Shams: Boston Trades Jrue to Portland for Simons, 2nd Rd Picks

[djsunyc]

as long as tatum and brown are on the roster, boston will never get below the cap. this was a pure salary dump and was a pure money savings move. i don't think it helps on the court nor does it help in terms of trades down the road because you need salaries to move. they will probably re-sign simons and hopes he can fill a role but it's a downgrade.

i don't think it's all that great a basketball trade for boston - i think the only benefit they get is tax savings. they do get below 2nd apron which opens up more flexibility but they don't have contracts to make trades since tatum and brown make 60+ mil each.

[ForeverTFC]

Just shows you how quickly things can change. Two years ago Boston looked like a powerhouse. And they looked the part on their way to a championship.

Now key pieces are being traded and replaced with guys like Simons.

The new CBA is rough on top heavy rosters. It's going to be very hard to keep together a bunch of highly paid guys unless you're willing to pay a huge tax bill.

Most teams can probably have couple big money guys and then you're going to have cycle through role players put around them.

It's not just the tax bill in isolation either. It also cripples your ability to make pretty much any moves and devalues your draft picks to the least valuable asset in the league. It's pretty much impossible to build super teams at this point.

[YogurtProducer]

I think Brown is definitely available. The two untouchables for Boston should be JT and White

White is not nearly good enough to be untouchable.

In fact - without a superteam around him White at $30m/year is possibly gonna be looked at negatively by other FOs soon. LOT of money for a 16/4/5 guy.

that 16/4/5 is an all nba defender and shoots 61% TS. He is a big bargain

61TS% when he’s surrounded with elite talent in Boston.

Funny how the narrative on him has shifted since being a Spur. He was originally traded for a first, a swap, and filler.

He is essentially the same player he was then, just now he is on a way better team.

White is just incredibly overrated. Hes a great fit in Boston, but he is not an untouchable piece.

[LiSTWithLani]

One more note on Jrue Holiday is that he was thinking about retiring before he joined Boston. There’s no way he stays with Portland unless something changed with his mindset. I’m curious to see how this plays out - does he agree to go to Portland or does he get moved to a legit contender.

Do we have this on good authority? I think that if somebody is willing to pay you tens of millions per year to continue working, you likely take the opportunity - but I also haven't earned 9 digits thus far in my life...

I think Brown is definitely available. The two untouchables for Boston should be JT and White

White is not nearly good enough to be untouchable.

In fact - without a superteam around him White at $30m/year is possibly gonna be looked at negatively by other FOs soon. LOT of money for a 16/4/5 guy, on the wrong end of 30.

I didn't recognize that he was over 30 years old. White is a guy that will benefit from Jrue moving, as he'll have more touches. Plus, Payton Pritchard is in line for a huge uptick in his role. When Lowry left, FVV stepped in amicably and this looks like a very similar situation from my viewpoint.

Seeing folks refer to Simons as a “young player”, “young stud”, etc. is hilarious.

Must mean RJ is a phenom or some sort of prodigy.

Our front office literally referred to Ingram as "young" and he's entering his year 28 season. Pretty ridiculous if you ask me.

This is how I see age brackets in the NBA:

Young: 18 to 24

Middle Aged: 25 to 30

Old: 31 to 37

Ancient: 38+

All you have to do is sort the table of players by age and it immediately becomes apparent how few players there are in the NBA over 32 playing real minutes on an NBA team. Here's a complete list of players over 32 who played at least 1000 minutes last season:

40 LeBron James
39 Chris Paul
38 Al Horford
37 Mike Conley
36 Brook Lopez
36 Kevin Durant
36 Steph Curry
36 Russell Westbrook
36 Nicolas Batum
35 James Harden
35 DeMar DeRozan
35 Jimmy Butler
34 Nikola Vucevic
34 Damian Lillard
34 Draymond Green
34 Klay Thompson
34 Jrue Holiday
34 Paul George
34 Mason Plumlee
34 Seth Curry
33 CJ McCollum
33 Kawhi Leonard

22 names is a short list. Very few players have productive careers after 32 and most of the ones that do are former stars who are still good players but have lost a bit of a step or are frequently missing games due to injuries. NBA basketball is a young man's game.

