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[HeatFanLifer]

War is over. Let’s get back to basketball.

Yeah that won't be happening...people have agendas to push and plenty more whining left to do .

Maybe on Twitter. On here I just think people are posting their perspective based on the information they see. I am trying to bring some counter-points of information I view as not the truth to get more people on the same page of facts with which to form an opinion. If I made one person think twice about information they hold, then I view it as a success.

[ZoStrong]

Call me Libertarian, but I see no value in a “max contract” for the league. There should be no max contract. If I am any superstar in the league I would be pissed at the premise of a max contract. Max contract according to whom? A deal worked out by the union? I can see in the value of a salary cap, given that teams needs to make a profit too in order to keep running. But what value does a max contract provide other than a team saying “hey we can only pay you this amount and no one else can even pay you that much due to the CBA.” Why would elite talent agree to that, yet complain when their play deteriorates that they aren’t getting paid enough?

The max contract is to save the stupid owners from making stupid mistakes. And a lot of owners are stupid, lol. They are all billionaires and wanna get the shiniest toys on the market and bid up the price like crazy.

[ZoStrong]

What can ya say. Have to accept we’re an occupied country and that bending the knee to Israel comes first

This bs again? It’s not like Iran chants death to america every damn day. Trump saw a threat and eliminated it. Time will tell whether it was the right choice, but if anything Israel worked for Trump in this capacity.

What threat? His own intelligence said Iran isn't capable of making the nukes rn. Then changed the story. Iran is nothing to the mighty American military power. So, why a preemptive attack? Imo, it's to distract the things going on the mainland, i.e. tarrifs, ICE raiding schools n Home Depot. Occupying California w military, and Epstein files. They all disappeared for the moment from the main pages for now. Iran immediately waved the white flag w that face-saving "retaliatory" attacks on an empty US base cuz they let everyone know before the bombing, lol.

[Vertical Limit]

Looks like Iran and Israel decided, thats enough damage on their respective countries.. they dont want to set their countries back 100 years.

Hopefully it is over. And l am sure Trump has already patted himself on the back he loves to take credit for evrrything but this time, he deserves it.

Back to America. Celebrate this by Removing those dumb ass tarriffs.

[ZoStrong]

Looks like Iran and Israel decided, thats enough damage on their respective countries.. they dont want to set their countries back 100 years.

Hopefully it is over. And l am sure Trump has already patted himself on the back he loves to take credit for evrrything but this time, he deserves it.

Back to America. Celebrate this by Removing those dumb ass tarriffs.

We shall see about the tariffs. The math doesn't work without tarrifs to offset the huge deficit that his "big beautiful" bill will create. Trillions of added debts over next 10 years.. The Republican party thinks the tarrifs can bring in the revenue to offset the debt. BUT who's paying the tarrifs? Ofc, us, the average middle class America will take the heavy burden. So, basically taxing us to give the top 1% trillions more. Nice, lol

[contract]

Looks like Iran and Israel decided, thats enough damage on their respective countries.. they dont want to set their countries back 100 years.

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The two countries are 500 miles apart. Neither could sustain this for long. Israeli jets need maintenance. Israel and the US only have so many interceptors. Iran only has so many missiles that can reach Israel.

Israel was hoping the Iranian people would topple their own government. That hasn't happened.

[HeatFanLifer]

What can ya say. Have to accept we’re an occupied country and that bending the knee to Israel comes first

This bs again? It’s not like Iran chants death to america every damn day. Trump saw a threat and eliminated it. Time will tell whether it was the right choice, but if anything Israel worked for Trump in this capacity.

What threat? His own intelligence said Iran isn't capable of making the nukes rn. Then changed the story.

I dunno bro I aint Trump. Do you have access to the information he has? Please share on this basketball forum. You are saying things as fact that are your opinion shaped by whatever propanganda you are reading. Thanks.

[HeatFanLifer]

Myself included

[Shewasfly]

Iran allowed Nuclear testers to verify they were enriching Uranium solely for Power? Iran has been flexing their muscles for a while now threatening much of the middle east. I wonder why Biden didn't work out an agreement with them?

The Biden administration has stated it will not allow Iran to develop a nuclear weapon, and there have been reports of discussions within the administration about options if Iran takes steps towards weaponization. Following Iran's October 2024 missile attack on Israel, Biden condemned the attack and stated that the US was committed to Israel's defense. He also stated that the US would not hesitate to take all necessary action to hold those who enable or support Iran's attacks accountable.

