Atlanta & Boston & San Antonio

[ReggiesKnicks]

ATL Out: TPE
ATL In: Harrison Barnes, #32

BOS Out: Kristaps Porzingis, #32
BOS In: Malaki Branham

SAS Out: Harrison Barnes, Malaki Branham
SAS In: Kristaps Porzingis

Atlanta adds win-now depth in Harrison Barnes and a high 2nd
Boston cuts salaries this year
San Antonio adds an intriguing piece next to Wemby

[daoneandonly]

I think Atl can do better with their space given they have JJ/Risacher starting, and Mann on the bench. They already have 2 picks this year so the 2nd is not enticing enough

[djFan71]

Brad will use voodoo and make SA pay the 2nd somehow, but I like it as is.
I was actually just working on this exact deal and trying to figure out how to entice ATL without 32 and not getting anywhere.

[Texas Chuck]

I like all of it. And if Atlanta doesn't like Barnes, or decides they want a center as rumored, not hard to flip Barnes for a center. He's a solid player capable of playing half the game or more with starters or off the bench, can't be targeted defensively, makes 3's, and is one of the most professional players in the league. Or Brooklyn should gladly take him to be a vet for a year with a bumch of rookies and random dudes on the roster.

[ReggiesKnicks]

I think Atl can do better with their space given they have JJ/Risacher starting, and Mann on the bench. They already have 2 picks this year so the 2nd is not enticing enough

I don't think Atlanta gets a 1st for their space. This is as close to a 1st as you can get, and instead of eating a bad contract, they get a 25-30 MPG rotation wing without long-term commitment.

Barnes and #32 strike both their win-now timeline and their adding future assets timeline.

They could take a center prospect like Ryan Kalkbrenner, Hansen Yang or Johni Broome at #32.

[Godaddycurse]

I like all of it. And if Atlanta doesn't like Barnes, or decides they want a center as rumored, not hard to flip Barnes for a center. He's a solid player capable of playing half the game or more with starters or off the bench, can't be targeted defensively, makes 3's, and is one of the most professional players in the league. Or Brooklyn should gladly take him to be a vet for a year with a bumch of rookies and random dudes on the roster.

yea i think brooklyn fits better here, esp if they trade camJ as rumored.

[Texas Chuck]

I think Atl can do better with their space given they have JJ/Risacher starting, and Mann on the bench. They already have 2 picks this year so the 2nd is not enticing enough

I don't think Atlanta gets a 1st for their space. This is as close to a 1st as you can get, and instead of eating a bad contract, they get a 25-30 MPG rotation wing without long-term commitment.

Barnes and #32 strike both their win-now timeline and their adding future assets timeline.

I think Atlanta probably could get some kind of 1st for their space--they have the ability to take back a multi-year deal with an AAV of $25M. But I don't think they want to take on bad money. I think you hit the correct target of a useful player, but that another team is willing to sweeten the pot to dump.

[hugepatsfan]

Value seems fine for BOS here, but I wouldn't be in a rush to do the ATL part. BOS has until the deadline to duck whatever payroll threshold they want to get under. Barnes and Simons are decent NBA players on expiring deals and Hauser is seen as desirable contract league wide per reports. BOS has tons of flexibility to take on lower salary but multi year deals in any trade (right now projected $30M under the tax next year). It just feels like there's no need to do something as drastic as immediately dumping Barnes and paying a pick to do so. They'd have so much money easy to use in trades for players expendable to them that they can slow play it IMO.

[djFan71]

I was kinda joking above, but I actually do think SAS sends a 2nd out. Maybe keep the deal as above but BOS gets 36 back as a replacement from SAS.

KP is a much better player than Barnes - with the huge health caveat. All players involved are expiring. Yes, BOS saves a ton of money, but it's from ATL, not SAS.

[ReggiesKnicks]

I was kinda joking above, but I actually do think SAS sends a 2nd out. Maybe keep the deal as above but BOS gets 36 back as a replacement from SAS.

KP is a much better player than Barnes - with the huge health caveat. All players involved are expiring. Yes, BOS saves a ton of money, but it's from ATL, not SAS.

KP is better. Barnes is cheaper and an Iron Man.

I think they are about equal, which means a 2nd going one way or another won't hurt my feelings.

[165bows]

I was kinda joking above, but I actually do think SAS sends a 2nd out. Maybe keep the deal as above but BOS gets 36 back as a replacement from SAS.

KP is a much better player than Barnes - with the huge health caveat. All players involved are expiring. Yes, BOS saves a ton of money, but it's from ATL, not SAS.

KP is better. Barnes is cheaper and an Iron Man.

I think they are about equal, which means a 2nd going one way or another won't hurt my feelings.

Is SA in position to move Barnes? I know he’s pretty generic but (and I like the KP/SAS fit) it seems like Barnes is playing a pretty key role there.

[ReggiesKnicks]

I was kinda joking above, but I actually do think SAS sends a 2nd out. Maybe keep the deal as above but BOS gets 36 back as a replacement from SAS.

