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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#1141 » by GopherIt! » Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:09 am

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KGdaBom wrote:Walter Clayton Jr come on down. You are the next PG contestant for the Minnesota Timberwolves.


I get it, but man Clayton Jr ain’t much longer than Dillingham. Heck, I’d think Dillingham might have a longer wingspan by this time next year. Unless we’re rehiring David Kahn, I’d feel like that’s an admission that you really whiffed the Dillingham pick for reason other than his obvious short stature.

Yeah this is basically how I view it as well. I personally really like Clayton, but im unsure how we can have him and Rob on this team. They likely can never share the floor because both have under a 6'6" wingspan, iirc.

If all of Sorber, Denim, Essengue, Queen, etc are gone by 17 id hope we could move back or get future assets. Clayton at 17 seems like leaving a bit of value on the board.


Clifford would be another solid option and likely doesn't get past pick 20. He just seems like a Heat pick if he's there.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#1142 » by MN7725 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:14 am

Klomp wrote:From Sam Vecenie/The Athletic:

17. Minnesota Timberwolves (via DET)
Danny Wolf | 6-11 big | 21 years old | Michigan
The easiest way to describe Wolf is that he’s a creator at nearly 7-feet tall and can play in ball screens as a ballhandler or pass and make plays. He averaged 13 points, 10 rebounds and 3.6 assists per game, though he had a turnover problem owing to a high handle and wild decision-making. Defensively, there are also some questions, although I think that his overall movement skill has been underrated. This skill set would likely appeal to Tim Connelly.

Wolf has also had a very strong pre-draft process, particularly as a shooter, breaking one team’s record in its 3-point shooting drill. Several other teams thought he shot the ball extremely impressively in Chicago during his pro day, per sources. Thomas Sorber is also a name to watch here, as he has many of the same big-man skills as Wolf. This is also seen as the start of Walter Clayton Jr.’s range.


https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6434991/2025/06/23/nba-draft-2025-cooper-flagg-ace-bailey-dylan-harper/


different skills and play style obviously, but I think Wolf would be similar to Kyle Anderson in that he is only worth having if you have him as pretty much the primary ball handler when he's in the game

He has legit guard/passing skills at that height which is unique, but putting him in any other role offensively I don't see how it would work.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#1143 » by KGdaBom » Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:09 pm

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Klomp wrote:From Sam Vecenie/The Athletic:

17. Minnesota Timberwolves (via DET)
Danny Wolf | 6-11 big | 21 years old | Michigan
The easiest way to describe Wolf is that he’s a creator at nearly 7-feet tall and can play in ball screens as a ballhandler or pass and make plays. He averaged 13 points, 10 rebounds and 3.6 assists per game, though he had a turnover problem owing to a high handle and wild decision-making. Defensively, there are also some questions, although I think that his overall movement skill has been underrated. This skill set would likely appeal to Tim Connelly.

Wolf has also had a very strong pre-draft process, particularly as a shooter, breaking one team’s record in its 3-point shooting drill. Several other teams thought he shot the ball extremely impressively in Chicago during his pro day, per sources. Thomas Sorber is also a name to watch here, as he has many of the same big-man skills as Wolf. This is also seen as the start of Walter Clayton Jr.’s range.


https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6434991/2025/06/23/nba-draft-2025-cooper-flagg-ace-bailey-dylan-harper/


different skills and play style obviously, but I think Wolf would be similar to Kyle Anderson in that he is only worth having if you have him as pretty much the primary ball handler when he's in the game

He has legit guard/passing skills at that height which is unique, but putting him in any other role offensively I don't see how it would work.
How does Wolf compare to Demin in ball handling/passing? I'm guessing not even close, but I could be wrong.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#1144 » by minimus » Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:27 pm

should be first candidate for two-way deal if he goes undrafted

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#1145 » by moss_is_1 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:29 pm

minimus wrote:should be first candidate for two-way deal if he goes undrafted


Yes yes yes. Might never be a starter but for sure should be a backup PG in the NBA.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#1146 » by jpatrick » Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:32 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
MN7725 wrote:
Klomp wrote:From Sam Vecenie/The Athletic:

17. Minnesota Timberwolves (via DET)
Danny Wolf | 6-11 big | 21 years old | Michigan
The easiest way to describe Wolf is that he’s a creator at nearly 7-feet tall and can play in ball screens as a ballhandler or pass and make plays. He averaged 13 points, 10 rebounds and 3.6 assists per game, though he had a turnover problem owing to a high handle and wild decision-making. Defensively, there are also some questions, although I think that his overall movement skill has been underrated. This skill set would likely appeal to Tim Connelly.

Wolf has also had a very strong pre-draft process, particularly as a shooter, breaking one team’s record in its 3-point shooting drill. Several other teams thought he shot the ball extremely impressively in Chicago during his pro day, per sources. Thomas Sorber is also a name to watch here, as he has many of the same big-man skills as Wolf. This is also seen as the start of Walter Clayton Jr.’s range.


https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6434991/2025/06/23/nba-draft-2025-cooper-flagg-ace-bailey-dylan-harper/


different skills and play style obviously, but I think Wolf would be similar to Kyle Anderson in that he is only worth having if you have him as pretty much the primary ball handler when he's in the game

He has legit guard/passing skills at that height which is unique, but putting him in any other role offensively I don't see how it would work.
How does Wolf compare to Demin in ball handling/passing? I'm guessing not even close, but I could be wrong.


Wolf is a good passer for a big. I don’t see a world where you run your offense through him. He’s essentially had a 1:1 assist to turnover ratio every year in college. I think he’s like Naz where he can play 4 and 5 offensively but not defend either well. I think his role is either a floor spacing big that needs to play next to a rim protector or a bench big that you can run some stuff through with the second unit. Not a huge fan.

Demin is truly a world class passer. The problem is he can’t score. He can’t get by anyone without a screen, sometimes it takes several screens. Because he doesn’t require a double and he can’t really create offensive advantages off the bounce or with shooting, his passing loses a ton of value. Also not a huge fan.

But if Coward, Sorber, and Beringer are all gone, we get to a tier where I don’t really love anyone.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#1147 » by MN7725 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:40 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
MN7725 wrote:
Klomp wrote:From Sam Vecenie/The Athletic:

17. Minnesota Timberwolves (via DET)
Danny Wolf | 6-11 big | 21 years old | Michigan
The easiest way to describe Wolf is that he’s a creator at nearly 7-feet tall and can play in ball screens as a ballhandler or pass and make plays. He averaged 13 points, 10 rebounds and 3.6 assists per game, though he had a turnover problem owing to a high handle and wild decision-making. Defensively, there are also some questions, although I think that his overall movement skill has been underrated. This skill set would likely appeal to Tim Connelly.

Wolf has also had a very strong pre-draft process, particularly as a shooter, breaking one team’s record in its 3-point shooting drill. Several other teams thought he shot the ball extremely impressively in Chicago during his pro day, per sources. Thomas Sorber is also a name to watch here, as he has many of the same big-man skills as Wolf. This is also seen as the start of Walter Clayton Jr.’s range.


https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6434991/2025/06/23/nba-draft-2025-cooper-flagg-ace-bailey-dylan-harper/


different skills and play style obviously, but I think Wolf would be similar to Kyle Anderson in that he is only worth having if you have him as pretty much the primary ball handler when he's in the game

He has legit guard/passing skills at that height which is unique, but putting him in any other role offensively I don't see how it would work.
How does Wolf compare to Demin in ball handling/passing? I'm guessing not even close, but I could be wrong.