Biden discussed plans to strike Iran nuclear sites if Tehran speeds toward bomb

https://www.axios.com/2025/01/02/iran-nuclear-weapon-biden-white-house

There is no new agreement to work out if Trump does not pull out of the HISTORIC AGREEMENT that Obama made. What don't you understand?

And your understanding of the geopolitical situation you're trying to speak on is horribly inaccurate to begin with. The original agreement rapidly decelerated their production. Can't tell if you're lying or you just didn't bother to research at all before speaking about this. Here, watch this:

https://www.instagram.com/sully_dawg2/reel/DLL42EpRWV8/

And why is your entire post about Joe Biden when Donald Trump is the president and he is the one who just bombed Iran without congressional approval?

I understand that Iran has continued to be a hostile nation not only against Israel but many middle eastern countries. This wasn't one man making a decision, but a nation. Iran was going to get bombed at some point while even Biden had talked about. How hard is that to understand?

If they continue to threaten to destroy their enemies while still secretly working towards a bomb, that is a threat to everyone including their allies. I am just surprised this didn't happen sooner.

Which nation made the decision? I guess you mean Israel? And then Trump did what he was told after that.

And its weird that you keep trying to make words mean different things than they do. "Talked about" is not the same as doing. The Miami Heat apparently talked a lot about getting KD here. What actually happened?

Here is what actually happened when situations like this were presented to Biden:

Biden tells Netanyahu US will not participate in any counter-strike against Iran

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/14/politics/biden-netanyahu-israel-iran-response

And we of course all know that this started with Israel bombing Iran to begin with. So your misrepresentation of Iran "threatening to destroy" and "being hostile" is noted as the misrepresentation it is.

[HeatFanLifer]

And we of course all know that this started with Israel bombing Iran to begin with. So your misrepresentation of Iran "threatening to destroy" and "being hostile" is noted as the misrepresentation it is.

You are aware that Iran shot hundreds of missiles and launch numerous drones at Israel prior to June 2025 correct? Not just through its proxies, I am talking about the actual country.

[Shewasfly]

And we of course all know that this started with Israel bombing Iran to begin with. So your misrepresentation of Iran "threatening to destroy" and "being hostile" is noted as the misrepresentation it is.

You are aware that Iran shot hundreds of missiles and launch numerous drones at Israel prior to June 2025 correct? Not just through its proxies, I am talking about the actual country.

Yes, and Israel was definitely sitting idly by.

Point is, its something every other president has been able to stay out of. We have a moron in chief who decided to bomb on Israel's behalf and escalated this. Now we have his cult members making up their own facts about how it would have happened regardless and talking about former presidents and even presidential candidates rather than deal with the reality at hand.

[HeatFanLifer]

And we of course all know that this started with Israel bombing Iran to begin with. So your misrepresentation of Iran "threatening to destroy" and "being hostile" is noted as the misrepresentation it is.

You are aware that Iran shot hundreds of missiles and launch numerous drones at Israel prior to June 2025 correct? Not just through its proxies, I am talking about the actual country.

Yes, and Israel was definitely sitting idly by.

Point is, its something every other president has been able to stay out of. We have a moron in chief who decided to bomb on Israel's behalf and escalated this. Now we have his cult members making up their own facts about how it would have happened regardless and talking about former presidents and even presidential candidates rather than deal with the reality at hand.

You say it started with Israel bombing Iran, yet acknowledge there were ballistic missiles shot at Isradl before Israel bombed them.

You say Trump bombed on Israel’s behalf and escalated this, yet there’s a ceasefire in effect and Trump told Israeli planes to turn around as they were on the way to retaliate for missiles fired after the ceasefire started.

I am not seeing rationality here in your logic. What am I missing?

[Shewasfly]

You are aware that Iran shot hundreds of missiles and launch numerous drones at Israel prior to June 2025 correct? Not just through its proxies, I am talking about the actual country.

Yes, and Israel was definitely sitting idly by.

Point is, its something every other president has been able to stay out of. We have a moron in chief who decided to bomb on Israel's behalf and escalated this. Now we have his cult members making up their own facts about how it would have happened regardless and talking about former presidents and even presidential candidates rather than deal with the reality at hand.

