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[jschligs]

What in tarnation?

You think Jrue might be sent elsewhere, or Chauncey got his guy?

Great question.

It could be that Jrue was brought in as a mentor for the young guys.

It could be he is being routed elsewhere (PHX for Beal and picks?).

I am thrilled Simons is gone. My feelings on Jrue are mixed. Love his game and professionalism, not crazy about age and contract.

Out of curiosity, why?

I'm sure he isn't a great 1a or 1b option, but as the third or fourth option on Boston he has a chance to feast.

[JRoy]

You think Jrue might be sent elsewhere, or Chauncey got his guy?

Great question.

It could be that Jrue was brought in as a mentor for the young guys.

It could be he is being routed elsewhere (PHX for Beal and picks?).

I am thrilled Simons is gone. My feelings on Jrue are mixed. Love his game and professionalism, not crazy about age and contract.

Out of curiosity, why?

I'm sure he isn't a great 1a or 1b option, but as the third or fourth option on Boston he has a chance to feast.

He is among the worst defensive players every year. Weak passer, can’t get to the basket, doesn’t draw fouls, no leadership.

[JRoy]

It could be that Jrue was brought in as a mentor for the young guys.

This was a Billups move. He needs to have a winning season and wants a veteran leader he can trust. (and D up opposing PG's).

Classic case of a coach wanting his guy. Boston found the sucker who wanted Jrue at that money and somehow Brad Stevens got a useful player and draft picks out of it.

You might be right. Billups might see some of himself in Jrue, see him as a sort of coach on the floor,

Or he might be moved.

[Bernman]

I think the media hype played a factor in this, because they gush about Jrue in a way that grossly exceeds reality as we saw here, & they really started selling this hard for Boston after their debacle. Many F.O.'s are comprised of very flawed humans after all to be subject to influence.

On its face, it makes no sense a team would pay 3/100 for a guy who's declining & even at his peak wasn't that good. To boot THEY'RE the one to give up picks, immediate savings, an expiring, & a creator who could be more a winner away from a loser. The C's should have given up 2-3 1sts for this.

[Licensed to Il]

It could be that Jrue was brought in as a mentor for the young guys.

This was a Billups move. He needs to have a winning season and wants a veteran leader he can trust. (and D up opposing PG's).

Classic case of a coach wanting his guy. Boston found the sucker who wanted Jrue at that money and somehow Brad Stevens got a useful player and draft picks out of it.

You might be right. Billups might see some of himself in Jrue, see him as a sort of coach on the floor,

Or he might be moved.

He might be moved. The problem with flipping houses is it only is profitable when you acquire the property under resale value. If you pay more than market price, you probably are going to take a loss.

[Bernman]

How would it benefit PDX to acquire Jrue, then move him later? This isn't like before where he had clear positive value. So you acquire him for the privilege of maybe having to attach more picks to trade him? It'd have to be a deal where there's more added to this trade before official.

[Ron Swanson]

There's absolutely no logic to them "flipping Jrue" when this is the price that they willingly paid to re-acquire him. Between this, the Grant extension, valuing Ayton on his max extension, etc. Joe Cronin's just kind of a doofus who's throwing darts at the wall, and this is Billups convincing him they need a "veteran presence" on the team because they've deluded themselves into being competitive next season (you're in the wrong conference for that Joe...).

[msiris]

Jrue is washed. Lol. Portlnd is dumb.

[Bernman]

Speaking of Jerami Grant, what's with this sect of Bucks' fans who are desperate to acquire his terrible contract? Joe Cronin burners?

[soxperry]

Jrue is washed. Lol. Portlnd is dumb.

People keep insinuating that but I don't think that's true.

He simply overpaid. But on a team without any supermax players it kind of works.

[tedbrogen]

Speaking of Jerami Grant, what's with this sect of Bucks' fans who are desperate to acquire his terrible contract? Joe Cronin burners?

I assume Grant comes with the Bucks swaps and pick attached.

