The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3

[bwgood77]

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Well there goes the Beal for Holiday idea lol

I think I would have gone for Simons over Beal as well.

[bwgood77]

I’ve experienced exactly ONE championship of my home teams once in my lifetime. The 2001 dbacks. I have very real doubts I will experience another championship from my home teams. The Phx Suns are the reason I even got into sports in the first place and my first sports love. I have very real doubts, I will get to witness them lift a trophy in my lifetime.

Yet other fans get to witness multiple trophies of their teams. Crap ain’t fair.

Yeah, me too. Though I did grow up a Chargers fan (started when I was little before Cards moved to AZ), and it was nice seeing the D Backs win but it was a new team, so not nearly the level of fandom of others.

That Cards (who I do root for) loss to the Steelers in the SB hurt, especially with the pre-halftime play and making that huge comeback only to lose at the very end.

The only other championship one of my teams has, though not a "home" team, is the Wildcats 97 national championship, which was awesome, knocking out 3 #1 seeds. I think out of my teams, they have the best chance, though I think the Chargers under Harbaugh will get very tough over the next 2-3 years.

[bwgood77]

Real question. Is Grayson Allen an asset or will he be hard to trade? Will we get a good return or will we need to attach picks to get rid of him?

I think him and Royce have about neutral value. They are fairly paid. The question is, who needs them? I have gone through teams and I'm not sure. I liked dremill's idea yesterday with Allen and Orlando.

Though some may feel Allen is overpaid. I don't think he gets that contract unless he has that year 3pt shooting where he led the league. But we could perhaps take back some slightly overpaid guy from someone else where they have a logjam.

I doubt Dallas would do anything, but I have read a few times that playing AD with their Cs that can't stretch the floor hurts their spacing, and they were the worst 3 pt shooting team when AD played (though I think Kyrie was out some then)...but given that, maybe they would want another shooter and if they plan on playing AD at the 5 and Flagg at the 4 some, maybe they would move Gafford. Though he definitely has more value than Allen so it would probably require at least one of our firsts.

[BobbieL]

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Well there goes the Beal for Holiday idea lol

I think I would have gone for Simons over Beal as well.

I don't think Flex and Gambo were lying when they mentioned that the Bulls and Celtics inquired about Beal
But the reality is -- there were always better options unless the Suns were willing to over pay with draft capital

[bwgood77]

I can't believe - wait... yes I can - that people seriously want Beal's dead money on our cap for five more years rather than just letting him finish out his current deal. One move hurts us more than it helps, and we shouldn't have to argue about which one that is.

Look, I'm not saying I like Beal being here but it is what it is at this point and moving off of him is a worse proposition than having him stay. It's hugely unlikely he's taking a buy out. I mean.. why would he when he's openly said he likes it here?



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I don't know how much money he'd have to give up but lets say it's $10 million. I mean just think of asking a guy to give up $10 million. It's ridiculous. Sure, some say he could make some of it back but it's not guaranteed. I would not give away $1 million. I guess I'd know at worst I could get a minimum, so maybe 1 or 2 but not much more.

Then to trade assets to get rid of him....when you are the team with the worst assets in the league is ridiculously stupid...but of course, we do ridiculously stupid things.

[bwgood77]

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Well there goes the Beal for Holiday idea lol

I think I would have gone for Simons over Beal as well.

I don't think Flex and Gambo were lying when they mentioned that the Bulls and Celtics inquired about Beal
But the reality is -- there were always better options unless the Suns were willing to over pay with draft capital

I doubt anyone inquires about Beal. Ishbia probably inquires with everyone every day and maybe they said "well, would you take X back? We'll get back to you." Maybe something like that.

Also if Ishbia leaks things he is going to likely make it sound better than it is, like 28 teams would trade rosters with us.

[Dr Manute]

Who knows how good DCOldest is - but he mentions Chicago and Boston.

Chicago would be something like Vucevic, Jalen Smith (expires next y ear) or Jevon CArter (expires this year ) and PWill

Celtics - -well some dude came up with the three team I posted earlier

Celtics get Beal:
Nets: get Porz, Grayson and Hausman plus a pick from Phx and Celtics

Suns get: Clax, Jrue and other filler

I think both are about the best the Suns could do depending on draft picks involved

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Who are these random people that have inside info from Boston and Chicago. Why would Boston be interested in Beal? Seriously. Why would Chicago?

