Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available

[Asif16]

I also wonder if there are long term injury concerns for Rj Barret's knee, and the raptors are trying to capitalize before that

[Clutch0z24]

Only way id be happy with trading the 9th pick for 19....Is if we get Claxton/Cam and Jase Richardson is there at 19 since i am very high on him....If Jase would not be on the board id pass....

[ArthurVandelay]

I doubt RJ 9 and Cam 19 is the deal.

My guess is RJ goes elsewhere and Brooklyn’s multiple picks end up dispersed while Raptors trade down a couple of spots to 11/12/13. Basically Brooklyn uses extra picks and cap space to move up.

All kinds of scenarios in play here with Portland, Chicago, and Atlanta.

[ConSarnit]

It's quite obvious MU is dangling RJ IQ #9 and he's going to see what can he can get / fit.
To be honest, I would be even dangling Scotty (Secretly) out to see what we could possibly get as well.

Personally, I think people here are undervaluing RJ.
Once of the biggest things that I feel we would be losing out on is the driving/cutting that RJ does very well. This is what creates motion in an offense. I don't wanna be a heavy ISO team like NYK, that just killed clock with Brunson dribbling. I'm sure both people watched the finals. Both teams were pushing the ball, driving the hoop, cutting baselines and it created a lot of open looks for their teammates. Additionally, RJ's corner 3pt % has gone was at 40% this year.

RJ’s cut frequency is around 5%. That’s 1 cut per game. His ppp was 32nd percentile. Raptors players who cut more than RJ:

Poeltl
Mogbo
Boucher
Agbaji
Dick
Battle
Walter

RJ is not a good cutter.

Like we have discussed previously, he is an excellent guy to have attacking closeouts and coming off screens, catching and getting to the basket. It's not traditional cutting but it's still an off ball action that is effective out there.

That’s not off-ball action. The majority of RJ’s drive are initiated with him above the 3pt line and he attacks off the catch. He’s not cutting behind the defense or setting screens. RJ is stationary until he catches the ball. That’s not off-ball play. He’s not causing defensive confusion and is benefitting from a defense that is scrambling because of another players actions.

[earthtone]

Cam Johnson in this organization would be perfect. We'd max out his potential

He'll be 30 F'ing years old next season

the questions to be asked are these:

1. who would you rather be paying in 27/28 - rj or cam (both need to be extended)?
2. who would have more value on their extension in terms of trade - rj or cam?
3. who fits the team better right now for the next 2 seasons - rj or cam?
4. who is more tradeable as an expiring next summer/deadline - rj or cam?

if the answer to most of those is cam, then him being 30 doesn't mean anything. imho, cam will always have a higher value because his rep is a 3 & d shooter.

I think the answer to most of these is RJ

[PushDaRock]

RJ’s cut frequency is around 5%. That’s 1 cut per game. His ppp was 32nd percentile. Raptors players who cut more than RJ:

Poeltl
Mogbo
Boucher
Agbaji
Dick
Battle
Walter

RJ is not a good cutter.

Like we have discussed previously, he is an excellent guy to have attacking closeouts and coming off screens, catching and getting to the basket. It's not traditional cutting but it's still an off ball action that is effective out there.

That’s not off-ball action. The majority of RJ’s drive are initiated with him above the 3pt line and he attacks off the catch. He’s not cutting behind the defense or setting screens. RJ is stationary until he catches the ball. That’s not off-ball play. He’s not causing defensive confusion and is benefitting from a defense that is scrambling because of another players actions.

He's catching the ball on the move off a curl screen, that's causing the D to have to react in order to defend it. When he's doing this going from right to left, it's hard to defend and it leads to some Jak drop offs when he gets 2 defenders on him or kick outs for 3's if the D collapses at the rim. You don't think that's effective?

[WuTang_OG]

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[MEDIC]

RJ’s cut frequency is around 5%. That’s 1 cut per game. His ppp was 32nd percentile. Raptors players who cut more than RJ:

Poeltl
Mogbo
Boucher
Agbaji
Dick
Battle
Walter

RJ is not a good cutter.

He may not be, but he is decent off the ball. He is not a black hole & typically doesn't over-dribble the ball. A lot of his touches in a half court setting are on the move, many times going downhill coming off screen. Also, C&S 3's. Other than that, it's transition.

This is when RJ is at his best. He's not an on-ball iso guy. I think that's the point really. RJ was #1 on the team in miles travelled per game on offense. He's not standing around waiting for an iso touch.

