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Dr Manute wrote:Saberestar wrote:Jordan Ott will be assistant coach for Latvian National team WITH Porzingis this summer.
Can be that a big factor in the Porzingis to the Suns stuff?
I am not gonna lie...a somewhat healthy (+60 games) Porzingis can be an absolute game changer.
If we can somehow turn Beal into Porzingis, I'm 100% for it.
https://fanspo.com/nba/trades/DhOy6ShBR1EVQ7
BobbieL wrote:Dr Manute wrote:Saberestar wrote:Jordan Ott will be assistant coach for Latvian National team WITH Porzingis this summer.
Can be that a big factor in the Porzingis to the Suns stuff?
I am not gonna lie...a somewhat healthy (+60 games) Porzingis can be an absolute game changer.
If we can somehow turn Beal into Porzingis, I'm 100% for it.
https://fanspo.com/nba/trades/DhOy6ShBR1EVQ7
The goal of the Celtics is to get under the apron levels
Beal for Porzingis won't do that
Plus he is hurt. A lot.
NapoleonII wrote:I wonder if Pascal Siakam is on the trading block with Haliburton missing the coming year? Maybe Indy wants to tank, since they got their 2026 pick back from New Orleans. He's 31 and will be 32 by next seasons end....he doesn't really fit their timeline with their young guards and Hali.
He'd fit like a glove next to Booker IMO - someone who defends, rebounds, runs the floor, no real weakness to his game.
Build around Booker/Siakam/Dunn + a point guard + some rebounding/rim-running centers, call it a team.
49erhokie827 wrote:BobbieL wrote:Dr Manute wrote:
If we can somehow turn Beal into Porzingis, I'm 100% for it.
https://fanspo.com/nba/trades/DhOy6ShBR1EVQ7
The goal of the Celtics is to get under the apron levels
Beal for Porzingis won't do that
Plus he is hurt. A lot.
This. No way they celtics do it unless it some 3 team trade and beal is going elsewhere while smaller contracts go to boston.
Devin Booker has put up 11.0 points per game in game sevens in his career
Jalen Green has averaged 13.3 points in 7 games in the playoffs in his career
WeekapaugGroove wrote:NapoleonII wrote:I wonder if Pascal Siakam is on the trading block with Haliburton missing the coming year? Maybe Indy wants to tank, since they got their 2026 pick back from New Orleans. He's 31 and will be 32 by next seasons end....he doesn't really fit their timeline with their young guards and Hali.
He'd fit like a glove next to Booker IMO - someone who defends, rebounds, runs the floor, no real weakness to his game.
Build around Booker/Siakam/Dunn + a point guard + some rebounding/rim-running centers, call it a team.
Indi never tanked even when everyone called the the ultimate treadmill. No chance they tank next year.
NapoleonII wrote:How tf did Portland get Holiday for so cheap?
dremill24 wrote:49erhokie827 wrote:BobbieL wrote:
The goal of the Celtics is to get under the apron levels
Beal for Porzingis won't do that
Plus he is hurt. A lot.
This. No way they celtics do it unless it some 3 team trade and beal is going elsewhere while smaller contracts go to boston.
That's a given, it's the details that matter. Seems like it would be tough from a value standpoint, but strange to talk of a 3way deal like its not commonplace at this point?
Im a KP fan when he plays, was banging the drum for him instead of Beal two summers ago.
But man he just never plays. Ive come around to the thought that the best predictor for future injuries are past injuries (even unrelated ones). If it just keeps happening, chances are its not gonna stop.
Saberestar wrote:dremill24 wrote:49erhokie827 wrote:
This. No way they celtics do it unless it some 3 team trade and beal is going elsewhere while smaller contracts go to boston.
That's a given, it's the details that matter. Seems like it would be tough from a value standpoint, but strange to talk of a 3way deal like its not commonplace at this point?
Im a KP fan when he plays, was banging the drum for him instead of Beal two summers ago.
But man he just never plays. Ive come around to the thought that the best predictor for future injuries are past injuries (even unrelated ones). If it just keeps happening, chances are its not gonna stop.
But what if the price is Allen, Royce and #29?
Stein said that there is a way for the Suns to trade for Porzingis and I guess is on a multiple trade with teams that have cap space or trade exceptions.
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Its apparently trade your unwanted G day
Puff wrote:It seems as though some want to move on from Grayson Allen. Well, he is one of our better shooters. You only get so many shots per game and the team that makes the best use of those shots usually wins. That is if your defense and rebounding are up to par. Defense and rebounding are our biggest issues. That is why I think we have to get a couple of legit big guys to dominate the glass either in the draft, trade or free agency.Spoiler:
Unlike most of you I am looking forward to next year without Bud and KD. It was a very depressing year to watch Suns basketball. My hope is that the new coach and the departure of KD will bring a new enthusiasm for the entire team. I hope we draft a couple of big guys and that Richards can grow as a player he is 27 and will be28 in November. I would keep Bradley Beal at this point and give the new coach a chance to work him into the mix. A good healthy year next year could improve his value by the trade deadline.