Unless we are trading one of our future firsts and they just want to trade bad contracts and pick up a first by taking the bigger contract.

How about this:

Bulls -> Beal + 1 first + 3 seconds
Suns -> Porzingis, Ball, Stix
Celtics -> Collins, Dosunmu

https://fanspo.com/nba/trades/DhOy6ShBR1EVQ7

[SkyBill40]

I can't believe - wait... yes I can - that people seriously want Beal's dead money on our cap for five more years rather than just letting him finish out his current deal. One move hurts us more than it helps, and we shouldn't have to argue about which one that is.

Look, I'm not saying I like Beal being here but it is what it is at this point and moving off of him is a worse proposition than having him stay. It's hugely unlikely he's taking a buy out. I mean.. why would he when he's openly said he likes it here?



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I don't know how much money he'd have to give up but lets say it's $10 million. I mean just think of asking a guy to give up $10 million. It's ridiculous. Sure, some say he could make some of it back but it's not guaranteed. I would not give away $1 million. I guess I'd know at worst I could get a minimum, so maybe 1 or 2 but not much more.

Then to trade assets to get rid of him....when you are the team with the worst assets in the league is ridiculously stupid...but of course, we do ridiculously stupid things.

Exactly. Unless he's truly miserable and desperate to get out, why would he give up a single penny? He's earned that money as far as the contract goes and it's not his fault the Suns don't like the fit and now have buyer's regret.

[Bogyo]

A bit bored and shoothing sht:
What do you think, if we offered Booker to SA before all this debacle, could we have walked away with the 2nd, 14th, Vassel, Barnes, Sochan and a future first and a bunch of seconds? Draft Harper, you have your PG. Trade Grayson+29 to Orlando for Goga, you have your C. Draft BPA with 14 - probably a wing (Coward? I think he is ready to contribute due to his age).
Harper/Beal/Dunn/KD/Goga - Gillespie/Vassel/Coward/O'neale/Barnes/Sochan/Osho/Richards/ not a contender but at least not a 25 win team...
Would have KD stayed? We either let him expire or S&T him in the offseason... Thats money off the books, with the O'neale contract expiring as well, and the Beal and Barnes contracts becoming expiring, and having a couple more draft picks... would have been in a much better position for next year and going forward - and I don't think thats the best offer we could have gotten for Book, if we were to stab him in the back like that... water under the bridge now, and I don't think KD would have stayed (not like he would have a choice really), and this front office doesn't have it in them anyways

[BobbieL]

I can't believe - wait... yes I can - that people seriously want Beal's dead money on our cap for five more years rather than just letting him finish out his current deal. One move hurts us more than it helps, and we shouldn't have to argue about which one that is.

Look, I'm not saying I like Beal being here but it is what it is at this point and moving off of him is a worse proposition than having him stay. It's hugely unlikely he's taking a buy out. I mean.. why would he when he's openly said he likes it here?



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I don't know how much money he'd have to give up but lets say it's $10 million. I mean just think of asking a guy to give up $10 million. It's ridiculous. Sure, some say he could make some of it back but it's not guaranteed. I would not give away $1 million. I guess I'd know at worst I could get a minimum, so maybe 1 or 2 but not much more.

Then to trade assets to get rid of him....when you are the team with the worst assets in the league is ridiculously stupid...but of course, we do ridiculously stupid things.

Exactly. Unless he's truly miserable and desperate to get out, why would he give up a single penny? He's earned that money as far as the contract goes and it's not his fault the Suns don't like the fit and now have buyer's regret.

