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Does Haliburton Injury move us past the Pacers next year?

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Re: Does Haliburton Injury move us pass the Pacers next year? 

Post#21 » by dice » Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:46 am

Bulliever2020 wrote:Nope, they are a solid playoff team even without Hali.

We are an eternal playin team.

play-in seems highly optimistic given opening east odds:

2.7:1 cavs
3:1 knicks
4.3:1 magic
4.6:1 celtics

12:1 sixers
16:1 pacers/pistons
24:1 bucks

50:1 heat
70:1 raps
80:1 hawks

that's 11 teams. then the sucker bets:

500:1 bulls/hornets/wiz/nets

500:1 in stated odds means at least 600:1 in reality and probably significantly more. i'd wager (no pun, intended) that the sportsbooks have a high profit margin on these super-longshot bets
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Re: Does Haliburton Injury move us pass the Pacers next year? 

Post#22 » by Bulliever2020 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:06 am

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Bulliever2020 wrote:Nope, they are a solid playoff team even without Hali.

We are an eternal playin team.

play-in seems highly optimistic given opening east odds:

2.7:1 cavs
3:1 knicks
4.3:1 magic
4.6:1 celtics

12:1 sixers
16:1 pacers/pistons
24:1 bucks

50:1 heat
70:1 raps
80:1 hawks

that's 11 teams. then the sucker bets:

500:1 bulls/hornets/wiz/nets

500:1 in stated odds means at least 600:1 in reality and probably significantly more. i'd wager (no pun, intended) that the sportsbooks have a high profit margin on these super-longshot bets


Vegas predicted the Bulls would have 27 wins this year. We see how that ended up. And for the Bulls to have that drastically different odds than extremely mediocre teams like Miami, Toronto, and Atlanta is very suspect. The Bulls are right there with those teams imo. And injuries change things very quickly as we saw this playoffs. Playin may not be a lock but it's FAR from highly optimistic.
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Re: Does Haliburton Injury move us past the Pacers next year? 

Post#23 » by Flopper » Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:38 am

They have multiple role players that are on par or better than our best players, so no.
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Re: Does Haliburton Injury move us pass the Pacers next year? 

Post#24 » by dice » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:09 am

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Bulliever2020 wrote:Nope, they are a solid playoff team even without Hali.

We are an eternal playin team.

play-in seems highly optimistic given opening east odds:

2.7:1 cavs
3:1 knicks
4.3:1 magic
4.6:1 celtics

12:1 sixers
16:1 pacers/pistons
24:1 bucks

50:1 heat
70:1 raps
80:1 hawks

that's 11 teams. then the sucker bets:

500:1 bulls/hornets/wiz/nets

500:1 in stated odds means at least 600:1 in reality and probably significantly more. i'd wager (no pun, intended) that the sportsbooks have a high profit margin on these super-longshot bets


Vegas predicted the Bulls would have 27 wins this year. We see how that ended up. And for the Bulls to have that drastically different odds than extremely mediocre teams like Miami, Toronto, and Atlanta is very suspect. The Bulls are right there with those teams imo. And injuries change things very quickly as we saw this playoffs. Playin may not be a lock but it's FAR from highly optimistic.

since you are highly optimistic that the odds are way off, you should place a bet!
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Re: Does Haliburton Injury move us past the Pacers next year? 

Post#25 » by ShadyMoney » Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:03 pm

We need to get younger to get past the pacers

The thunder did just that

The baby BULLS babbled so the baby thunder can crawl
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Re: Does Haliburton Injury move us past the Pacers next year? 

Post#26 » by Indomitable » Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:10 pm

ShadyMoney wrote:We need to get younger to get past the pacers

The thunder did just that

The baby BULLS babbled so the baby thunder can crawl

Wow this is utter nonsense. Are you trolling?
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Re: Does Haliburton Injury move us past the Pacers next year? 

Post#27 » by ChiTownHero1992 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:21 pm

I think we're still fighting for 4th place at best in the Central

Cavs - no brainer currently
Bucks - likely to right the ship
Pistons - on the rise
Pacers - still a well built machine, could even see them above Pistons/Bucks still
Bulls - unclear direction until roster moves are made
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Re: Does Haliburton Injury move us past the Pacers next year? 

Post#28 » by jnrjr79 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:08 pm

ChiTownHero1992 wrote:I think we're still fighting for 4th place at best in the Central

Cavs - no brainer currently
Bucks - likely to right the ship
Pistons - on the rise
Pacers - still a well built machine, could even see them above Pistons/Bucks still
Bulls - unclear direction until roster moves are made


I don't see any reason why Milwaukee will be able to "right the ship," but they don't need to to remain better than the Bulls.
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Re: Does Haliburton Injury move us past the Pacers next year? 

Post#29 » by ChiTownHero1992 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:50 pm

jnrjr79 wrote:
ChiTownHero1992 wrote:I think we're still fighting for 4th place at best in the Central

Cavs - no brainer currently
Bucks - likely to right the ship
Pistons - on the rise
Pacers - still a well built machine, could even see them above Pistons/Bucks still
Bulls - unclear direction until roster moves are made


I don't see any reason why Milwaukee will be able to "right the ship," but they don't need to to remain better than the Bulls.


My mindset is it depends on what Giannis tells them, if he says he likes Milwaukee and wants to stay then I think they make a push to bring the right crowd around him and they figure it out even with Dame out. If Giannis however says, I've done all that I could for Milwaukee, they blow it up and likely could be last in the division.
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Re: Does Haliburton Injury move us past the Pacers next year? 