More great points made here; it's eye opening to see how few guys are getting that many minutes at that age. I wonder how many people play 1,000 minutes (given injuries and a lighter load across the board for the league). Maybe can we see how many players 32yo+ earn 20+ mpg? That would show us how many guys are worthy of playing and not account for injuries as much.


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As for the Simons side of things, I think that he's severely overpaid and extremely one-dimensional. He does fit well as a sixth man.
Porzingis/ Kornet/ Queta
Tatum/ Horford/ Tillman
Brown/ Hauser/ Craig
White/ Simons/ Walsh
Pritchard/ Davison

That team needs more help at point and PF/C. Horford is "Ancient", Porzingis is injured, Tatum is out... They may pick at the top of the draft next year.

[YogurtProducer]

White is not nearly good enough to be untouchable.

In fact - without a superteam around him White at $30m/year is possibly gonna be looked at negatively by other FOs soon. LOT of money for a 16/4/5 guy, on the wrong end of 30.

I didn't recognize that he was over 30 years old. White is a guy that will benefit from Jrue moving, as he'll have more touches. Plus, Payton Pritchard is in line for a huge uptick in his role. When Lowry left, FVV stepped in amicably and this looks like a very similar situation from my viewpoint.

Maybe, or maybe he just falls off a cliff without Jrue or Tatum around him to take off the pressure.

Prichard is the one who is going to step up IMO. Celtics have no reason to develop a 31 year old white when they have a 27 year old Prichard who could be a 3 or 4-year starter for them going forward.

[Tha Cynic]

One more note on Jrue Holiday is that he was thinking about retiring before he joined Boston. There’s no way he stays with Portland unless something changed with his mindset. I’m curious to see how this plays out - does he agree to go to Portland or does he get moved to a legit contender.

I don't see him giving up over $100M the next three seasons just so he can retire. If he really was interested in retiring before he wouldn't have signed a long term contract, with the tax issues Boston is in he had to see this coming when he signed.

I’m thinking more that he would ask to be moved to a contender

[Los_29]

Just shows you how quickly things can change. Two years ago Boston looked like a powerhouse. And they looked the part on their way to a championship.

Now key pieces are being traded and replaced with guys like Simons.

Boston is still a powerhouse if Tatum didn’t blow his Achilles. Literally the only thing that changed for them was Tatum’s injury. If Tatum was healthy and they still made this trade they’re still a top 2 team in the East.

Now they are unloading key pieces from their championship team and Tatum is out for the year.

That’s my point. Things can change quickly.

They won’t be a powerhouse when he’s back and Jrue, Horford and Porzingis aren’t on the team.

[Scase]

So we tried for RJ for Jrue most likely. Happy something like that didn’t happen.

I think RJ’s value is worse than even what we imagined it to be.

The rehabilitation of his asset value under us has not changed at all lol.

His value is even lower than I anticipated, I thought it was at least in neutral territory now, but man it seems like no one wants anything to do with him.

[LiSTWithLani]

White is not nearly good enough to be untouchable.

In fact - without a superteam around him White at $30m/year is possibly gonna be looked at negatively by other FOs soon. LOT of money for a 16/4/5 guy, on the wrong end of 30.

I didn't recognize that he was over 30 years old. White is a guy that will benefit from Jrue moving, as he'll have more touches. Plus, Payton Pritchard is in line for a huge uptick in his role. When Lowry left, FVV stepped in amicably and this looks like a very similar situation from my viewpoint.

Maybe, or maybe he just falls off a cliff without Jrue or Tatum around him to take off the pressure.

Prichard is the one who is going to step up IMO. Celtics have no reason to develop a 31 year old white when they have a 27 year old Prichard who could be a 3 or 4-year starter for them going forward.

