Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available

[PhilBlackson]

I’m not f’ing feeling trading down to 19 with BKN for Cam smdh

Not another “but it’s only 10 spots” bs

I mean, it would be only 10 spots...

Which we seen can be the difference between drafting a damn good player like Nembhard vs a bust like Koloko lol

[Zeno]

The only thing I potentially like about this trade is that it would allow us to offer the full MLE to someone. So if we can get NAW, Cam, 19 for RJ and 9 then that would actually be pretty good. Similarly, maybe we can use the MLE as a trade exception and take on some salary and maybe another pick.

[Zeno]

I’m not f’ing feeling trading down to 19 with BKN for Cam smdh

Not another “but it’s only 10 spots” bs

I mean, it would be only 10 spots...

Which we seen can be the difference between drafting a damn good player like Nembhard vs a bust like Koloko lol

That was actually only 1 spot. lol. The other 9 were irrelevant.

[djsunyc]

The only thing I potentially like about this trade is that it would allow us to offer the full MLE to someone. So if we can get NAW, Cam, 19 for RJ and 9 then that would actually be pretty good. Similarly, maybe we can use the MLE as a trade exception and take on some salary and maybe another pick.

we'd still need some bigs but the added benefit of using the MLE by dumping an extra $6 mil of rj's deal would be nice. we'd also get a $6 mil trade exemption back.

[Clutch0z24]

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If we trade RJ + 9 For Cam + 19 i will be pretty disappointed...While Cam the better player hes not like a ceiling raising player.....He would not make us drastically better to give up 9th for....

[Tor_Raps]

I mean, it would be only 10 spots...

Which we seen can be the difference between drafting a damn good player like Nembhard vs a bust like Koloko lol

That was actually only 1 spot. lol. The other 9 were irrelevant.

The other 9 spots are relevant because we were heavily interested in him and could have just drafted in the draft slot that was ours. The Thad trade was just so pathetic and perfectly describes the horrible 4 years from 2021 to now lol.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Trading the best player + the best pick to move down and pick up role players would be insane.

[Tor_Raps]

Trading the best player + the best pick to move down and pick up role players would be insane.

And the player is also 5 years younger loll

[Zeno]

The only thing I potentially like about this trade is that it would allow us to offer the full MLE to someone. So if we can get NAW, Cam, 19 for RJ and 9 then that would actually be pretty good. Similarly, maybe we can use the MLE as a trade exception and take on some salary and maybe another pick.

we'd still need some bigs but the added benefit of using the MLE by dumping an extra $6 mil of rj's deal would be nice. we'd also get a $6 mil trade exemption back.

We’d be freeing up the 6 million plus we’d be saving the difference in the rookie scale between 9 and 19. In addition, since we’d be hardcapped if we use the MLE, we’d also do away with 3.5 million of unlikely bonuses that apply to any hardcap. So there this quite a bit more flexibility gained from a trade like this than is immediately obvious.

[djsunyc]

let's say it's cam + #19.

then your starting 5 would be IQ, cam, BI, scottie, yak. that's more shooting today than it was yesterday.

btw, i don't believe the rumor

[Asif16]

People acting like they know what the exact deal is. Raptors arent stupid to just do RJ + 9 for Cam + 19.

There would obviously be more Future 1sts involved in the deal too. Which wouldnt be terrible to acquire more assets for a big fish down the line (Giannis for example)

[Zeno]

Which we seen can be the difference between drafting a damn good player like Nembhard vs a bust like Koloko lol

That was actually only 1 spot. lol. The other 9 were irrelevant.

The other 9 spots are relevant because we were heavily interested in him and could have just drafted in the draft slot that was ours. The Thad trade was just so pathetic and perfectly describes the horrible 4 years from 2021 to now lol.

I was joking

[PushDaRock]

It's quite obvious MU is dangling RJ IQ #9 and he's going to see what can he can get / fit.
To be honest, I would be even dangling Scotty (Secretly) out to see what we could possibly get as well.

Personally, I think people here are undervaluing RJ.
Once of the biggest things that I feel we would be losing out on is the driving/cutting that RJ does very well. This is what creates motion in an offense. I don't wanna be a heavy ISO team like NYK, that just killed clock with Brunson dribbling. I'm sure both people watched the finals. Both teams were pushing the ball, driving the hoop, cutting baselines and it created a lot of open looks for their teammates. Additionally, RJ's corner 3pt % has gone was at 40% this year.