Post#30 » by jnrjr79 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 4:01 pm

ChiTownHero1992 wrote:
jnrjr79 wrote:
ChiTownHero1992 wrote:I think we're still fighting for 4th place at best in the Central

Cavs - no brainer currently
Bucks - likely to right the ship
Pistons - on the rise
Pacers - still a well built machine, could even see them above Pistons/Bucks still
Bulls - unclear direction until roster moves are made


I don't see any reason why Milwaukee will be able to "right the ship," but they don't need to to remain better than the Bulls.


My mindset is it depends on what Giannis tells them, if he says he likes Milwaukee and wants to stay then I think they make a push to bring the right crowd around him and they figure it out even with Dame out. If Giannis however says, I've done all that I could for Milwaukee, they blow it up and likely could be last in the division.


Dame's salary is sitting on the books and he's out for the year. Milwaukee has basically no trade assets. They're going to have a hard time doing anything meaningful, I would think.
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Re: Does Haliburton Injury move us past the Pacers next year? 

Post#31 » by ShadyMoney » Tue Jun 24, 2025 6:53 pm

Indomitable wrote:
ShadyMoney wrote:We need to get younger to get past the pacers

The thunder did just that

The baby BULLS babbled so the baby thunder can crawl

Wow this is utter nonsense. Are you trolling?

I forgot about the green font.

But the point remains the Thunder did the baby thunder plan WAY BETTER than the baby bulls plan from 99-2005

Don’t think for one second Sam Presti didn’t study how that plan went and made changes. We cashed in on Jalen rose and antonio davis and Tyson Chandler when it came to assets. Sam presti waited and continued to tank. He also had a star player go down with a leg injury for a year and managed to still remain a finals contender.


We should have a Brinks Truck for Sam Presti like Ricketts did for Theo.

Like I said earlier, I’m waiting on the 2030s. My 2024 plan that I stated talking about in 2016 got derailed when we shifted from Gar n them to AKME inc.
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Re: Does Haliburton Injury move us past the Pacers next year? 

Post#32 » by Jcool0 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:02 pm

ShadyMoney wrote:
Indomitable wrote:
ShadyMoney wrote:We need to get younger to get past the pacers

The thunder did just that

The baby BULLS babbled so the baby thunder can crawl

Wow this is utter nonsense. Are you trolling?

I forgot about the green font.

But the point remains the Thunder did the baby thunder plan WAY BETTER than the baby bulls plan from 99-2005

Don’t think for one second Sam Presti didn’t study how that plan went and made changes. We cashed in on Jalen rose and antonio davis and Tyson Chandler when it came to assets. Sam presti waited and continued to tank. He also had a star player go down with a leg injury for a year and managed to still remain a finals contender.


We should have a Brinks Truck for Sam Presti like Ricketts did for Theo.

Like I said earlier, I’m waiting on the 2030s. My 2024 plan that I stated talking about in 2016 got derailed when we shifted from Gar n them to AKME inc.


In 2020 rumors were Presti was looking to make a move to a big market team. Bulls seemed interested, but that didn't seem to go anywhere and then they hired AK.

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Re: Does Haliburton Injury move us past the Pacers next year? 

Post#33 » by Ctownbulls » Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:17 pm

Indiana without Hali would have swept the Bulls in a 7 game series this year.

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Re: Does Haliburton Injury move us pass the Pacers next year? 

Post#34 » by Dan Z » Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:48 pm

DuckIII wrote:As to the question, I would say no based on the assumption the Bulls simply use their pick, do some small free agency stuff or secondary lateral trades, sign Giddey and just roll into the season. Which, barring specific opportunities I would imagine to be unlikely, that is more or less what I want to see.

But to me there is risk behind this question and I hope (though I know otherwise) AK is not thinking like this. How the Bulls fare next year in what will be pretty much without question the weakest conference the NBA will have seen in the roughly 30 years I've paid close attention to the league, should be irrelevant to the team building plan.

If we start making win now moves that aren't "damn, now you're on a straight line to contender even if everyone's healthy" types of win now moves, we could do even more long lasting damage than we've already done to take advantage of a meaningless one year anomaly.


Bring on the Vucevic 2.0 trade!

I hope AK doesn't do that and just stays the course (what you outline in the first part of your post).

To answer the OP's question...it's no. A team with TJ, Nembhard, Mathurin, Nesmith, Toppin, Walker, Turner, Siakam and whatever moves they make this off season should be better than the Bulls.
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Re: Does Haliburton Injury move us pass the Pacers next year? 

Post#35 » by Bulliever2020 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:53 pm

dice wrote:
Bulliever2020 wrote:
dice wrote:play-in seems highly optimistic given opening east odds:

2.7:1 cavs
3:1 knicks
4.3:1 magic
4.6:1 celtics

12:1 sixers
16:1 pacers/pistons
24:1 bucks

50:1 heat
70:1 raps
80:1 hawks

that's 11 teams. then the sucker bets:

500:1 bulls/hornets/wiz/nets

500:1 in stated odds means at least 600:1 in reality and probably significantly more. i'd wager (no pun, intended) that the sportsbooks have a high profit margin on these super-longshot bets


Vegas predicted the Bulls would have 27 wins this year. We see how that ended up. And for the Bulls to have that drastically different odds than extremely mediocre teams like Miami, Toronto, and Atlanta is very suspect. The Bulls are right there with those teams imo. And injuries change things very quickly as we saw this playoffs. Playin may not be a lock but it's FAR from highly optimistic.

since you are highly optimistic that the odds are way off, you should place a bet!


If Fanduel had an option for betting playin teams I would be all over that! Playin forever baby! We should rename the team to the Chicago Playins!

Ok, I'm done.
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Re: Does Haliburton Injury move us past the Pacers next year? 

Post#36 » by Bulliever2020 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:36 pm

Well the Hawks may have just leveled up a bit if Zinger can stay healthy
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