Official Trade Thread Part XLVII

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TGW just came 100%

[80sballboy]

CJ is a FA next season making 30.6 million this year.

[80sballboy]

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[dckingsfan]

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Hmmm, drafting a PG? I guess those that thought he wouldn't bring a FRP were right. But I will take the cap space!

[dckingsfan]

Jrue Holiday traded to Portland for Anfernee Simons and 2 SRPs.

I guess Portland going all in to get to the playoffs this year, will probably need to go through the play in. Not sure what Jrue has left (looked very old against Knicks), strange trade for Portland, seems like if anything they should be getting picks back not sending out to take on that contract. Boston new owners must be overjoyed by the money savings.

I said the very same thing...

[payitforward]

None of the 4 guys in the trade have any relevance to our future or the Pels future. Jordan has had 6 seasons to show what he's capable of. He hasn't shown enough to think there's any success in his future. Bey is a below average player coming off an injury. Not likely to be long for the league..

For that matter, the 2 guys we got for them are no more valuable.

The net of the trade was clearing salary $$ in return for turning the #40 pick this year into a R2 pick in the future.

A perfectly sound move -- might make us better sooner, or not, but can't hurt anything now. & if we get something for McCollum will be a plus. If we can move him right away, great.

[thebigE]

When does this FO office of Dawkins, Schlenk,and Winger get held accountable for wins.? Can’t come soon enough for me cause that will mark the beginning of the end for DSW as the losing will continue. Moving deck chairs around for cap space and/or for pieces that remain unproven in terms of real difference makers is growing tiresome. Ted blew it again, Washington will not create what happened in OKC. What happened in OKC is unique to OKC. Washington will have to forge their own way and I am afraid this group is not equipped to make it happen. If Ted had gotten it right, we would already have seen linear progress. Instead, we swirl and, with this group, will continue to swirl in the cesspool of poor to mediocre NBA play.

[WallToWall]

Middleton, Smart, Holmes, Gill, McCollum, and Olynyk are all expiring deals this season. No need to trade them right away...wait for a good reason. Otherwise, let them expire and it will create $100M in cap space, which can in turn be used to sign some prominent free agents next year.
I'm glad the Poole trade happened, even if it didnt net us a 1st rnd pick as I had hoped. Now, we will need to trade Kispert as well. That would conclude our reset.

[nate33]

When does this FO office of Dawkins, Schlenk,and Winger get held accountable for wins.? Can’t come soon enough for me cause that will mark the beginning of the end for DSW as the losing will continue. Moving deck chairs around for cap space and/or for pieces that remain unproven in terms of real difference makers is growing tiresome. Ted blew it again, Washington will not create what happened in OKC. What happened in OKC is unique to OKC. Washington will have to forge their own way and I am afraid this group is not equipped to make it happen. If Ted had gotten it right, we would already have seen linear progress. Instead, we swirl and, with this group, will continue to swirl in the cesspool of poor to mediocre NBA play.

Ernie Grunfeld, is that you?

Seriously though. What exactly do you expect Winger and co. do to? Blackmail Adam Silver and force him to give us the #1 pick? Strategically, Winger and co. has executed a very competent rebuild plan. It's not their fault they're not San Antonio and lucked into the #1 pick when a generational talent was available, followed by a #2 pick in a 2-deep draft. We get the #2 pick in the worst draft in a decade, followed by the #6 pick when we had the 2nd worst record. Sometimes, you have to be lucky. Without luck, all you can do is make the most of your opportunities, and so far, we've done just that with our draft picks.

[thebigE]

When does this FO office of Dawkins, Schlenk,and Winger get held accountable for wins.? Can’t come soon enough for me cause that will mark the beginning of the end for DSW as the losing will continue. Moving deck chairs around for cap space and/or for pieces that remain unproven in terms of real difference makers is growing tiresome. Ted blew it again, Washington will not create what happened in OKC. What happened in OKC is unique to OKC. Washington will have to forge their own way and I am afraid this group is not equipped to make it happen. If Ted had gotten it right, we would already have seen linear progress. Instead, we swirl and, with this group, will continue to swirl in the cesspool of poor to mediocre NBA play.

Ernie Grunfeld, is that you?

Seriously though. What exactly do you expect Winger and co. do to? Blackmail Adam Silver and force him to give us the #1 pick? Strategically, Winger and co. has executed a very competent rebuild plan. It's not their fault they're not San Antonio and lucked into the #1 pick when a generational talent was available, followed by a #2 pick in a 2-deep draft. We get the #2 pick in the worst draft in a decade, followed by the #6 pick when we had the 2nd worst record. Sometimes, you have to be lucky. Without luck, all you can do is make the most of your opportunities, and so far, we've done just that with our draft picks.

