ATL - Fox Extension 4/229

[worthlessBucks]

Holiday was threatening retirement just a few years ago. I don’t see why that wouldn’t be on the cards again. His contract should not have been easily moveable and certainly should not have had assets going the other way in any such deal.

[Profound23]

I dont think the Celtics will extend Simons, doesn't really make much sense. They will likely have to attach a first or two to shed his salary for much less salary back

At the rate this is going they will attach him to Porzingis and someone will overpay for the two in order to help them even more. F*** this league man.

[JRoy]

This was a Billups move. He needs to have a winning season and wants a veteran leader he can trust. (and D up opposing PG's).

Classic case of a coach wanting his guy. Boston found the sucker who wanted Jrue at that money and somehow Brad Stevens got a useful player and draft picks out of it.

You might be right. Billups might see some of himself in Jrue, see him as a sort of coach on the floor,

Or he might be moved.

He might be moved. The problem with flipping houses is it only is profitable when you acquire the property under resale value. If you pay more than market price, you probably are going to take a loss.

The fear among fans is that the FO has misplaced confidence in the teams ability to win in the playoffs.

Most fans think this pie is half baked at best and needs a star player (and probably more) to strive for a playoff berth.

[DingleJerry]

Speaking of Jerami Grant, what's with this sect of Bucks' fans who are desperate to acquire his terrible contract? Joe Cronin burners?

I assume Grant comes with the Bucks swaps and pick attached.

Speaking of Jerami Grant, what's with this sect of Bucks' fans who are desperate to acquire his terrible contract? Joe Cronin burners?

Wouldn't say anyone is desperate to acquire it. It's almost always discussed in a way to get off Dame's contract for someone who can at least play this season, plays a position of need, is younger, etc. Its essentially just looking for another large bad contract that can line up with Dames

The contract extends at least a year beyond Dame's, screwing w/ our earlier FA plans. And there's a better chance Dame doesn't pick up his player option/re-structures + is useful on the back end due to his class. We know what Grant is, and he's only getting worse.

I saw a Jrue/Grant for Dame proposal, from a Bucks' fan!, and my jaw almost hit the floor. I'm seeing them w/out picks attached. And I don't think we should be in that mode anyways, in a win now/retool, not rebuild.

Yea there's negatives, and there is with Dame too. Its basically finding the least bad situation. Thats not people being "Desperate to acquire". If I read correctly, the other quote you have there is a bucks poster but he's asking to be paid to take Grant. Again, that's not "desperate to acquire".

Then add in that he plays a position that we've been trying to find for years now, can actually play next season, possibility that last season for him was bad due to not caring on a tank (he was fine the year before), and it leads to a discussion on what it might entail to make it worth it, would they give us our picks back, other picks, etc. That's not desperate. No Bucks fans is rubbing their hands together thinking "how do we get Jerami GRant, he's awesome and the missing piece"

Also, clearing cap for FA is kinda useless at this point. The far more common way to acquire higher paid players is having contracts to match.

[soxperry]

You might be right. Billups might see some of himself in Jrue, see him as a sort of coach on the floor,

Or he might be moved.

He might be moved. The problem with flipping houses is it only is profitable when you acquire the property under resale value. If you pay more than market price, you probably are going to take a loss.

The fear among fans is that the FO has misplaced confidence in the teams ability to win in the playoffs.

Most fans think this pie is half baked at best and needs a star player (and probably more) to strive for a playoff berth.

I don't think anyone has talked about the fact that you just created a larger salary slot so if you wanted to spend some of your draft assets to trade for a star player and surround him with your defense you could now do that

[Ron Swanson]

If anything the Jrue trade should illustrate why this idea of paying to "dump" Dame's contract at its lowest is so short-sighted and antithetical to everything we should be doing. Teams valuations of good, older players don't wildly swing as much as a lot of us like to believe, and that's also true for the inverse type of player (Kuzma, LaVine). It's why Jimmy had a market even though he did everything to sabotage his trade value. It's why Brook will still be a sought after free agent, etc., etc.

[Dick Tate]

Those Bucks trash to NO for Murray and Bucks picks TIs can now be put to bed.

[Frank Nova]

Gotta feel for Jrue a little bit. He says he wants to be a Buck and they trade him, he says he wants to stick it out in Boston and they trade him across the country to Portland. He just seems to poison pill himself by trying to be loyal. Weird dynamic imo. He’s got 2 rings, an illustrious NBA career and is a happy family man so I don’t feel too bad for him but it’s still the principle of the matter for me. I guess I just will always have that soft spot for him. I wanted him back in Milwaukee for better or worse, I guess that ship has sailed.

[Dick Tate]

You might be right. Billups might see some of himself in Jrue, see him as a sort of coach on the floor,

Or he might be moved.

He might be moved. The problem with flipping houses is it only is profitable when you acquire the property under resale value. If you pay more than market price, you probably are going to take a loss.

The fear among fans is that the FO has misplaced confidence in the teams ability to win in the playoffs.

Most fans think this pie is half baked at best and needs a star player (and probably more) to strive for a playoff berth.

Maybe they figure if they piss off the fans, it'll make the move to Seattle go a little smoother.

[msiris]

Jrue is washed. Lol. Portlnd is dumb.

People keep insinuating that but I don't think that's true.

He simply overpaid. But on a team without any supermax players it kind of works.

No way would I risk bringing him back at that salary. The past is the past. Good luck in portland Jrue.

[th87]

Jrue is really well respected around the league but like 15+ other teams are forced to add draft capital to get off his contract. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than smart.

Some GMs are idiots who knew people.

Or this is just straight up corruption.

Or both.

[JRoy]

He might be moved. The problem with flipping houses is it only is profitable when you acquire the property under resale value. If you pay more than market price, you probably are going to take a loss.

The fear among fans is that the FO has misplaced confidence in the teams ability to win in the playoffs.

Most fans think this pie is half baked at best and needs a star player (and probably more) to strive for a playoff berth.

Maybe they figure if they piss off the fans, it'll make the move to Seattle go a little smoother.

SEA should get the next expansion team.

[Dick Tate]

SEA should get the next expansion team.

If there's expansion, sure. I'm running with the assumption that the owners aren't going to split the pie.

[midranger]

Simons for Kuzma?

[Ron Swanson]

Simons for Kuzma?

Don't tempt Horst when you know he's gonna feel the need to throw in a 2032 pick swap just to get this done....

[soxperry]

SEA should get the next expansion team.

If there's expansion, sure. I'm running with the assumption that the owners aren't going to split the pie.

Owners get a big bag of cash for expansion teams though. Its definitely happening.

[ajb905]

With the Midds/Kuzma trade as a template, how many picks/swaps would Horst given to get out of Jrue's contract if he was Boston's GM?

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Holiday was threatening retirement just a few years ago. I don’t see why that wouldn’t be on the cards again. His contract should not have been easily moveable and certainly should not have had assets going the other way in any such deal.

How many guys walk away from 100m? I don't think anyone took the retirement talk seriously. And even from a charity standpoint, he gets a lot more pull as current NBA player then former NBA player.

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