Better coaching and attitudes could do wonders for this team.
Go Suns
KdoubleDees23 wrote:Wish Suns could do one of the following:
Beal to Celtics for Porzingis, and some other players and teams inolved
Beal to Bulls for Vucevic, and some other players and teams involved
Beal to Blazers for Jrue and Grant, and another team involved with a Beal buyout.
BobbieL wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
If I'm looking to trade Allen, then I'm looking at trading him to one of 4 teams:
1- Memphis
Allen/ Richards/ CLE 29' 1st/ BOS 32' 2nd for KCP/ Huff/ 16th pick. Allen, would replace Bane whom they gave up! Has played for Memphis a few years back, is a much better shooter/ floor spacer /scorer than KCP, and is on a cheaper salary annually than KCP.
Richards is a solid more established rotation level backup center option for them than Huff to backup Edey, And is on a cheap expiring contract. And they get a future 1st and a premium 2nd to add to their haul of picks from Orlando, for the 16th pick.
For us, we'd get KCP who's on a large expiring contract after next season (the same time as Beal expires). We'd also get Jay Huff, a young, verybkong 7'1 very mobile 3 & D center that fits what Ott is trying to do here. And the prize for us would be the 16th pick.
With that pick, we can now add a 2nd premium young cost controlled talent to whomever we draft at 10! Strengthening our roster core positionally while upgrading talent and athleticism and also creating more cap flexibility.
2- Utah
Allen/ CLE 29' 1st for K Mart Jr/ Svi Mikhaliuk/ Micah Potter (two-way big)/ 21st pick.
** Allen has played for the Jazz in the past, was a fan favorite, and gives Utah a legitimate solid floor spacing SG that's reliable and familiar with their franchise.
Ainge also gets a future 1st for his pick fix. K Mart is a strong, quick, uber athletic, fast defensive wing/ forward that fits what Ott is trying to do rather ideally and on a 7 million expiring contract.
Mikhaliuk is a cheap shooting specialist on a low contract (filler)/ Potter is a 6'10 physical 3 & D power forward/ center very much in the Maxi Kleber archetype that'd give us size, frontcourt physicality and floor spacing ability.
The prize for us is the 21st pick that'll allow us to add a 2nd high end cost controlled talent to whomever we draft at 10.
3- Charlotte
Allen/ CLE 29' 1st/ BOS 32' 2nd for Okogie/ Williams/ 33rd pick.
** Allen would give Charlotte a legitimate quality high IQ floor spacing wing that is a strong floor spacing SG. And because the Hornets have a really difficult time even attracting any quality players there, this is a very solid trade for them.
We're also taking back Okogie for salary matching to help them maintain their cap space while reducing the redundancy between him and Josh Green. And for Mark Williams, they're getting a future 1st, a premium future 2nd and a high level rotation player/ floor spacer in Allen.
For us, we're getting a very solid fringe starting caliber, although very injury prone long center in Mark Williams who would either give us another asset that can be moved later, or would allow us to move Richards in a package with O'neale and Martin (Perhaps to Washington for Smart/ 40th pick or future 2nds)??
We'd also be getting back Okogie on a 7 million expiring contract for cap reduction. And the 33rd pick (early 2nd) so we can target Thiero or Kalkbrenner. Then we could consolidate our 2nds easier into future assets?
4- Milwaukee
Allen/ CLE 29' 1st/ BOS 32' 2nd for Connaughton (9 million expiring)/ Tyler Smith Jr/ 47th pick.
Allen has played for the Bucks before, they need all the depth pieces they could get to tryband be competitive and convince Giannis to stay! Allen is great there playing off if Giannis too. And for us, we'd be getting Connaughtons' 9 million expiring contract for cap reduction.
We'd also be getting Tyler Smith Jr who is a 6'11 very mobile, smooth young floor spacing big 4/5 in the mold/ archetype of Jabari Smith Jr (except just jot as strong yet defensively). Lastly, we get the 47th pick to target another quality young cost controlled prospect to add to our core.
But the centerpiece value for us here is Tyler Smith Jr AND getting 9 million in cap reduction from Comnaughtons' expiring contract giving us cap flexibility as soon as next summer.
I think for O"neale and Allen - - I think its one of two ways
1) you actually get a player that fits the team better like the Orlando center - Biatzde-- I mean, he would be really good
or
2) expirings in the summer of 2026 or maybe 2027 - which is a year ahead of when both expire
Like Grant Williams, hurt this year - expires in 2027 -- so would he be a fit for Allen. Granted he is hurt so not much value this year