Waiting for this group to make lemonade out of lemons. A really competent front office should be able to do this. I am just not sure DSW has made enough lemonade despite the lemons they’ve been handed. Yes, I am Ernie’s second cousin. Lol!

[TheBlackCzar]

When does this FO office of Dawkins, Schlenk,and Winger get held accountable for wins.? Can’t come soon enough for me cause that will mark the beginning of the end for DSW as the losing will continue. Moving deck chairs around for cap space and/or for pieces that remain unproven in terms of real difference makers is growing tiresome. Ted blew it again, Washington will not create what happened in OKC. What happened in OKC is unique to OKC. Washington will have to forge their own way and I am afraid this group is not equipped to make it happen. If Ted had gotten it right, we would already have seen linear progress. Instead, we swirl and, with this group, will continue to swirl in the cesspool of poor to mediocre NBA play.

What the hell are you whining about... Do you not understand what a tear down and rebuild is, and you're crying ass whining about wins when our draft pick situation has clearly been spelled out umpteenth times on this board....

[tontoz]

When the FO starts resigning their own players, then we can start holding them accountable for wins.

[thebigE]

When does this FO office of Dawkins, Schlenk,and Winger get held accountable for wins.? Can’t come soon enough for me cause that will mark the beginning of the end for DSW as the losing will continue. Moving deck chairs around for cap space and/or for pieces that remain unproven in terms of real difference makers is growing tiresome. Ted blew it again, Washington will not create what happened in OKC. What happened in OKC is unique to OKC. Washington will have to forge their own way and I am afraid this group is not equipped to make it happen. If Ted had gotten it right, we would already have seen linear progress. Instead, we swirl and, with this group, will continue to swirl in the cesspool of poor to mediocre NBA play.

What the hell are you whining about... Do you not understand what a tear down and rebuild is, and you're crying ass whining about wins when our draft pick situation has clearly been spelled out umpteenth times on this board....

Not whining. I know what progress looks like. I am not convinced this group has gotten it done to a level where we are convinced it’s heading in the right direction and that troubles me.
If you want to wait another 3 years of a 5 year rebuild to find out that’s your prerogative. I choose to cut my losses now and move on. I believe that’s what good organizations do. Identify quickly and react accordingly. There’s no prerequisite that a rebuild MUST take 5 years regardless of circumstance. If it fails over 5 years, and obviously my bet is that it does, I am not going anywhere, I’ll be here to accept your apology. However, more importantly I worry what a 5 year failure will mean to an organization that will then embark on yet another direction after what will have been 50 years without a championship and will have been far too long.

[tontoz]

When does this FO office of Dawkins, Schlenk,and Winger get held accountable for wins.? Can’t come soon enough for me cause that will mark the beginning of the end for DSW as the losing will continue. Moving deck chairs around for cap space and/or for pieces that remain unproven in terms of real difference makers is growing tiresome. Ted blew it again, Washington will not create what happened in OKC. What happened in OKC is unique to OKC. Washington will have to forge their own way and I am afraid this group is not equipped to make it happen. If Ted had gotten it right, we would already have seen linear progress. Instead, we swirl and, with this group, will continue to swirl in the cesspool of poor to mediocre NBA play.

What the hell are you whining about... Do you not understand what a tear down and rebuild is, and you're crying ass whining about wins when our draft pick situation has clearly been spelled out umpteenth times on this board....

Not whining. I know what progress looks like. I am not convinced this group has gotten it done to a level where we are convinced it’s heading in the right direction and that troubles me.
If you want to wait another 3 years of a 5 year rebuild to find out that’s your prerogative. I choose to cut my losses now and move on. I believe that’s what good organizations do. Identify quickly and react accordingly. There’s no prerequisite that a rebuild MUST take 5 years regardless of circumstance. If it fails over 5 years, and obviously my bet is that it does, I am not going anywhere, I’ll be here to accept your apology. However, more importantly I worry what a 5 year failure will mean to an organization that will then embark on yet another direction after what will have been 50 years without a championship and will have been far too long.

Dawkins inherited a team with 5 straight sub 36 win seasons (all the while making short term win now moves) that had just resigned Beal to that disaster of a contract. He didn't have a lot to work with.

[thebigE]

What the hell are you whining about... Do you not understand what a tear down and rebuild is, and you're crying ass whining about wins when our draft pick situation has clearly been spelled out umpteenth times on this board....