a level below for sure

Wolf would allow a team to play "5 out" at a big position, albeit not a good defensive lineup, but that is at least an interesting wrinkle

so from a Wolves perspective, you could play Wolf with weaker ball handling guards like Clark playing off-ball


to be clear, I don't really see it with Wolf, I think Vecenie is the best draft guy out there though so I take his mock's seriously, so if the Wolves draft DW they would believe he could be at least a secondary ball handler in a (bench) lineup, sort of the way Kyle Anderson was mostly used
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#1148 » by Norseman79 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:10 pm

Drafting Wolf as a 4...I'm ok with....as a 5, not ok with
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#1149 » by MN7725 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:22 pm

Norseman79 wrote:Drafting Wolf as a 4...I'm ok with....as a 5, not ok with


The only interesting thing about Wolf to me is the potential to play five out, five players with perimeter skills

I don’t see a point in Wolf playing alongside a traditional big without perimeter skills
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#1150 » by KGdaBom » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:53 pm

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different skills and play style obviously, but I think Wolf would be similar to Kyle Anderson in that he is only worth having if you have him as pretty much the primary ball handler when he's in the game

He has legit guard/passing skills at that height which is unique, but putting him in any other role offensively I don't see how it would work.
How does Wolf compare to Demin in ball handling/passing? I'm guessing not even close, but I could be wrong.


Wolf is a good passer for a big. I don’t see a world where you run your offense through him. He’s essentially had a 1:1 assist to turnover ratio every year in college. I think he’s like Naz where he can play 4 and 5 offensively but not defend either well. I think his role is either a floor spacing big that needs to play next to a rim protector or a bench big that you can run some stuff through with the second unit. Not a huge fan.

Demin is truly a world class passer. The problem is he can’t score. He can’t get by anyone without a screen, sometimes it takes several screens. Because he doesn’t require a double and he can’t really create offensive advantages off the bounce or with shooting, his passing loses a ton of value. Also not a huge fan.

But if Coward, Sorber, and Beringer are all gone, we get to a tier where I don’t really love anyone.

Demin scored OK in college and he's young. I see his shooting and attacking getting better. If opponents leave him open I see him making them pay. If they play him tight he can pass over them leading to boundless great looks for his teammates. I like him.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#1151 » by Guest84 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:16 pm

I haven't kept up with any college prospects in years so I'm up to date on who's who. However, I've some mocks suggesting the wolves take Sorber. Looked him up and didn't realize he was only 6'9" as a C. He could be good but I'm not too keen on bringing in undersized players anymore.

How's his skillset, mobility, IQ seem to others who may have actually watched him?
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#1152 » by Norseman79 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 4:05 pm

MN7725 wrote:
Norseman79 wrote:Drafting Wolf as a 4...I'm ok with....as a 5, not ok with


The only interesting thing about Wolf to me is the potential to play five out, five players with perimeter skills

I don’t see a point in Wolf playing alongside a traditional big without perimeter skills


Then I would want nothing to do with him.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#1153 » by BlacJacMac » Tue Jun 24, 2025 4:09 pm

Guest84 wrote:I haven't kept up with any college prospects in years so I'm up to date on who's who. However, I've some mocks suggesting the wolves take Sorber. Looked him up and didn't realize he was only 6'9" as a C. He could be good but I'm not too keen on bringing in undersized players anymore.

How's his skillset, mobility, IQ seem to others who may have actually watched him?


His height isn't ideal, but he's 260 with a 7'6 wingspan.

His IQ is off the charts. Especially for a 19 year-old. He's really instinctive and always knows where everyone else is on the court. I like this quote:

There’s a unique blend of skills, production, and youth here that adds up to a lottery-caliber talent. As a freshman, Sorber plays the game with the maturity of a four-year senior. It’s the greenest flag in his evaluation.


