension like that.

The small, offense only shooting guard that's not a great play maker or above average efficiency scorer is the most over rated player in the NBA.

I do think there's a shot he looks really good for a few months though.

What's the end date of his extension eligibility? I wonder if they play him here and then get him to a team that will pay him 3/60 or whatever the going rate is.
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Post#1466 » by hugepatsfan » Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:47 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:This Holiday trade takes the Celtics out of the 2nd apron for 2026/2027 and gives the Celtics a ton of flexibility. Homerun!

Now let’s see if Stevens can get below the 2nd apron for 2025/2026.


They never were in the 2nd apron for 26-27 even with Jrue. They were barely over the tax line.
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Post#1467 » by SparringPartner » Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:48 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:Terrible deal. Doesn't save any money, makes the team on the floor worse.


Jrue is 35 / Simmons is 26
Not including luxury tax this saves $77M
Plus we got picks :lol:

If they keep him and he shows promise (he’s always played for bad teams), move him for assets or sign him for 3 years $75M. Dude can get buckets.
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Post#1468 » by hugepatsfan » Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:48 pm

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That's the max amount he's eligible for, he can sign for less. In this new draconian CBA, I can't see that being his market on his next deal. I think he's in the class of players we'll see some market correction on in the next few years. It's going to be a bitter pill to swallow, but I expect his next deal to be less than his current one, not a max eligible extension like that.

The small, offense only shooting guard that's not a great play maker or above average efficiency scorer is the most over rated player in the NBA.

I do think there's a shot he looks really good for a few months though.

What's the end date of his extension eligibility? I wonder if they play him here and then get him to a team that will pay him 3/60 or whatever the going rate is.


I'd be surprised if he extends here or anywhere because I do think he'll be in line for that kind of pay cut and there's a stubbornness/pride factor about extending early for less than you're eligible for like that.
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Post#1469 » by The Corey's » Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:49 pm

I rather the Celtics reset their tax punishments completely, not just get under the second apron.

They're not winning the title this year and have a perfectly fine built in excuse to reset the entire process.
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Post#1470 » by SparringPartner » Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:51 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:That's the max amount he's eligible for, he can sign for less. In this new draconian CBA, I can't see that being his market on his next deal. I think he's in the class of players we'll see some market correction on in the next few years. It's going to be a bitter pill to swallow, but I expect his next deal to be less than his current one, not a max eligible extension like that.


Others were saying 3 years $125M
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Post#1471 » by GrandTheftRondo » Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:52 pm

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Froob wrote:would not be surprised if we feature him first half of the year to pump some stats and trade him at deadline, if they don’t see him as a real core piece but he should have value

I lean that way as well. A hot shooting half season and good scoring numbers and turn him into a late first kind of value would be a home run for this team.

And for the player, he's on an expiring and playing for his next deal. He'll be incentivized to be at his best and the team can use his scoring until Tatum returns.

I've long been down on him but given the circumstances there is an opportunity for a win-win which Brad loves. Can't discount that he is always looking at the player side of these things as well.

Yeah Brad in his tenure has seemed to love getting value out of players others maybe thought were useless pieces and using them for his true targets.

It’s what he did with White.

Simons could have a nice season here and attract some team looking to throw a valuable pick or two for him I think.
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Post#1472 » by SparringPartner » Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:54 pm

The Corey's wrote:I rather the Celtics reset their tax punishments completely, not just get under the second apron.

They're not winning the title this year and have a perfectly fine built in excuse to reset the entire process.


Finally someone who sees the big picture :nod:

Unless you’re being sarcastic :noway:
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Post#1473 » by Curmudgeon » Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:55 pm

I just hope they move Simmons to a third team on draft night.
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Post#1474 » by Hal14 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:55 pm

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That's the max amount he's eligible for, he can sign for less. In this new draconian CBA, I can't see that being his market on his next deal. I think he's in the class of players we'll see some market correction on in the next few years. It's going to be a bitter pill to swallow, but I expect his next deal to be less than his current one, not a max eligible extension like that.

I don't know if he'll get quite that amount..but at his age, talent level and with the numbers he's put up, and mo major injury history, I figure someone will sign him for somewhere between $20-$30 mil a year for 3 years. I know that's a big range, but oh well lol.
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Post#1475 » by fallguy » Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:59 pm

Hollinger:

Let’s start with Boston, though, because this was another tremendous swap by a front office that has won nearly every trade for the last half decade.