Yeah, PP showed a lot last year and bombing away from 3 all season long. I had seen a video of his workouts and they are insane.

Watch on YouTube

[Los_29]

Read on Twitter

Who is putting the ball in the basket? That’s a dreadful team. lol.

[TheGeneral99]

Doesn't make sense for Portland unless they got a deal lined up for Jrue already with another team.

[TheGeneral99]

One more note on Jrue Holiday is that he was thinking about retiring before he joined Boston. There’s no way he stays with Portland unless something changed with his mindset. I’m curious to see how this plays out - does he agree to go to Portland or does he get moved to a legit contender.

I'd be shocked if he doesn't get moved - Jrue is that perfect piece for a contender to get them over the hump.

[douggood]

One more note on Jrue Holiday is that he was thinking about retiring before he joined Boston. There’s no way he stays with Portland unless something changed with his mindset. I’m curious to see how this plays out - does he agree to go to Portland or does he get moved to a legit contender.

I'd be shocked if he doesn't get moved - Jrue is that perfect piece for a contender to get them over the hump.

or a youngish team to take the next step
portland didnt make this move to trade him again, thing might change in future years but currently they are pushing for a playoff spot.

[ill-Will03]

Wonder what jRoy is thinking about this

[ItsDanger]

Big drop in defense for Celtics. Once Horford retires, this will be an all offense no defense type team. Jrue is definitely on decline though. League structure is allowing these older guys to get retirement type deals when its unjustified on the court.

[OakleyDokely]

PORs defensive potential is pretty huge, but they were already a bottom 5 team in 3s and they substituted Simons for Jrue, so it's going to get worse. Unless Scoot and Sharpe take massive jumps offensively, they're going to struggle to score.

[Tor_Raps]

White is not nearly good enough to be untouchable.

In fact - without a superteam around him White at $30m/year is possibly gonna be looked at negatively by other FOs soon. LOT of money for a 16/4/5 guy.

that 16/4/5 is an all nba defender and shoots 61% TS. He is a big bargain

61TS% when he’s surrounded with elite talent in Boston.

Funny how the narrative on him has shifted since being a Spur. He was originally traded for a first, a swap, and filler.

He is essentially the same player he was then, just now he is on a way better team.

White is just incredibly overrated. Hes a great fit in Boston, but he is not an untouchable piece.

Elite role players like him, OG, Draymond all play better when surrounded by better players.

White is rated exactly where he belongs... Celtics don't win those titles without him. As long as youre bringing him in to be your 4th best player or so, he'll always be a stud.

[ConSarnit]

White is not nearly good enough to be untouchable.

In fact - without a superteam around him White at $30m/year is possibly gonna be looked at negatively by other FOs soon. LOT of money for a 16/4/5 guy.

that 16/4/5 is an all nba defender and shoots 61% TS. He is a big bargain

61TS% when he’s surrounded with elite talent in Boston.

Funny how the narrative on him has shifted since being a Spur. He was originally traded for a first, a swap, and filler.

He is essentially the same player he was then, just now he is on a way better team.

White is just incredibly overrated. Hes a great fit in Boston, but he is not an untouchable piece.

You’re wrong. He’s clearly made himself into an elite 3pt shooter. Both the stats and eye test show this. He fits on every team. He’s not a negative contract.

[Raps in 4]

Seems like the first phase of the Celtics starting their decline. They built it up patiently and slowly and expect it'll decline the same way.

They could have contended for a long time if Tatum didn't rupture his Achilles. I hate Boston, but **** injuries, especially to young players. The union needs to call for shorter seasons, or scheduling that eliminates B2Bs and a lower threshold for All-NBA consideration (like 60 games, instead of 65).

[NBA Sheady]

RJ for Porzingis next.

So we aiming for most injury prone team in history now?

Porzingis has this mystery illness/virus that the doctors don't know what it is. That's why he was so lethargic during the playoffs and unplayable. It's been going on for months. He is damaged goods that's unplayable at the moment.

His symptoms sound a lot like PEM.