You say it started with Israel bombing Iran, yet acknowledge there were ballistic missiles shot at Isradl before Israel bombed them.

You say Trump bombed on Israel’s behalf and escalated this, yet there’s a ceasefire in effect and Trump told Israeli planes to turn around as they were on the way to retaliate for missiles fired after the ceasefire started.

I am not seeing rationality here in your logic. What am I missing?

Your reading comprehension it would seem.

I literally never acknowledged anything about ballistic missiles being shot at Israel before Israel bombed them. You (and AIPAC) made that up to excuse the actual act of aggression by Israel. But since you are making the claim that directly proceeding Israel bombing Iran, Iran shot ballistic missiles at Israel, please provide your sources.

There is literally no ceasefire happening and it has been the talk all morning/afternoon. Even your dear leader has acknowledge this. Israel literally just bombed Tehran again. What are you talking about?

Also, once more, because I notice you keep continuing to try to avoid talking about Trump's actions. From talking about Harris and Biden and Obama, to now talking about Israel. Trump made the decision to bomb Iran. Other presidents, even in recent years, have not been dumb enough to do it.

Biden tells Netanyahu US will not participate in any counter-strike against Iran

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/14/politics/biden-netanyahu-israel-iran-response

Trump was dumb enough, and now the entire situation is escalated. Focus on that.

[HeatFanLifer]

Yes, and Israel was definitely sitting idly by.

Point is, its something every other president has been able to stay out of. We have a moron in chief who decided to bomb on Israel's behalf and escalated this. Now we have his cult members making up their own facts about how it would have happened regardless and talking about former presidents and even presidential candidates rather than deal with the reality at hand.

You say it started with Israel bombing Iran, yet acknowledge there were ballistic missiles shot at Isradl before Israel bombed them.

You say Trump bombed on Israel’s behalf and escalated this, yet there’s a ceasefire in effect and Trump told Israeli planes to turn around as they were on the way to retaliate for missiles fired after the ceasefire started.

I am not seeing rationality here in your logic. What am I missing?

Your reading comprehension it would seem.

I literally never acknowledged anything about ballistic missiles being shot at Israel before Israel bombed them. You (and AIPAC) made that up to excuse the actual act of aggression by Israel. But since you are making the claim that directly proceeding Israel bombing Iran, Iran shot ballistic missiles at Israel, please provide your sources.

There is literally no ceasefire happening and it has been the talk all morning/afternoon. Even your dear leader has acknowledge this. Israel literally just bombed Tehran again. What are you talking about?

Also, once more, because I notice you keep continuing to try to avoid talking about Trump's actions. From talking about Harris and Biden and Obama, to now talking about Israel. Trump made the decision to bomb Iran. Other presidents, even in recent years, have not been dumb enough to do it.

Biden tells Netanyahu US will not participate in any counter-strike against Iran

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/14/politics/biden-netanyahu-israel-iran-response

Trump was dumb enough, and now the entire situation is escalated. Focus on that.

I made up that Iran shot ballistic missiles at Israel?

I didn’t realize that I had this sort of propaganda power.

What the **** am I doing posting on a basketball forum? I should be faking another moon landing and raking in all that money. Thanks for the perspective.

[SerialChiller]

War is over. Let’s get back to basketball.

Yeah that won't be happening...people have agendas to push and plenty more whining left to do .

Maybe on Twitter. On here I just think people are posting their perspective based on the information they see. I am trying to bring some counter-points of information I view as not the truth to get more people on the same page of facts with which to form an opinion. If I made one person think twice about information they hold, then I view it as a success.

In a few cases that's an extremely generous way to put it lol. Some only see what they want to see, and stubbornly continue to post nonsense here where it doesn't belong for a reason. I agree that most are here respectfully in good faith doing as you say, but there are a few who are using the whole civil and informative debate guise as a false pretense. They talk about cults, suggest people who disagree with them are racist bigots/horrible people, and laughably provide CNN links while dismissing Fox claiming they make misinformation a science.

Then have the audacity to talk about others being disingenuous while hilariously lacking the self awareness to realize they themselves are passing off sources full of half truths and biased spins as facts. Their hateful, combative, and self righteous overtones are often clearly evident through thinly veiled attempts at being subtle as if it disguises their obvious contempt.

[Shewasfly]

You say it started with Israel bombing Iran, yet acknowledge there were ballistic missiles shot at Isradl before Israel bombed them.

