2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (Wow this is fun!)

[jfs1000d]

Am I the only one that just realized Zeke Najji and Naji Marshall are two different guys?

Who?


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[djFan71]

Not sure if it works on ATL’s end (or Boston’s downstream either) but the one that popped in my head was Simons to ATL for Terrance Mann.

Saves another $10M plus gets the guy on the longer term contract Brad loves. Idk though Boston might not be able to handle Mann’s longer term money.

Plus seems like getting Simons down to a sub 10M would be ideal but who knows he could go tomorrow or at the deadline tough to say.

Though he could be a version of why I wanted PJ Washington, maybe they can make him look good and up his value for the deadline.

Yeah, ATL is always good for what ails you (cap space). I've done many a Mann trade. Even just KP for Mann/Niang and Niang goes to TPE somewhere.

Assuming Simons stays. Players in that Mann to WCJ salary range all work if that's all you take back for KP:

Mann $15.5M
Isaac $15M
Stewart $15M
PJ $14.2M
Toppin $14M
KO $13.4M,
Clarke $12.5M,
Vandy $11.6M,
Max $11M,
WCJ $10.9M
Hauser $10M - take nothing back for KP

Obviously even cheaper guys work. Different costs on all them. But all theoretically possible.
Can resign Luke for min or slightly above and duck the 2nd.

I'd think Mann would be off the table or at least until Simons goes. But they need front court and wing help bad.

Agreed. Worst case, if you did get him, it could be a save the money, fix the fit later thing. I'm already slightly worried about Scheierman minutes if Simons stays, tbh. Much less adding a guy like Mann too.

[SparringPartner]

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Sochan & #14 for Hauser

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I think I'm leaning 50.0001% to 49.9999% that Simons stays. With 10% confidence in that number.

[djFan71]

lol

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I think I'm leaning 50.0001% to 49.9999% that Simons stays. With 10% confidence in that number.

Us after draft night

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[Gant]

Keith Smith:

...it's likely Boston and Portland hold this trade and execute it as part of the new league year, league sources told
@spotrac.com.

That makes sense as the base framework is in place, but there're opportunities to expand this deal, create TPEs, etc

https://bsky.app/profile/keithsmithnba.bsky.social/post/3lsedxhnbr22z

[Shak_Celts]

You expect for Tatum to do what Durant could not? And on top of that you expect for him to be conditioned for a playoff run when he's not due back until March at the earliest?

You don't need to punt the season away but I'm giving you the spoiler in June 2025.

They ain't getting beyond the second round at best.

You expect advancements to stay the same as 6 years ago? KD was 30, JT turned 27, 4 months ago, had the surgery 2 months ago so he was practically 26.

I don’t expect anything, In just not ready for son and gloom well before we know anything!

It makes zero sense for a dude coming off a major injury to ramp up for the playoffs where he got his injury in the first place.

Tatum will be back by next playoffs I'm sure. He will be coming off the bench and minute restricted.

Why put him and his Achilles under the pressures that you're talking about? For what purpose? They're not a championship roster right now.

I don’t know much, but I do know, that if Tatum gets cleared anywhere near the start of the playoffs, he’s going to play. I don’t know the future, I know that Tatum if anyone, is going to fight to be out there any chance he can. Once the doctors say go, there is no holding back.

So, going by what you say, you’re counting on the doctors saying he won’t play. Except his own surgeon isn’t even as pessimistic as you.

[The Corey's]

You expect advancements to stay the same as 6 years ago? KD was 30, JT turned 27, 4 months ago, had the surgery 2 months ago so he was practically 26.

I don’t expect anything, In just not ready for son and gloom well before we know anything!

It makes zero sense for a dude coming off a major injury to ramp up for the playoffs where he got his injury in the first place.

Tatum will be back by next playoffs I'm sure. He will be coming off the bench and minute restricted.

Why put him and his Achilles under the pressures that you're talking about? For what purpose? They're not a championship roster right now.

I don’t know much, but I do know, that if Tatum gets cleared anywhere near the start of the playoffs, he’s going to play. I don’t know the future, I know that Tatum if anyone, is going to fight to be out there any chance he can. Once the doctors say go, there is no holding back.