I think he’s ok off-ball. I wouldn’t exactly consider him an ideal off ball player. He’s not running around through screens nor is he cutting much in the traditional sense. 36% on C&S 3’s is ok. His catch and drive game is good. Don’t know if that counts as off-ball play. His off-screen frequency is incredibly low (3.3%) but I’m not sure how they track it (c&s vs drives off screens). Miles per game on offense isn’t exactly the best measurement considering he played the 2nd most minutes on the team so you’d expect it to be higher. He’s not necessarily gumming things up off-ball. It would interesting to see what his splits are like concerning drives and how much is self created vs opportunistic.

Personally, I see catch and shoot or catch and drive to be off the ball plays. I mean.......if you are finishing within a few seconds of catching the ball what's the difference (cut or drive).

I see on the ball plays more as self creation. Derozan is definitely more of an on the ball scorer. He needs the ball in his hands & usually 3+ dribbles to be effective.

To me, on ball basically = iso.

[Scase]

If we trade RJ+9 for Claxton+19 straight up, and I hear anyone defending Masai, I'm paying for a botnet to ddos realgm servers until the heat death of the universe

[Pointgod]

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If we trade RJ + 9 For Cam + 19 i will be pretty disappointed...While Cam the better player hes not like a ceiling raising player.....He would not make us drastically better to give up 9th for....

Dumbest trade ever if true.

[Yeezus_]

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If we trade RJ + 9 For Cam + 19 i will be pretty disappointed...While Cam the better player hes not like a ceiling raising player.....He would not make us drastically better to give up 9th for....

Cam would make us dramatically better. RJs a negative impact player out there. Cam is better on both ends and provides spacing. He’s a good fit for this team.

[tsherkin]

RJs a negative impact player out there.

That isn't statistically true, nor qualitatively...

[tdotrep2]

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If we trade RJ + 9 For Cam + 19 i will be pretty disappointed...While Cam the better player hes not like a ceiling raising player.....He would not make us drastically better to give up 9th for....

Cam would make us dramatically better. RJs a negative impact player out there. Cam is better on both ends and provides spacing. He’s a good fit for this team.

but he's also a lot older and injury prone. we have to consider these things. Giving up 9 is a tough pill.

[Yeezus_]

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If we trade RJ + 9 For Cam + 19 i will be pretty disappointed...While Cam the better player hes not like a ceiling raising player.....He would not make us drastically better to give up 9th for....

Cam would make us dramatically better. RJs a negative impact player out there. Cam is better on both ends and provides spacing. He’s a good fit for this team.

but he's also a lot older and injury prone. we have to consider these things. Giving up 9 is a tough pill.

I somewhat agree. I guess it depends how the Raptors view the 9th pick and if their big board has a few prospects on there thats undervalued by other teams that they would draft.

[Yeezus_]

RJs a negative impact player out there.

That isn't statistically true, nor qualitatively...

Which stats are you referring to? Maybe I missed something but everything I saw showed him as a negative player on both ends. He doesn’t particularly do anything well on either end of the floor and is redundant out there with Ingram and Scottie.

[Raptorfan2012]

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If we trade RJ + 9 For Cam + 19 i will be pretty disappointed...While Cam the better player hes not like a ceiling raising player.....He would not make us drastically better to give up 9th for....

Dumbest trade ever if true.

Disagree but it depends on who is available at 9. Cam fits this team way better than RJ. Yes, Cam is 29; around the same timeline as BI and Poetl though. It will have to be more than just 19 though. May need to add 1-2 more picks, but I will be fine. People are hyping up Bane on the Magic, but IMO having Cam will have a similar effect.

[ArthurVandelay]

Boston: Collins, #26
Chicago: RJ, #27
Brooklyn: Carter, #9
Raptors: Porzingis, #12

Who says no?

[Zeno]

If we trade RJ+9 for Claxton+19 straight up, and I hear anyone defending Masai, I'm paying for a botnet to ddos realgm servers until the heat death of the universe

I have very little idea what you a threatening but I feel you are going way too far.

[LoveMyRaps]

If we trade RJ+9 for Claxton+19 straight up, and I hear anyone defending Masai, I'm paying for a botnet to ddos realgm servers until the heat death of the universe

Even I wouldn't defend that junk.

[WuTang_OG]

If we trade RJ+9 for Claxton+19 straight up, and I hear anyone defending Masai, I'm paying for a botnet to ddos realgm servers until the heat death of the universe

Even I wouldn't defend that junk.

Doing this is stupid. I don't even like RJ's game but his value is not this BAD