The most amazing thing about this trade is that the Celtics got off the final two years of Holiday’s deal while receiving draft picks instead of sending them out. The three years and $104.4 million left on Holiday’s deal projected to be deeply underwater value-wise; I wondered whether the Celtics would have to give up two firsts to move off his money or whether they could get away with one.

While Holiday is still a plus defender and an A-plus in the locker room, my BORD$ formula valued him at $19 million for the coming season – nearly identical to how it rated Simons – and he’s making nearly double that. Presumably, his age-36 and age-37 seasons in the two years after would project worse, but Holiday's salary rises in those years.

Setting aside what Simons can do on the court, the sheer value of dropping the final two years of that contract for Boston is massive. Simons, however, is a real basketball player who is on an expiring contract that pays him $27.7 million this coming season.

Boston could theoretically extend Simons’ deal, but that would only make sense if the Celtics were moving another big contract this summer. Otherwise, the next move for the Celtics might be to keep whittling down their cap number in a series of subsequent trades. Imagine, for instance, Boston flipping Simons to Sacramento for Malik Monk and Devin Carter, then flipping Monk to Dallas for P.J. Washington, then flipping Washington into a team’s nontaxpayer midlevel exception for a draft pick.

I’m not saying any of those trades are likely or even being discussed, but I am giving you an example of how the Celtics can stairstep down from Simons’ $27.7 million, to a combined $23.7 million for Monk and Carter, to $14.1 million for Washington and $4.9 million for Carter, to just holding Carter’s rookie contract for $4.9 million and being under the second apron. There are infinite pathways to doing something like this; also, it’s possible the last step can be done in-season.

One way or another, however, the Celtics are nowhere close to done, because the incentives for them to reduce their luxury-tax penalty (including a punitive repeater tax) and unfreeze their 2032 draft pick (by staying below the second apron three times in the next four years) are overwhelming in a “gap year” where Jayson Tatum will miss the season recovering from a torn Achilles.
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Post#1476 » by GoCeltics123 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:00 pm

Where do you guys think KP ends up?
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Post#1477 » by Fierce1 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:00 pm

SparringPartner wrote:
The Corey's wrote:I rather the Celtics reset their tax punishments completely, not just get under the second apron.

They're not winning the title this year and have a perfectly fine built in excuse to reset the entire process.


Finally someone who sees the big picture :nod:

Unless you’re being sarcastic :noway:

I remember Celtic fans being heart broken after they lost Game 7 of the ECF to Lebron in 2018.

If the Celtics are in the playoffs next year, I'm sure Celtic fans will be hoping the Cs make the finals.

So don't be surprised if Brad makes moves that will put the Cs in a good position to compete and win.
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Post#1478 » by The Corey's » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:01 pm

SparringPartner wrote:
The Corey's wrote:I rather the Celtics reset their tax punishments completely, not just get under the second apron.

They're not winning the title this year and have a perfectly fine built in excuse to reset the entire process.


Finally someone who sees the big picture :nod:

Unless you’re being sarcastic :noway:


I'm not. I've said from the jump that it's best to jump start this rebuild and get under the cap. Before Tatum injury I was against that but after the injury it's the only way forward.

It doesn't do us any good to stay above the tax lines while fielding a team that probably doesn't even get out of the first round.
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Post#1479 » by GrandTheftRondo » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:03 pm

I just hope if we move KP that Brad has some sort of long term plan regarding a big man.

I’d argue that us losing Horford in 2019 to Philly cost us a genuine title shot in 2020. I still have some nightmares of Adebayo destroying Theis in the bubble.

Horford may well have played his last game or if he does hang around cannot be relied upon to play heavy minutes in 2026-2027 (if he even makes it that far).

Horford’s importance to this team has been enormous. Obviously there’s no replacing him but Brad simply has to find someone capable of doing some of the things he does.

Rolling out White, Brown and Tatum with some makeshift big man will keep us out of championship contention.

I worry because the bigs out there don’t really scream good fit.
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Post#1480 » by Fierce1 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:05 pm

It doesn't have to be either.

Celts can trim the cap at the same remain a contender.

I don't understand why some keep saying JT is out next season.

If the Cs are a playoff team by March, JT will return.

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