So, going by what you say, you’re counting on the doctors saying he won’t play. Except his own surgeon isn’t even as pessimistic as you.

Sure. Let's ramp him from 0 to 100 for a useless playoff run. What could go wrong?

As I said. Some of you are in strong denial about the absolute **** situation we find out self in.

Use the year to clear the tax burdens. Brown will break down now that he has to be the undisputed A for the year.

Might as well go for that top 5 pick. Warriors did that when they came into injury concerns and turned it into another title they shouldn't of had.

It'll be ok guys. Gonna need for you to be patient and not demand we go for the gusto next year.

[jmr07019]

Many suitors -- Kaching! -- for Porzingis...

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Anybody but the **** Lakers (maybe toss Miami in there, too) is good by me.

Porzingis for Reaves and Knecht works for me

[Jellybeans]

The Lakers also can't take back more money than they send out in a trade, if I'm remembering correctly. So a KP to Lakers would have to be a 3-teamer, because we also can't take back more money than we send out. Then Luka and Porzingis didn't click as a pick-and-roll tandem in Dallas, but maybe they are both more interested in trying again, who knows.

I don't really want to see KP on the Lakers though, but if we can take LALs 2031 first in exchange, the Lakers will be tapped on picks they can trade...

I like Austin Reaves though.

I would think KP would be too rich for Lakers in terms of money.
They need D-Wings and i would guess cheap C who can roll to the basket and protect paint. Like someone like Claxton but he could be too expensive too for them

Why people keep saying he and Luka didnt work?
They had one of the best if not the best 2 man game in the league per points scored with pick n roll/pick and pop.
Everything changed in the bubble. Torn meniscus and just came back too fast because people though season could start around x-mas in that covid season and didnt look the same.

[flintsky21]

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Knowing how Brad operates now, he's gonna end up trading with a team that's NEVER been rumored lol

[The Corey's]

As long as it doesn't take a first round pick to unload KP then I don't care what happens there.

Use some of these useless second round picks that are piling up.

[redslastlaugh]

As long as it doesn't take a first round pick to unload KP then I don't care what happens there.

Use some of these useless second round picks that are piling up.

I like second round picks
Jalen Brunson was a 2nd round pick.
Derrick White was pick #29

[The Corey's]

As long as it doesn't take a first round pick to unload KP then I don't care what happens there.

Use some of these useless second round picks that are piling up.

I like second round picks
Jalen Brunson was a 2nd round pick.
Derrick White was pick #29

What percentage of the NBA is made up of players picked in the second round? How many of them are contributing a significant amount?

I think the second round is a farce. Yes there are gems that you find sometimes. But mostly just a bunch of g Leaguers

[Shak_Celts]

It makes zero sense for a dude coming off a major injury to ramp up for the playoffs where he got his injury in the first place.

Tatum will be back by next playoffs I'm sure. He will be coming off the bench and minute restricted.

Why put him and his Achilles under the pressures that you're talking about? For what purpose? They're not a championship roster right now.

I don’t know much, but I do know, that if Tatum gets cleared anywhere near the start of the playoffs, he’s going to play. I don’t know the future, I know that Tatum if anyone, is going to fight to be out there any chance he can. Once the doctors say go, there is no holding back.

So, going by what you say, you’re counting on the doctors saying he won’t play. Except his own surgeon isn’t even as pessimistic as you.

Sure. Let's ramp him from 0 to 100 for a useless playoff run. What could go wrong?

As I said. Some of you are in strong denial about the absolute **** situation we find out self in.

Use the year to clear the tax burdens. Brown will break down now that he has to be the undisputed A for the year.

Might as well go for that top 5 pick. Warriors did that when they came into injury concerns and turned it into another title they shouldn't of had.

It'll be ok guys. Gonna need for you to be patient and not demand we go for the gusto next year.

I’m not trying to go for the gusto, I’m simply not counting the season as a loss just because you are.

Now, it also hinges on the moves Brad makes, but even then, I won’t count us out of playing well enough for Tatum to come back.

