Shams: Celtics Trade Jrue Holiday to Portland for Anfernee Simons, Two Second-Round Picks

[monopoman]

It's funny when people act like Simons is like a 3-4 year player when he has been a Blazer for a long time. He played 7 years in Portland, if he was going to make a big jump to true all-star he would have done it by now.

This is not some situation of him having unlocked potential, and even if you claim he was stunted by having CJ and Dame ahead of him he still had like 3 years without those guys. Simons ideal roll is some 6th man instant offense, but he is far too highly paid for that and would bitch and moan about coming off the bench. He's basically a poor man's CJ that plays even worse defense and has trouble doing things CJ can do.

There is also no way Jrue retires he has nearly $100 million coming to him in his contract over the next three seasons. He would be beyond stupid to walk away from that insane amount of money.

[BleedGreen1989]

I understand why people think Portland got robbed but I think this trade is less lopsided. Simons is not that good. He can score, but 6-3 200lb shooting guards forced to play PG are a dime a dozen. He doesn’t have great value around the league and is on an expiring contract so he walks at end of season.

Jrue is overpaid but Portland isn’t going to sign a max guy this year and have a roster of young players so they don’t really need financial flexibility. Jrue will be a valuable team leader and he is still a very good defender and a very smart offensive player who defines unselfish player.

I think both teams got what they desperately needed. Portland didn’t need to “win” this trade. They needed to get rid of Simons and they needed a veteran. They got a 2 time champ, a selfless teammate, a community leader and as good a role model as there is in NBA. He may be overpaid but he will produce for a couple of more years.

I see this as a win-win trade.

It’s a lot easier to say Portland got robbed than it is for people to admit their evaluation of Jrue’s trade value was wrong.

[keobulls]

Could this be worked into a Jrue to the Cavs for Garland somehow? That would make the Cavs more formidable in the weak East and Portland would then have basically upgraded Simons into Garland.

[Pattycakes]

I understand why people think Portland got robbed but I think this trade is less lopsided. Simons is not that good. He can score, but 6-3 200lb shooting guards forced to play PG are a dime a dozen. He doesn’t have great value around the league and is on an expiring contract so he walks at end of season.

Jrue is overpaid but Portland isn’t going to sign a max guy this year and have a roster of young players so they don’t really need financial flexibility. Jrue will be a valuable team leader and he is still a very good defender and a very smart offensive player who defines unselfish player.

I think both teams got what they desperately needed. Portland didn’t need to “win” this trade. They needed to get rid of Simons and they needed a veteran. They got a 2 time champ, a selfless teammate, a community leader and as good a role model as there is in NBA. He may be overpaid but he will produce for a couple of more years.

I see this as a win-win trade.

It’s a lot easier to say Portland got robbed than it is for people to admit their evaluation of Jrue’s trade value was wrong.

No one got robbed. Simons sucks

[kodo]

GM Joe Cronin desperately needs a winning season. 106-199 (34%) record as the Blazers GM.

I think Portland will keep Jrue to start the season.

Jrue Holiday
Shaedon Sharpe
Jerami Grant
Deni Avdija
Deandre Ayton

Portland is also finally officially for sale and a new owner wants upward pointing metrics, not a blatant tank job for the next 5 years.
When a new owner takes over a team they all want to win immediately: Prokhorov, Ballmer, Ishbia, etc..

[tamaraw08]

What’s Portland doing?

wasting $ to stay above salary floor?

[Moose]

8-)

Only on the internet are people crying over 2nd round picks. For every Jokic there’s like 20 a year that no one can ever name. Let it go! I think both teams got what they wanted. Ready to see Shaedon go off now that this chucker is off the team.

Second round picks are more valuable now under this new CBA.

Then just sign some undrafted player or pay a few million and buy 1. It ain’t that deep the way yall carry on like there are exactly 60 players that enter the NBA draft every year and it’s outlawed to not sign someone that’s not drafted.

1st round picks have a cap hold, second round picks do not.

Also:

"Second-round picks in the NBA do not count against the team's salary cap until the end of July in the player's first season. The NBA has a Second-Round Pick Exception that allows teams to sign their second-round selections to contracts without those salaries impacting the cap until the end of the summer.

No Immediate Cap Hit:

When a team drafts a player in the second round, their salary does not immediately count against the team's salary cap.

Second-Round Pick Exception:

This exception allows teams to sign their second-round picks to contracts that can range from the rookie minimum to the maximum contract amount for a player with two years of NBA experience, without the salary immediately counting against the cap.

Cap Impact After July 31:

The salary of a second-round pick will begin counting against the team's cap on July 31 of the player's first season.

Flexibility for Teams:

This exception provides teams with more flexibility in free agency, as they can secure their second-rounders while still having cap space to pursue other free agents."

This is why they are important for teams like Boston, the Knicks, etc.