KP is a much better player than Barnes - with the huge health caveat. All players involved are expiring. Yes, BOS saves a ton of money, but it's from ATL, not SAS.

KP is better. Barnes is cheaper and an Iron Man.

I think they are about equal, which means a 2nd going one way or another won't hurt my feelings.

Is SA in position to move Barnes? I know he’s pretty generic but (and I like the KP/SAS fit) it seems like Barnes is playing a pretty key role there.

I personally would never trade Barnes for KP unless I was being compensated. However, a Spurs fan proposed the bones of the deal (Barnes/Malaki for KP) in a different thread.

[165bows]

KP is better. Barnes is cheaper and an Iron Man.

I think they are about equal, which means a 2nd going one way or another won't hurt my feelings.

Is SA in position to move Barnes? I know he’s pretty generic but (and I like the KP/SAS fit) it seems like Barnes is playing a pretty key role there.

I personally would never trade Barnes for KP unless I was being compensated. However, a Spurs fan proposed the bones of the deal (Barnes/Malaki for KP) in a different thread.

Well that was my question and I’ll trust those guys to know their team’s needs.

Just seems like they don’t have a replacement for Barnes and KP imo could be great there he’s a different player altogether. Unless they want to play stretch5s alongside Sochan as an interior four which I could see the logic there in theory.

Just curious what the SA people thought.

[brackdan70]

I am now on the Keep KP wagon that Jrue has been moved . I really believe that Boston certainly won’t pay to move him.
I’d just leave Atlanta out and this other dude (Branham) out as well if this is a thing. Or ship Branham to ATL and SAS pays a second if necessary.is rather have a useful player like Barnes back in a KP deal,

[brackdan70]

Just a general observation that I think this board has become over enamored with the idea that you have to attach picks to trade good players for lesser players because they make less money.
I don’t think this is the case in the real league.

[djFan71]

Just a general observation that I think this board has become over enamored with the idea that you have to attach picks to trade good players for lesser players because they make less money.
I don’t think this is the case in the real league.

Preach! I think good players, are still... good. Obviously, the contract matters to some extent, but I think teams are more willing to handle an overpay than fans are, as long as the players are still good.

[djFan71]

I am now on the Keep KP wagon that Jrue has been moved . I really believe that Boston certainly won’t pay to move him.
I’d just leave Atlanta out and this other dude (Branham) out as well if this is a thing. Or ship Branham to ATL and SAS pays a second if necessary.is rather have a useful player like Barnes back in a KP deal,

Assumedly you're on the flip Simons wagon then? Don't see us keeping both and not ducking the 2nd apron.

[brackdan70]

I am now on the Keep KP wagon that Jrue has been moved . I really believe that Boston certainly won’t pay to move him.
I’d just leave Atlanta out and this other dude (Branham) out as well if this is a thing. Or ship Branham to ATL and SAS pays a second if necessary.is rather have a useful player like Barnes back in a KP deal,

Assumedly you're on the flip Simons wagon then? Don't see us keeping both and not ducking the 2nd apron.

I have always thought it fairly unlikely that the Cs duck the Apron this year. I have always thought and still do that they would certainly like to shed some salary this coming year and drop a tier or two in repeater brackets, but the real target is ducking the tax in 26/27 to reset the repeater and hence the Apron penalties.
The Jrue trade has done most of the work for both, definitely for 26/27.
I’d look hard at trading Simmons for a guy that makes 10 million less or so but on a longer term deal. I could see the Cs keeping him though. The Jrue trade opened up a lot of possibilities at least in my Myopia.

[djFan71]

I am now on the Keep KP wagon that Jrue has been moved . I really believe that Boston certainly won’t pay to move him.
I’d just leave Atlanta out and this other dude (Branham) out as well if this is a thing. Or ship Branham to ATL and SAS pays a second if necessary.is rather have a useful player like Barnes back in a KP deal,

Assumedly you're on the flip Simons wagon then? Don't see us keeping both and not ducking the 2nd apron.

I have always thought it fairly unlikely that the Cs duck the Apron this year. I have always thought and still do that they would certainly like to shed some salary this coming year and drop a tier or two in repeater brackets, but the real target is ducking the tax in 26/27 to reset the repeater and hence the Apron penalties.
The Jrue trade has done most of the work for both, definitely for 26/27.
I’d look hard at trading Simmons for a guy that makes 10 million less or so but on a longer term deal. I could see the Cs keeping him though. The Jrue trade opened up a lot of possibilities at least in my Myopia.

I was reluctant at first on the apron, but came around to it just making too much sense to duck it. I hung my hat on the don't fear the repeater thing. I'm leaning keep Simons, see if he learns D. Trade KP/Hauser get back like a Clarke or similar salary, duck the apron.
Sign KP back for MLE next summer.

[wemby]

I value Barnes, but Porzingis is an interesting target which warrants consideration. I'd be interested in this for the Spurs.