I’m not even sure they could keep him out UNLESS we miss the playoffs entirely. This is Tatum we’re talking about, the same guy who missed less games than anyone since his draft, IIRC.

If Brad doesn’t do something drastic, I’m not betting against a JB led team in the regular season. They could pull off a top 4 seed and I wouldn’t bat an eye. Look at what Cavs did only to become duds in the second round. We don’t even need to be nearly that good and get top 4. The last 2 seasons we have been very good without Tatum, even if we aren’t as good as that record we’ll probably be looking at top 4/5ish.

Again, this hinges on the moves Brad makes.

[redslastlaugh]

Analytically, over 20% of the top 40 (9/40) win producing players in this playoffs were not picked in the first.

The 9 guys not drafted 1st round are:
Nikola Jokic
Isaiah Hartenstein
Alex Caruso
Andrew Nembhard
Jalen Brunson
Gary Trent Jr
Max Strus
Mitch Robinson
Lu Dort

(and Jimmy Butler, Josh Hart and Derrick White were picked 29 or 30.)
https://neilpaine.substack.com/p/2024-25-nba-forecast

As long as it doesn't take a first round pick to unload KP then I don't care what happens there.

Use some of these useless second round picks that are piling up.

I like second round picks
Jalen Brunson was a 2nd round pick.
Derrick White was pick #29

What percentage of the NBA is made up of players picked in the second round? How many of them are contributing a significant amount?

I think the second round is a farce. Yes there are gems that you find sometimes. But mostly just a bunch of g Leaguers

[165bows]

Atlanta could offer Okongwu and Niang for KP.

Toronto is a weird mention in that they really can’t construct a decent offer.

[phincsfan]

It makes zero sense for a dude coming off a major injury to ramp up for the playoffs where he got his injury in the first place.

Tatum will be back by next playoffs I'm sure. He will be coming off the bench and minute restricted.

Why put him and his Achilles under the pressures that you're talking about? For what purpose? They're not a championship roster right now.

I don’t know much, but I do know, that if Tatum gets cleared anywhere near the start of the playoffs, he’s going to play. I don’t know the future, I know that Tatum if anyone, is going to fight to be out there any chance he can. Once the doctors say go, there is no holding back.

So, going by what you say, you’re counting on the doctors saying he won’t play. Except his own surgeon isn’t even as pessimistic as you.

Sure. Let's ramp him from 0 to 100 for a useless playoff run. What could go wrong?

As I said. Some of you are in strong denial about the absolute **** situation we find out self in.

Use the year to clear the tax burdens. Brown will break down now that he has to be the undisputed A for the year.

Might as well go for that top 5 pick. Warriors did that when they came into injury concerns and turned it into another title they shouldn't of had.

It'll be ok guys. Gonna need for you to be patient and not demand we go for the gusto next year.

Totally agree.

People don't seem to understand the significance of an Achilles rupture.

The C's are 190mil invested in him after next season. Why risk that??

Achilles is much worse than an ACL tear.

[The Corey's]

Analytically, over 20% of the top 40 (9/40) win producing players in this playoffs were not picked in the first.

The 9 guys not drafted 1st round are:
Nikola Jokic
Isaiah Hartenstein
Alex Caruso
Andrew Nembhard
Jalen Brunson
Gary Trent Jr
Max Strus
Mitch Robinson
Lu Dort

(and Jimmy Butler, Josh Hart and Derrick White were picked 29 or 30.)
https://neilpaine.substack.com/p/2024-25-nba-forecast

I like second round picks
Jalen Brunson was a 2nd round pick.
Derrick White was pick #29

What percentage of the NBA is made up of players picked in the second round? How many of them are contributing a significant amount?

I think the second round is a farce. Yes there are gems that you find sometimes. But mostly just a bunch of g Leaguers

Math isn't my strong suit. So does that leave 80% of the top 40 being made up of first rounders?

If so. My point is made. Eliminate the second round pick. It's useless.

[WeLikeOurGuys]

KP will generate plenty of interest. I’m not buying the idea that his value is at an all-time low. The current big man market is thin, and honestly, KP might be the best big available right now.