You say Trump bombed on Israel’s behalf and escalated this, yet there’s a ceasefire in effect and Trump told Israeli planes to turn around as they were on the way to retaliate for missiles fired after the ceasefire started.

I am not seeing rationality here in your logic. What am I missing?

Your reading comprehension it would seem.

I literally never acknowledged anything about ballistic missiles being shot at Israel before Israel bombed them. You (and AIPAC) made that up to excuse the actual act of aggression by Israel. But since you are making the claim that directly proceeding Israel bombing Iran, Iran shot ballistic missiles at Israel, please provide your sources.

There is literally no ceasefire happening and it has been the talk all morning/afternoon. Even your dear leader has acknowledge this. Israel literally just bombed Tehran again. What are you talking about?

Also, once more, because I notice you keep continuing to try to avoid talking about Trump's actions. From talking about Harris and Biden and Obama, to now talking about Israel. Trump made the decision to bomb Iran. Other presidents, even in recent years, have not been dumb enough to do it.

Biden tells Netanyahu US will not participate in any counter-strike against Iran

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/14/politics/biden-netanyahu-israel-iran-response

Trump was dumb enough, and now the entire situation is escalated. Focus on that.

I made up that Iran shot ballistic missiles at Israel?

I didn’t realize that I had this sort of propaganda power.

What the **** am I doing posting on a basketball forum? I should be faking another moon landing and raking in all that money. Thanks for the perspective.

See this is why I said it's reading comprehension that is missing.

You said: "You say it started with Israel bombing Iran, yet acknowledge there were ballistic missiles shot at Isradl before Israel bombed them."

Which means I both said that Israel started with bombing Iran AND also acknowledged there were ballistic missiles shot as Israel before they bombed back.

I said, I never acknowledged that. Its something you said and I'd like to see your sources. You have now interpreted that as me saying you invented the propaganda yourself for some reason.

Hopefully it really is just reading comprehension and not purposefully manipulating and spinning what I'm saying into a strawman you can easily knockdown/dismiss. That's something Fox News has made into a science over decades now, but I don't think that just because that's where you may get your news you automatically are that disingenuous.

[HeatFanLifer]

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Was happy to have a discussion with you until you personally attacked me. I attacked your logic. There’s a difference. Ima go back to making propaganda about Tupac walking down the streets of LA.

[Shewasfly]

:evil:

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Was happy to have a discussion with you until you personally attacked me.

Never happened. Please realize we're not the only ones that can read the exchange between us lol

You: I'm not seeing rationality in your logic. What am I missing?
Me: Your reading comprehension it would seem.

You got back exactly what you gave.

You suddenly got "personally attacked" when you needed an exit after I asked you to post sources for your assertion.

As always, never trying to change a Trump supporter's mind, just trying to combat the misinformation.

Toodles.

[BadMofoPimp]

Trump Derangement syndrome is just like the righties Biden Derangement Syndrome. Your Dog pooped in my yard because of Trump!!! Baby was born on a Friday because of Trump!!!

FYI. I can't stand both Trump and Biden with most Democrats and Republicans to boot. They are all crooks looking to get their sheep enraged to do their dirty work for them! There are a few good ones in both parties who actually do their job sometimes.

[ZoStrong]

This bs again? It’s not like Iran chants death to america every damn day. Trump saw a threat and eliminated it. Time will tell whether it was the right choice, but if anything Israel worked for Trump in this capacity.

What threat? His own intelligence said Iran isn't capable of making the nukes rn. Then changed the story.

I dunno bro I aint Trump. Do you have access to the information he has? Please share on this basketball forum. You are saying things as fact that are your opinion shaped by whatever propanganda you are reading. Thanks.

You do know that he's the only president that stopped getting the daily briefing because it was early morning and it's was boring n hard for him to keep up w all different countries and foreign names. This is a fact. He likes to sleep late binge tweeting and watching TV that his team had to schedule all his meetings in the afternoon. Do some research if you think this is all propaganda. I'm not all anti-one party.

I'll bet that the intelligence agency are more up to what's going on than he does, because it's what they do daily. Where does Trump get the info that would contridict his own appointed intelligence team? And if two sides say different things at a given moment, I'll go w the intelligence than the "they eat dogs and cats" guy. If you think this is not a logical conclusion but a propaganda, idk where your head is at?