And that's why I think he goes one pick before us to OKC. I think he's very much a Presti guy that values BBIQ and production over measurments. I see him as a low cost replacement for Hartenstein and the beefy guy that Chet needs next to him.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#1154 » by Guest84 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 4:18 pm

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Guest84 wrote:I haven't kept up with any college prospects in years so I'm up to date on who's who. However, I've some mocks suggesting the wolves take Sorber. Looked him up and didn't realize he was only 6'9" as a C. He could be good but I'm not too keen on bringing in undersized players anymore.

How's his skillset, mobility, IQ seem to others who may have actually watched him?


His height isn't ideal, but he's 260 with a 7'6 wingspan.

His IQ is off the charts. Especially for a 19 year-old. He's really instinctive and always knows where everyone else is on the court. I like this quote:

There’s a unique blend of skills, production, and youth here that adds up to a lottery-caliber talent. As a freshman, Sorber plays the game with the maturity of a four-year senior. It’s the greenest flag in his evaluation.


And that's why I think he goes one pick before us to OKC. I think he's very much a Presti guy that values BBIQ and production over measurments. I see him as a low cost replacement for Hartenstein and the beefy guy that Chet needs next to him.


Any info on his motor and work ethic?
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#1155 » by BlacJacMac » Tue Jun 24, 2025 4:28 pm

Guest84 wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:
Guest84 wrote:I haven't kept up with any college prospects in years so I'm up to date on who's who. However, I've some mocks suggesting the wolves take Sorber. Looked him up and didn't realize he was only 6'9" as a C. He could be good but I'm not too keen on bringing in undersized players anymore.

How's his skillset, mobility, IQ seem to others who may have actually watched him?


His height isn't ideal, but he's 260 with a 7'6 wingspan.

His IQ is off the charts. Especially for a 19 year-old. He's really instinctive and always knows where everyone else is on the court. I like this quote:

There’s a unique blend of skills, production, and youth here that adds up to a lottery-caliber talent. As a freshman, Sorber plays the game with the maturity of a four-year senior. It’s the greenest flag in his evaluation.


And that's why I think he goes one pick before us to OKC. I think he's very much a Presti guy that values BBIQ and production over measurments. I see him as a low cost replacement for Hartenstein and the beefy guy that Chet needs next to him.


Any info on his motor and work ethic?


I've never seen anything negative about either.

Vecenie has a very extensive write-up about him (and everyone else) in his draft guide. Its available for free here (you can't copy/paste from it, so I'm not including any snippets):

www.nytimes.com/athletic/6414203/2025/06/10/nba-draft-guide-2025-top-100-prospects-cooper-flagg/

Here is The Ringer's take:

SCOUTING REPORT BY Danny Chau
A season-ending left foot injury in February derailed what had been an outstanding run for Sorber, who was in the midst of one of the best-ever freshman campaigns for a Georgetown big man. That’s lofty but earned praise, placing him right up there with Patrick Ewing, Alonzo Mourning, Greg Monroe, and Othella Harrington—all 10-plus-year NBA veterans at the very least. Sorber is a throwback, right down to his choice to commit to ol’ Big Man U. He gets low and wide in the post, sets bone-crushing screens, and understands how to leverage his verticality on defense without fouling. The foundation is rock-solid. What makes him so intriguing is the skills he’s amassed on top of it.

One of Sorber’s gifts is his court mapping. He has a sense for where everyone should be on the floor, which allows him to make instinctive, split-second passes out of just about every play type. Nothing fancy, but he can be a playmaker down on the blocks or in the high post, in the short roll or out of dribble handoffs. When he crashes the offensive glass, the biggest concern isn’t how quickly he’ll go back up, but how quickly he’ll spray the ball out to a wide-open shooter.

Shooting will be the big determining factor for Sorber’s high-end outcomes because he probably won’t be a compelling rim runner at the next level. Because of his lack of size and the long load-up time of his vertical explosion, his avenues for success in the pick-and-roll will largely depend on both his passing and his ability to stretch the floor from 3. That could come with time; he’s been a solid free throw shooter dating back to high school, and while the percentages aren’t good, he hasn’t been afraid of taking open looks from deep.