[JujitsuFlip]

Could this be worked into a Jrue to the Cavs for Garland somehow? That would make the Cavs more formidable in the weak East and Portland would then have basically upgraded Simons into Garland.

Cavs are not trading their 25 year old All-Star PG for a 35 year old Jrue with 3 years left on his deal.

Why does everyone want to age the Cavs by 10+ years at every position? lol

[The-Power]

Didn't Portland trade for a younger Jrue Holiday in the Dame deal, then immediately trade him for Malcolm Brogdon? Now they give up a 26 year old fringe all-star talent for 35 year old Jrue? lol

Not sure who you're talking about but I know it can't be Simons.

[Effigy]

I can't wait until the next owner clears out our front office.

Didn't Portland trade for a younger Jrue Holiday in the Dame deal, then immediately trade him for Malcolm Brogdon? Now they give up a 26 year old fringe all-star talent for 35 year old Jrue? lol

Not sure who you're talking about but I know it can't be Simons.

Yeah, that's a little too far. At the end of the day, the player we gave up is a good sparkplug off the bench type, but nothing special. It's not a big deal to lose him but it's concerning to keep clearly losing trades and shows that our front office has no idea what it's doing.

[Pattycakes]

Didn't Portland trade for a younger Jrue Holiday in the Dame deal, then immediately trade him for Malcolm Brogdon? Now they give up a 26 year old fringe all-star talent for 35 year old Jrue? lol

Not sure who you're talking about but I know it can't be Simons.

Whatever let em think we got fleeced when clearly Simons had nearly bottom floor value. At least we got someone valuable to take playoff minutes.

[keobulls]

Could this be worked into a Jrue to the Cavs for Garland somehow? That would make the Cavs more formidable in the weak East and Portland would then have basically upgraded Simons into Garland.

Cavs are not trading their 25 year old All-Star PG for a 35 year old Jrue with 3 years left on his deal.

Why does everyone want to age the Cavs by 10+ years at every position? lol

Well it obviously wouldn't just be a one for one, that's why I said "could" and "somehow". The Cavs just got embarrassed in the playoffs and are rumored to be looking to move Garland because it just doesn't work with him and Mitchell in the postseason. Jrue would bring everything the Cavs were (and still are) lacking: POA defense, more perimeter size, experience, and toughness. I would guarantee that the Vegas odds for the Cavs would jump up the minute they replaced Garland with Holiday.

[BlazersBroncos]

Didn't Portland trade for a younger Jrue Holiday in the Dame deal, then immediately trade him for Malcolm Brogdon? Now they give up a 26 year old fringe all-star talent for 35 year old Jrue? lol

Not sure who you're talking about but I know it can't be Simons.

The talk of Simons being some star waiting to be unlocked and Holiday being some washed scrub is a testament to how much we overplay a athletes age. The below is taking the 'just in his prime' Simons vs the 'washed and old' Holiday in comparison - 24/25 -

Simons
WS48 0.87
OBPM 1.5
DBPM -1.5
USG 24.6
ORTg 115
DRTg 119
OnCourt per 100 Poss -5.0 *** Only Ayton / Grant worse of players w/ 800+ minutes played ***
On/Off per 100 Poss -4.2 *** Only Ayton / Grant worse of players w/ 800+ minutes played ***

Holiday
WS48 .130
OBPM -0.3
DBPM 1.0
USG 15.8
ORTg 121
DRTg 113
OnCourt per 100 Poss +8.7
On/Off per 100 Poss -0.7

I highlight the above Simons stats to push home the fact all Blazers fans know - the team was simply better when not playing the vets. Ayton, Simons and now Grant (Who was decent in the past) all sucked ass last year. Simons MIGHT become a Jamal Crawford type guy if he buys into the bench - but even then he is still a guy who can shoot and score, doesnt get to the line and is absolutley horrendous on defense. Simons in the playoffs will be interesting - I have long thought he was too soft / frail to elevate when the game is important and the play gets bumpy. He is easily pushed around.

[ConSarnit]

Unless we're flipping him (again), I don't get this trade.

I think Portland is gonna flip jrue, again.

Like that is fine if you can absorb his salary and get young assets, but Jrue by himself is negative value and they gave up expiring and picks. If Jrue could be flipped for value, why didnt the Celtics just do it in the first place? Its not like Simons is a guy they want?

I would guess that POR plan is to flip him again but I don’t think it’s going to work this time.

First flip: Jrue was 33 and just coming off an all-star and 1st team all D season

Now: Jrue is 35, clearly in decline and is owed $34m per for 3 more seasons

I don’t think Jrue has positive value anymore. His play has slipped and his contract is too long. I’d be very surprised if POR can flip him for value. If they plan on keeping him that’s a mistake too imo.

[tamaraw08]

Could this be worked into a Jrue to the Cavs for Garland somehow? That would make the Cavs more formidable in the weak East and Portland would then have basically upgraded Simons into Garland.