He doesn't owe Ishbia or the Suns anything. They traded for the contract. The problem is the trade was made without understanding the CBA. And they should have read the CBA. Keeping Paul or trading Paul for say, Poole from the Warriors - would have been better for the cap

[BobbieL]

A bit bored and shoothing sht:
What do you think, if we offered Booker to SA before all this debacle, could we have walked away with the 2nd, 14th, Vassel, Barnes, Sochan and a future first and a bunch of seconds? Draft Harper, you have your PG. Trade Grayson+29 to Orlando for Goga, you have your C. Draft BPA with 14 - probably a wing (Coward? I think he is ready to contribute due to his age).
Harper/Beal/Dunn/KD/Goga - Gillespie/Vassel/Coward/O'neale/Barnes/Sochan/Osho/Richards/ not a contender but at least not a 25 win team...
Would have KD stayed? We either let him expire or S&T him in the offseason... Thats money off the books, with the O'neale contract expiring as well, and the Beal and Barnes contracts becoming expiring, and having a couple more draft picks... would have been in a much better position for next year and going forward - and I don't think thats the best offer we could have gotten for Book, if we were to stab him in the back like that... water under the bridge now, and I don't think KD would have stayed (not like he would have a choice really), and this front office doesn't have it in them anyways

I don't know the market for Booker but I have always thought the phone lines should have been open.

It might come across as stabbing in the back - but if you can improve your team chances of winning a title, isn't that the goal.

[Bogyo]

Real question. Is Grayson Allen an asset or will he be hard to trade? Will we get a good return or will we need to attach picks to get rid of him?

I think him and Royce have about neutral value. They are fairly paid. The question is, who needs them? I have gone through teams and I'm not sure. I liked dremill's idea yesterday with Allen and Orlando.

Though some may feel Allen is overpaid. I don't think he gets that contract unless he has that year 3pt shooting where he led the league. But we could perhaps take back some slightly overpaid guy from someone else where they have a logjam.

I doubt Dallas would do anything, but I have read a few times that playing AD with their Cs that can't stretch the floor hurts their spacing, and they were the worst 3 pt shooting team when AD played (though I think Kyrie was out some then)...but given that, maybe they would want another shooter and if they plan on playing AD at the 5 and Flagg at the 4 some, maybe they would move Gafford. Though he definitely has more value than Allen so it would probably require at least one of our firsts.

I would do Grayson+29 for Gafford. We desperately need a C, and its not as big of a ripoff as the KD trade Grayson+52 would be better, but not happening.

[BobbieL]

Real question. Is Grayson Allen an asset or will he be hard to trade? Will we get a good return or will we need to attach picks to get rid of him?

I think him and Royce have about neutral value. They are fairly paid. The question is, who needs them? I have gone through teams and I'm not sure. I liked dremill's idea yesterday with Allen and Orlando.

Though some may feel Allen is overpaid. I don't think he gets that contract unless he has that year 3pt shooting where he led the league. But we could perhaps take back some slightly overpaid guy from someone else where they have a logjam.

I doubt Dallas would do anything, but I have read a few times that playing AD with their Cs that can't stretch the floor hurts their spacing, and they were the worst 3 pt shooting team when AD played (though I think Kyrie was out some then)...but given that, maybe they would want another shooter and if they plan on playing AD at the 5 and Flagg at the 4 some, maybe they would move Gafford. Though he definitely has more value than Allen so it would probably require at least one of our firsts.

I would do Grayson+29 for Gafford. We desperately need a C, and its not as big of a ripoff as the KD trade Grayson+52 would be better, but not happening.

Gafford was just extended yesterday by the Mavs - he isn't going anywhere

Do the Hornets need Grayson Allen
Grant Williams is out this year but for a couple seconds, and he expires a year earlier -- I can see that type of trade

[SkyBill40]

I don't know how much money he'd have to give up but lets say it's $10 million. I mean just think of asking a guy to give up $10 million. It's ridiculous. Sure, some say he could make some of it back but it's not guaranteed. I would not give away $1 million. I guess I'd know at worst I could get a minimum, so maybe 1 or 2 but not much more.

Then to trade assets to get rid of him....when you are the team with the worst assets in the league is ridiculously stupid...but of course, we do ridiculously stupid things.

Exactly. Unless he's truly miserable and desperate to get out, why would he give up a single penny? He's earned that money as far as the contract goes and it's not his fault the Suns don't like the fit and now have buyer's regret.

He doesn't owe Ishbia or the Suns anything. They traded for the contract. The problem is the trade was made without understanding the CBA. And they should have read the CBA. Keeping Paul or trading Paul for say, Poole from the Warriors - would have been better for the cap

That's not on Ishbia though as that's on JONES to know better and communicate that directly. What the hell was he doing besides nodding his head?