Not whining. I know what progress looks like. I am not convinced this group has gotten it done to a level where we are convinced it’s heading in the right direction and that troubles me.
If you want to wait another 3 years of a 5 year rebuild to find out that’s your prerogative. I choose to cut my losses now and move on. I believe that’s what good organizations do. Identify quickly and react accordingly. There’s no prerequisite that a rebuild MUST take 5 years regardless of circumstance. If it fails over 5 years, and obviously my bet is that it does, I am not going anywhere, I’ll be here to accept your apology. However, more importantly I worry what a 5 year failure will mean to an organization that will then embark on yet another direction after what will have been 50 years without a championship and will have been far too long.

Dawkins inherited a team with 5 straight sub 36 win seasons (all the while making short term win now moves) that had just resigned Beal to that disaster of a contract. He didn't have a lot to work with.

So where do you think Dawkins will be at the end of this so called rebuild and when? And what will you accept at that point as success? I would hope no less than a World
championship if you are willing to wait. At some point accountability in terms of wins must be part of the evaluation. I don’t see any progress on that front and I expected to see more by now.
This 5 year thing is something the media tries to pass along as reasonable to expect. If you want to buy that, have at it. I don’t necessarily agree.
My standards are higher than that. Greatness comes in all forms and knows no bounds of time. My bet is DSW ain’t great.

[TGW]

Be careful bigE….there are some on this board that said this wizards team was the funnest team they’ve seen in 30 years

Btw I agree with you. I’m not buying that Dawkins is the next coming of Presti. He ain’t close.

[thebigE]

Be careful bigE….there are some on this board that said this wizards team was the funnest team they’ve seen in 30 years

Btw I agree with you. I’m not buying that Dawkins is the next coming of Presti. He ain’t close.

I call it like I see it. I’ve been wrong before.
Let’s hope I am wrong again, but I doubt it. Lol!

[tontoz]

Not whining. I know what progress looks like. I am not convinced this group has gotten it done to a level where we are convinced it’s heading in the right direction and that troubles me.
If you want to wait another 3 years of a 5 year rebuild to find out that’s your prerogative. I choose to cut my losses now and move on. I believe that’s what good organizations do. Identify quickly and react accordingly. There’s no prerequisite that a rebuild MUST take 5 years regardless of circumstance. If it fails over 5 years, and obviously my bet is that it does, I am not going anywhere, I’ll be here to accept your apology. However, more importantly I worry what a 5 year failure will mean to an organization that will then embark on yet another direction after what will have been 50 years without a championship and will have been far too long.

Dawkins inherited a team with 5 straight sub 36 win seasons (all the while making short term win now moves) that had just resigned Beal to that disaster of a contract. He didn't have a lot to work with.

So where do you think Dawkins will be at the end of this so called rebuild and when? And what will you accept at that point as success? I would hope no less than a World
championship if you are willing to wait. At some point accountability in terms of wins must be part of the evaluation. I don’t see any progress on that front and I expected to see more by now.
This 5 year thing is something the media tries to pass along as reasonable to expect. If you want to buy that, have at it. I don’t necessarily agree.
My standards are higher than that. Greatness comes in all forms and knows no bounds of time. My bet is DSW ain’t great.

How long did Grunfail have the job? Was it 14 years without a 50 win season or a trip to the ECF?

[thebigE]

Be careful bigE….there are some on this board that said this wizards team was the funnest team they’ve seen in 30 years

Btw I agree with you. I’m not buying that Dawkins is the next coming of Presti. He ain’t close.

I call it like I see it. I’ve been wrong before.
Let’s hope I am wrong again, but I doubt it. Lol!

Maybe tomorrow they take what I believe would be their first step in turning it all around and find that true difference maker. Fingers crossed.

[thebigE]

Dawkins inherited a team with 5 straight sub 36 win seasons (all the while making short term win now moves) that had just resigned Beal to that disaster of a contract. He didn't have a lot to work with.

So where do you think Dawkins will be at the end of this so called rebuild and when? And what will you accept at that point as success? I would hope no less than a World
championship if you are willing to wait. At some point accountability in terms of wins must be part of the evaluation. I don’t see any progress on that front and I expected to see more by now.
This 5 year thing is something the media tries to pass along as reasonable to expect. If you want to buy that, have at it. I don’t necessarily agree.
My standards are higher than that. Greatness comes in all forms and knows no bounds of time. My bet is DSW ain’t great.

How long did Grunfail have the job? Was it 14 years without a 50 win season or a trip to the ECF?

Yes, but Grunfeld certainly shouldn’t be the bar or standard as I am sure you know.