[LUKE23]

Simons has his warts as a player, but this trade seems absolutely ridiculous. I have the same feeling about this one as the Luka deal, to be honest. Does anyone think the Bucks could have made this same deal? No.

Cannot believe they let Boston out of the 2nd apron that easily.

[soxperry]

I dont think the Celtics will extend Simons, doesn't really make much sense. They will likely have to attach a first or two to shed his salary for much less salary back

[soxperry]

Wonder if the Blazers think Pat C could be a valuable vet

[soxperry]

I just think this trade more than anything is a referendum on one dimensional players. Simons is a good offensive player but that's it. Hes got more value than a guy who can only shoot but apparently not too much more

[Licensed to Il]

Wonder if the Blazers think Pat C could be a valuable vet

Maybe they want to bring Pat home bad enough to attach some picks

[DingleJerry]

Speaking of Jerami Grant, what's with this sect of Bucks' fans who are desperate to acquire his terrible contract? Joe Cronin burners?

Wouldn't say anyone is desperate to acquire it. It's almost always discussed in a way to get off Dame's contract for someone who can at least play this season, plays a position of need, is younger, etc. Its essentially just looking for another large bad contract that can line up with Dames

[DingleJerry]

Watch Simons be an absolute perfect fit for Boston and turn himself into a legit asset that they'll either extend as part of their core or flip at the deadline for multiple draft picks and a useful player. We can cry about big market bias all we want, but Stevens is just a good GM. We never take advantage of the dumb organizations, because we're one of them.

Yup, no idea how Boston pulled this off. Like how did they even have the balls to ask for this? And somehow it worked.

I'd also throw in another route that Simons could cover some depth if they move 1-3 of their other depth players/contracts like hauser, pritchard etc. I think I saw a post from Boston person that Simons might be rerouted, just saying this maybe gives them better ability to move those other guys instead. But yea, even in that scenario boston luck will lead to Simons stepping up a level and becoming very good for them

[soxperry]

Watch Simons be an absolute perfect fit for Boston and turn himself into a legit asset that they'll either extend as part of their core or flip at the deadline for multiple draft picks and a useful player. We can cry about big market bias all we want, but Stevens is just a good GM. We never take advantage of the dumb organizations, because we're one of them.

Yup, no idea how Boston pulled this off. Like how did they even have the balls to ask for this? And somehow it worked.

I'd also throw in another route that Simons could cover some depth if they move 1-3 of their other depth players/contracts like hauser, pritchard etc. I think I saw a post from Boston person that Simons might be rerouted, just saying this maybe gives them better ability to move those other guys instead. But yea, even in that scenario boston luck will lead to Simons stepping up a level and becoming very good for them

Well, let me explain.

You have your own assessment of player values
The media has their own relative assessments
GMs have their own and they have nothing to do with yours or the media's
So the GM canvasses the league (unless its Nico) and gets the best offer.

Turns out, even at Jrue's contract, there was a market for him.

[Bernman]

Speaking of Jerami Grant, what's with this sect of Bucks' fans who are desperate to acquire his terrible contract? Joe Cronin burners?

I assume Grant comes with the Bucks swaps and pick attached.

Speaking of Jerami Grant, what's with this sect of Bucks' fans who are desperate to acquire his terrible contract? Joe Cronin burners?

Wouldn't say anyone is desperate to acquire it. It's almost always discussed in a way to get off Dame's contract for someone who can at least play this season, plays a position of need, is younger, etc. Its essentially just looking for another large bad contract that can line up with Dames

The contract extends at least a year beyond Dame's, screwing w/ our earlier FA plans. And there's a better chance Dame doesn't pick up his player option/re-structures + is useful on the back end due to his class. We know what Grant is, and he's only getting worse.

I saw a Jrue/Grant for Dame proposal, from a Bucks' fan!, and my jaw almost hit the floor. I'm seeing them w/out picks attached. And I don't think we should be in that mode anyways, in a win now/retool, not rebuild.