Cavs are not trading their 25 year old All-Star PG for a 35 year old Jrue with 3 years left on his deal.

Why does everyone want to age the Cavs by 10+ years at every position? lol

Maybe because Garland is such a disappointment in the playoffs?
His apologists would readily say it's because he is legitimately injured but the guy has a career playoff ave of 17 pts, 5 assists to 3 turnovers, under 43FG% AND 35% 3pt% when he plays.

[ConSarnit]

I understand why people think Portland got robbed but I think this trade is less lopsided. Simons is not that good. He can score, but 6-3 200lb shooting guards forced to play PG are a dime a dozen. He doesn’t have great value around the league and is on an expiring contract so he walks at end of season.

Jrue is overpaid but Portland isn’t going to sign a max guy this year and have a roster of young players so they don’t really need financial flexibility. Jrue will be a valuable team leader and he is still a very good defender and a very smart offensive player who defines unselfish player.

I think both teams got what they desperately needed. Portland didn’t need to “win” this trade. They needed to get rid of Simons and they needed a veteran. They got a 2 time champ, a selfless teammate, a community leader and as good a role model as there is in NBA. He may be overpaid but he will produce for a couple of more years.

I see this as a win-win trade.

It’s a lot easier to say Portland got robbed than it is for people to admit their evaluation of Jrue’s trade value was wrong.

No one got robbed. Simons sucks

POR clearly lost this trade. Yeah, Simons has issues but taking on 3 more years of a declining Jrue and having to give up 2nds to do so? POR would have been better off just letting Simons expire.

[ConSarnit]

Could this be worked into a Jrue to the Cavs for Garland somehow? That would make the Cavs more formidable in the weak East and Portland would then have basically upgraded Simons into Garland.

Cavs are not trading their 25 year old All-Star PG for a 35 year old Jrue with 3 years left on his deal.

Why does everyone want to age the Cavs by 10+ years at every position? lol

Maybe because Garland is such a disappointment in the playoffs?
His apologists would readily say it's because he is legitimately injured but the guy has a career playoff ave of 17 pts, 5 assists to 3 turnovers, under 43FG% AND 35% 3pt% when he plays.

You can say Garland has been disappointing but that’s still no reason to trade him for a declining 35 year old who is owed $100m+.

If we’re going off playoff results Jrue just averaged 10/4/4 while not being elite defensively. You want to trade your all-star PG for that guy?

[liquidswords]

Every year I have a "stupid idiot" trade where both teams lose. This might be my stupid idiot trade of 2025. Simons is so redundant with Brown and Pritchard. And who does POR think they are? Is this move signaling they want to make the playoffs next year?

[Karate Diop]

Could this be worked into a Jrue to the Cavs for Garland somehow? That would make the Cavs more formidable in the weak East and Portland would then have basically upgraded Simons into Garland.

Cavs are not trading their 25 year old All-Star PG for a 35 year old Jrue with 3 years left on his deal.

Why does everyone want to age the Cavs by 10+ years at every position? lol

It's not about aging them, it's about giving them a backbone. Which we saw they didn't haven't when push came to shove.

[tamaraw08]

Didn't Portland trade for a younger Jrue Holiday in the Dame deal, then immediately trade him for Malcolm Brogdon? Now they give up a 26 year old fringe all-star talent for 35 year old Jrue? lol

Not sure who you're talking about but I know it can't be Simons.

The talk of Simons being some star waiting to be unlocked and Holiday being some washed scrub is a testament to how much we overplay a athletes age. The below is taking the 'just in his prime' Simons vs the 'washed and old' Holiday in comparison - 24/25 -


OnCourt per 100 Poss -5.0 *** Only Ayton / Grant worse of players w/ 800+ minutes played ***
On/Off per 100 Poss -4.2 *** Only Ayton / Grant worse of players w/ 800+ minutes played ***


OnCourt per 100 Poss +8.7
On/Off per 100 Poss -0.7

I highlight the above Simons stats to push home the fact all Blazers fans know - the team was simply better when not playing the vets. Ayton, Simons and now Grant (Who was decent in the past) all sucked ass last year. Simons MIGHT become a Jamal Crawford type guy if he buys into the bench - but even then he is still a guy who can shoot and score, doesnt get to the line and is absolutley horrendous on defense. Simons in the playoffs will be interesting - I have long thought he was too soft / frail to elevate when the game is important and the play gets bumpy. He is easily pushed around.

I think the trade is mostly about Boston saving $40 Million in luxury taxes.
Just when I thought that Brad Stevens is trapped in the corner with that very expensive bill with aging players, he found a sucker who is willing to absorb a 35 yr old who has career ave of 16pts,6 assist and 4 rebs that will pay him 37 mil when he turns 37.
Yes, he plays great defense but who is going to carry the scoring load for Portland, Scoot, Sharpe,?
And oh btw, Boston is ALSO getting 2 SRP's from Portland? OMG.