Sorber’s defense is very much in the eye of the beholder. As a slightly undersized NBA center without outlier athleticism, he may have a clear cap on his defensive ceiling. But he has real lateral mobility for a player his size, allowing him to credibly defend in space on the perimeter and recover for blocks on drives into the lane. He pries the ball loose using his strong hands and quick reaction time. He plays with a deep intuition, reflected in both the film and the numbers. There simply aren’t many college players in the past 20 years who have his steal and block rates and also averaged fewer than three fouls per 40 minutes. He creates moments of rupture on defense and does so cleanly. All while serving as a defensive lightning rod in his freshman year. In that light, Sorber’s discipline is damn near monk-like.

There’s a unique blend of skills, production, and youth here that adds up to a lottery-caliber talent. As a freshman, Sorber plays the game with the maturity of a four-year senior. It’s the greenest flag in his evaluation.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#1156 » by Battletrigger » Tue Jun 24, 2025 4:33 pm

I cannot believe that we can let a guy called Wolf pass XD
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#1157 » by Guest84 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 4:40 pm

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His height isn't ideal, but he's 260 with a 7'6 wingspan.

His IQ is off the charts. Especially for a 19 year-old. He's really instinctive and always knows where everyone else is on the court. I like this quote:



And that's why I think he goes one pick before us to OKC. I think he's very much a Presti guy that values BBIQ and production over measurments. I see him as a low cost replacement for Hartenstein and the beefy guy that Chet needs next to him.


Any info on his motor and work ethic?


I've never seen anything negative about either.

Vecenie has a very extensive write-up about him (and everyone else) in his draft guide. Its available for free here (you can't copy/paste from it, so I'm not including any snippets):

www.nytimes.com/athletic/6414203/2025/06/10/nba-draft-guide-2025-top-100-prospects-cooper-flagg/



Just looking at his highlights, he appears to have good footwork to pair with good IQ and decisive. Doesn't seem to waste movements, just identifies the spot he wants to get to and does the work early to get there. Appears to have or could develop a 15-18ft jumper and possibly the occasional 3. Reminds me a bit of Jermaine O'Neal.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#1158 » by Krapinsky » Tue Jun 24, 2025 4:45 pm

Norseman79 wrote:Drafting Wolf as a 4...I'm ok with....as a 5, not ok with


I wouldn't mind him playing some 5. Love the fact that he rebounds so well. Nearly 10 rebounds a game while sharing the Court with Goldin. Bigs that rebound well, pass well, dribble well, and can stretch the floor are very rare. He's also not a complete stiff, has decent bend. I'm really high on Wolf and think he'll be a really fun player to have on the team.

A lineup of Wolf-Randle or Wolf-Naz, while not great defensively by any means, would provide 5 players that could grab and go. It'd be a lot of fun.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#1159 » by BlacJacMac » Tue Jun 24, 2025 4:59 pm

Guest84 wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:
Guest84 wrote:
Any info on his motor and work ethic?


I've never seen anything negative about either.

Vecenie has a very extensive write-up about him (and everyone else) in his draft guide. Its available for free here (you can't copy/paste from it, so I'm not including any snippets):

www.nytimes.com/athletic/6414203/2025/06/10/nba-draft-guide-2025-top-100-prospects-cooper-flagg/



Just looking at his highlights, he appears to have good footwork to pair with good IQ and decisive. Doesn't seem to waste movements, just identifies the spot he wants to get to and does the work early to get there. Appears to have or could develop a 15-18ft jumper and possibly the occasional 3. Reminds me a bit of Jermaine O'Neal.


He's really interesting in that his brain is so far ahead of his body at 19. He definitely looks like he's still growing into his body. And it would probably benefit him a lot athletically to get down closer to 250 and into much better shape. Naz could be a very good role model for him.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

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