2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (Wow this is fun!)

[phincsfan]

The way the numbers are going, the 2nd apron for 26/27 may be 220mil and the luxury floor could be in the mid 190'smil.

Without Jrue and if they hopefully don't extend Simons, they'll be at 165mil with JT, JB, White, PP and Hauser with TO's for Rico, Neems.

If they can somehow turn Simons into Sorber or Queen by not having to tank, that would be a great start.

I know some say JT will be back, but I hope not and they should just use the injured player exception which should be for 14mil. Get a decent vet to play alongside JB and White.

I also think a fully healthy year for Sam will make him very valuable next season.

[165bows]

Where do you guys think KP ends up?

I'd guess most likely somewhere in the Miami, Phoenix, New Orleans, Toronto, Charlotte, Atlanta group.

[Jammer]

Well, Simons makes $4.8 Million less than Holiday in 2026.

Bobby Marks says the deal saves Boston $40 Million in Luxury Tax Payments in 2026.

That's $44.8M, which is money even for a Billionaire.

I think Jrue is the better player in 2026, but his defense is slipping, and at age 35, is a depreciating asset that might not be tradeable after this season with two more years and $71M due AFTER THE 2026 season. So, I understand why they moved my favorite Celtic (along with Al Horford). Years ago, I was the one pushing for swapping Smart for Holiday. The Celtics eventually did it indirectly.

I guess getting the 26 year old Simons and two 2nd Rounders is respectable return, considering they are pocketing $44.8M in savings in 2026 alone.

Don't know if Simons will be here long term, I could see him moved by the trade deadline.

My preferred trade was Holiday for Dan Gafford, which Dallas probably would have had to find a 3rd team to take on Klay Thompson's contract, but if Gafford wasn't available because Dallas has decided to keep him then this is probably the best they could do. At least they salvaged something by not letting Jrue decline to the point where he was untradeable (probably next summer).

So, I guess it's a good move, and the best one available all things considered. Bravo Brad and Mike Zarren.

[fallguy]

Last night, I was pretty sure Simons wasn't sticking around but I woke up utterly convinced he will be gone. This is just step one of dumping him for more savings. Which I love.

[165bows]

Maybe Phoenix sends Grayson Allen into Atlanta's TPE, Boston gets Cody Martin and second rounders, then Phoenix pays to dump Micic (wasn't he supposed to be worth a first rounder?). Phoenix gets KP.

Boston then dumps Martin into something cheaper and keeps Hauser/Kornet/Al.

[Froob]

Where do you guys think KP ends up?

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[hugepatsfan]

Maybe Phoenix sends Grayson Allen into Atlanta's TPE, Boston gets Cody Martin and second rounders, then Phoenix pays to dump Micic (wasn't he supposed to be worth a first rounder?). Phoenix gets KP.

Boston then dumps Martin into something cheaper and keeps Hauser/Kornet/Al.

Suns are $12M over the 2nd apron right now with 11 players signed. Even more over once they sign #10 and #29 and fill out the last couple of open roster spots. Realistically they're probably $25M over the 2nd apron if they keep Martin/Micic to use in deals like this. If they aggregate like this they have to be below the 2nd apron.

I don't see how they'd duck the 2nd apron with this deal here. They'd have Booker/Beal/Green/Porzingis/Brooks all on the books which is pretty inflexible to move off of salary.

[Hal14]

I still want us to sign Nigel Hayes-Davis to a fairly cheap 2 year deal. With Tatum out, a team that has JB, White, Simons, Pritchard, Hayes-Davis, Horford, Kornet (hopefully resigns), possibly Hauser and whatever we get for KP could make some noise.

Assuming Simons isn't a long term piece, but Hayes-Davis could be a solid wing off the bench during 26-27, when we're ready to make another run at a title.

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He's pretty much the best player in Europe, still in his prime..

[Hal14]

Where do you guys think KP ends up?

Pels, Lakers or Suns.

Darkhorse? Hawks, especially if/when they lose Capela..

I think KP and Okongwu is a good fit. You could play them together in a double big lineup (KP can shoot and be a passing hub..Okongwu gives them a big who can defend out on the perimeter a bit) or rotate them in and out in single big lineups.

[cl2117]

BOS in: Mann, Niang, #20
BOS out: KP, Simons, #28, Tillman

ATL in: KP, Duncan Robinson via TPE (waived), Pelle Larson
ATL out: Mann, Niang, Tillman

MIA in: Simons, #28
MIA out: Robinson, Larson, #20

Mann is solid and locked in 3/47, Niang is expiring. We just get below the tax and move up 8 spots in the 1st. Depending on the value you put on the ATL side of things I think you could could even try to swap #32 with their #22. Reset tax, get a solid roleplayer and move up with two of your picks. Not a bad deal, especially if you can land a big man project or two at #20 or #22.

[165bows]

Maybe Phoenix sends Grayson Allen into Atlanta's TPE, Boston gets Cody Martin and second rounders, then Phoenix pays to dump Micic (wasn't he supposed to be worth a first rounder?). Phoenix gets KP.

Boston then dumps Martin into something cheaper and keeps Hauser/Kornet/Al.

Suns are $12M over the 2nd apron right now with 11 players signed. Even more over once they sign #10 and #29 and fill out the last couple of open roster spots. Realistically they're probably $25M over the 2nd apron if they keep Martin/Micic to use in deals like this. If they aggregate like this they have to be below the 2nd apron.