[Bogyo]

A bit bored and shoothing sht:
What do you think, if we offered Booker to SA before all this debacle, could we have walked away with the 2nd, 14th, Vassel, Barnes, Sochan and a future first and a bunch of seconds? Draft Harper, you have your PG. Trade Grayson+29 to Orlando for Goga, you have your C. Draft BPA with 14 - probably a wing (Coward? I think he is ready to contribute due to his age).
Harper/Beal/Dunn/KD/Goga - Gillespie/Vassel/Coward/O'neale/Barnes/Sochan/Osho/Richards/ not a contender but at least not a 25 win team...
Would have KD stayed? We either let him expire or S&T him in the offseason... Thats money off the books, with the O'neale contract expiring as well, and the Beal and Barnes contracts becoming expiring, and having a couple more draft picks... would have been in a much better position for next year and going forward - and I don't think thats the best offer we could have gotten for Book, if we were to stab him in the back like that... water under the bridge now, and I don't think KD would have stayed (not like he would have a choice really), and this front office doesn't have it in them anyways

I don't know the market for Booker but I have always thought the phone lines should have been open.

It might come across as stabbing in the back - but if you can improve your team chances of winning a title, isn't that the goal.

Well, I don't think we are winning a title with that squad either, but we wouldn't suck so hard next (couple) years, replenish our draft assets, kinda rebuild on the fly - what this front office is trying to sell us now, but actually doing it... In a cpl years you would have Harper/Vassel/Dunn/Sochan/Coward + whatever you draft with the further picks from SA as your core, and a pretty "clean" balance sheet in like 2028... with the way we are going we'll be in cap hell, no players and no draft picks by that time, lol

[BobbieL]

Exactly. Unless he's truly miserable and desperate to get out, why would he give up a single penny? He's earned that money as far as the contract goes and it's not his fault the Suns don't like the fit and now have buyer's regret.

He doesn't owe Ishbia or the Suns anything. They traded for the contract. The problem is the trade was made without understanding the CBA. And they should have read the CBA. Keeping Paul or trading Paul for say, Poole from the Warriors - would have been better for the cap

That's not on Ishbia though as that's on JONES to know better and communicate that directly. What the hell was he doing besides nodding his head?

I think Bartlestein actually
and yes it is on Ishbia as well
and Jones
and everybody who didn't understand the CBA

[NapoleonII]

I wonder if Pascal Siakam is on the trading block with Haliburton missing the coming year? Maybe Indy wants to tank, since they got their 2026 pick back from New Orleans. He's 31 and will be 32 by next seasons end....he doesn't really fit their timeline with their young guards and Hali.

He'd fit like a glove next to Booker IMO - someone who defends, rebounds, runs the floor, no real weakness to his game.

Build around Booker/Siakam/Dunn + a point guard + some rebounding/rim-running centers, call it a team.

[SkyBill40]

He doesn't owe Ishbia or the Suns anything. They traded for the contract. The problem is the trade was made without understanding the CBA. And they should have read the CBA. Keeping Paul or trading Paul for say, Poole from the Warriors - would have been better for the cap

That's not on Ishbia though as that's on JONES to know better and communicate that directly. What the hell was he doing besides nodding his head?

I think Bartlestein actually
and yes it is on Ishbia as well
and Jones
and everybody who didn't understand the CBA

I mean...

[Saberestar]

Jordan Ott will be assistant coach for Latvian National team WITH Porzingis this summer.

Can be that a big factor in the Porzingis to the Suns stuff?

I am not gonna lie...a somewhat healthy (+60 games) Porzingis can be an absolute game changer.

[Dr Manute]

Jordan Ott will be assistant coach for Latvian National team WITH Porzingis this summer.

Can be that a big factor in the Porzingis to the Suns stuff?

I am not gonna lie...a somewhat healthy (+60 games) Porzingis can be an absolute game changer.

If we can somehow turn Beal into Porzingis, I'm 100% for it.

https://fanspo.com/nba/trades/DhOy6ShBR1EVQ7