RJ’s cut frequency is around 5%. That’s 1 cut per game. His ppp was 32nd percentile. Raptors players who cut more than RJ:

Poeltl
Mogbo
Boucher
Agbaji
Dick
Battle
Walter

RJ is not a good cutter.

Like we have discussed previously, he is an excellent guy to have attacking closeouts and coming off screens, catching and getting to the basket. It's not traditional cutting but it's still an off ball action that is effective out there.

[Raptors Realtor]

Trading the best player + the best pick to move down and pick up role players would be insane.

And the player is also 5 years younger loll

Also Cam is super injury prone, always misses significant time.

[tdotrep2]

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i think this is some sort of aggragated nonsense and not real reporting BUT rj + 9 for claxton + 19 work in the trade checker.

other possibility is cam johnson.

I highly doubt its claxton.. you could argue rj by himself has more value. It would be cam, 19 and maybe another asset...

[tdotrep2]

Can we get Claxton, Johnson and the 19th? lol

no way its just claxton...

[PushDaRock]

I dont think we were sold on the idea of tanking, only to end up with a mediocre pick and some role players that aren't much better than what we have.

Cam Johnson would be nice. Unless we're reviving project 6'9, are we playing Cam at the SG? And Claxton isn't that big of an upgrade over Poeltl

lol how is Claxton even an upgrade over Jak? He was awful last year putting up a 57 TS% with a -12.7 in on court per 100 and -9.8 in on/off per 100. He's interesting if he can get back to his year 4 performance but it seems unlikely.

Obviously Cam's 3 point shooting is interesting but he's an average defender and I would really be concerned about rim pressure on this team. We wouldn't have a single guy that gets to the rim well. Ingram in the past has been able to do it but his FTR plummeted last season and seems unlikely with all the injuries that he will be getting there as much as he has in the past going forward.

[djsunyc]

would you do this:

rj + 9 for onyeka + niang + 13 + 22.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I dont think we were sold on the idea of tanking, only to end up with a mediocre pick and some role players that aren't much better than what we have.

Cam Johnson would be nice. Unless we're reviving project 6'9, are we playing Cam at the SG? And Claxton isn't that big of an upgrade over Poeltl

lol how is Claxton even an upgrade over Jak? He was awful last year putting up a 57 TS% with a -12.7 in on court per 100 and -9.8 in on/off per 100. He's interesting if he can get back to his year 4 performance but it seems unlikely.

Obviously Cam's 3 point shooting is interesting but he's an average defender and I would really be concerned about rim pressure on this team. We wouldn't have a single guy that gets to the rim well. Ingram in the past has been able to do it but his FTR plummeted last season and seems unlikely with all the injuries that he will be getting there as much as he has in the past going forward.

Claxton can't play with Poeltl. Cam blocks Gradey and maybe Walter. I think RJ for Cam and #19 makes some sense if they feel like RJ coming back is too much of a risk of peeling off all-star votes from Scottie. That shouldn't also cost the #9 pick.

[tdotrep2]

I dont think we were sold on the idea of tanking, only to end up with a mediocre pick and some role players that aren't much better than what we have.

Cam Johnson would be nice. Unless we're reviving project 6'9, are we playing Cam at the SG? And Claxton isn't that big of an upgrade over Poeltl

lol how is Claxton even an upgrade over Jak? He was awful last year putting up a 57 TS% with a -12.7 in on court per 100 and -9.8 in on/off per 100. He's interesting if he can get back to his year 4 performance but it seems unlikely.

Obviously Cam's 3 point shooting is interesting but he's an average defender and I would really be concerned about rim pressure on this team. We wouldn't have a single guy that gets to the rim well. Ingram in the past has been able to do it but his FTR plummeted last season and seems unlikely with all the injuries that he will be getting there as much as he has in the past going forward.

Claxton can't play with Poeltl. Cam blocks Gradey and maybe Walter. I think RJ for Cam and #19 makes some sense if they feel like RJ coming back is too much of a risk of peeling off all-star votes from Scottie. That shouldn't also cost the #9 pick.