I don't see how they'd duck the 2nd apron with this deal here. They'd have Booker/Beal/Green/Porzingis/Brooks all on the books which is pretty inflexible to move off of salary.

Good point I totally missed that. Phoenix has a ton of deals to make those new second rounders are going to fly off the shelves.

[hugepatsfan]

I still want us to sign Nigel Hayes-Davis to a fairly cheap 2 year deal. With Tatum out, a team that has JB, White, Simons, Pritchard, Hayes-Davis, Horford, Kornet (hopefully resigns), possibly Hauser and whatever we get for KP could make some noise.

Assuming Simons isn't a long term piece, but Hayes-Davis could be a solid wing off the bench during 26-27, when we're ready to make another run at a title.

Watch on YouTube

He's pretty much the best player in Europe, still in his prime..

What contracts are you expecting for Hayes-Davis, Horford and Kornet. Right now we're $19.3M over the 2nd apron. It's HARD to imagine we stay over it. So in order to accommodate keeping all the pieces you mentioned we need to basically clear Porzingis entirely off the books. I think that will be really hard to do. Maybe if all 3 of them get minimum deals? But does Hayes-Davis leave Europe for that? Kornet probably has to turn down bigger offers elsewhere for that and Horford probably gets offered more too from a ring chasing team.

[FlatearthZorro]

I still want us to sign Nigel Hayes-Davis to a fairly cheap 2 year deal. With Tatum out, a team that has JB, White, Simons, Pritchard, Hayes-Davis, Horford, Kornet (hopefully resigns), possibly Hauser and whatever we get for KP could make some noise.

Assuming Simons isn't a long term piece, but Hayes-Davis could be a solid wing off the bench during 26-27, when we're ready to make another run at a title.

Watch on YouTube

He's pretty much the best player in Europe, still in his prime..

Unless the C's get below the 2nd apron, I believe a minimum deal for a guy costs around 20 mils for the team...

[hugepatsfan]

Maybe Phoenix sends Grayson Allen into Atlanta's TPE, Boston gets Cody Martin and second rounders, then Phoenix pays to dump Micic (wasn't he supposed to be worth a first rounder?). Phoenix gets KP.

Boston then dumps Martin into something cheaper and keeps Hauser/Kornet/Al.

Suns are $12M over the 2nd apron right now with 11 players signed. Even more over once they sign #10 and #29 and fill out the last couple of open roster spots. Realistically they're probably $25M over the 2nd apron if they keep Martin/Micic to use in deals like this. If they aggregate like this they have to be below the 2nd apron.

I don't see how they'd duck the 2nd apron with this deal here. They'd have Booker/Beal/Green/Porzingis/Brooks all on the books which is pretty inflexible to move off of salary.

Good point I totally missed that. Phoenix has a ton of deals to make those new second rounders are going to fly off the shelves.

Eh, not so sure. Micic is a team option they can walk away from. Martin is fully non guaranteed. I do think Allen can be moved into ATL's TPE or moved for smaller filler salary plus pick value that can then be used to dump the filler salary on someone else (Allen is a decently positive value piece, IMO). That alone gets them under or very close to it.

The math gets really hard for them if they try to use Micic/Martin in trades like you forecasted, but they're in fairly decent shape (relatively speaking) as far as ducking the 2nd apron if they don't.

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2 first will do just fine.

[FlatearthZorro]

Another decent trade for Brad. This needed to be done..
The only way I'm trading Brown or White is if people come to the table with some serious offers.
I like Brown's fit in SAS. I actually think he's the perfect fit, locker room leader for them. Has experience and can guard all the elite wings out West. He also can make big shots and wont need to handle the ball with Fox and Wemby- just focus on scoring and defending..
As for White- if Bane gets you 4 FRPs and 1 pick swap while being more expensive, I'd take 3 for White(good ones), cause he's older, if I'm trading him.

[celticgreenie]

I think because of Tatum's injury it's the perfect time to audition younger athletic players who are on expiring contracts. Simons fits the bill and so would Rui Hachimura but I don't know if Lakers are that desperate for a center in KP that has been so injury prone. Plus Luka and KP didn't really work out in Dallas.

A guy like Kuminga could fit the bill too. Then Brad has leverage on extensions by extending the player willing to take a cheaper deal.

[Gant]

The Athletic:

The Celtics are still trying to trade Kristaps Porziņģis, sources tell @byjayking.bsky.social.

Sources believe the Jrue Holiday trade will be only the first domino to fall for Boston, who is looking get under the salary cap's second apron.

[celtxman]

Looking at the Celtics roster, one guy that's right up there for most likely to be moved, is Simons. This deal might ultimately have another leg to it.

Getting under the second apron is going to take several steps.

Yes. The Celtics being so far above the 2nd apron is the issue. Brad has started a process. that already looks different then all of us imagined. So hypothetically a trade of Simons saves more money and GETS BACK ASSETS. IF they trade KP as their only other trade THEY NEED AN ASSET - THEY NEED A CENTER.
I keep reading about trading KP just to get nothing back but cap relief as a solution. To me the least likely outcome is the Celtics get no assets for KP and the Celtics move forward
with resigned Kornet, Horford and Queta as their big men. KP could well be gone - but maybe they have a plan, along the lines of this Simon trade that is hard to see. I can't see this center in a brutal center market but maybe Brad does.