Charles Barkley: 'There Are Levels to Greatness—Rings Matter!'"

[BeatDaCavs420]

I think LeBron and Kareem are in the top tier because they won rings in more than 2 different teams.

They proved they were more than the sons of a wealthy family (great coach, teammates, etc), they were the common denominator.

If anything that’s a disqualifier for LeBron because he went around deliberately constructing super teams like a mercenary. Not to mention one is a lockout chip and the other is the bubble chip.

Literally lmao

[BeatDaCavs420]

Only LeBron stans disagree with this.

This seems like a false argument being made, not sure if that was the OP intention. First, Lebron is in that next level group that Charles is talking about, so why would Lebron super fans disagree? Maybe Stockton and Malone fans, or Barkley fans, or Ewing fans, but Lebron fans makes no sense.

Also, there's rarely anyone that says, "rings don't matter", so it's just wasteful discussion and the general strawman stuff if we're saying, "yea, take that person who says rings don't matter". What people differ in is how much value is placed on each individual ring, and how much rings matter. Rings mattering though is different from simply, let's just count up the rings and whomever wins is the best, and the reality is that even the people who try to do that in one situation don't unanimously agree that Bill Russell > ALL, so they themselves don't believe that.

It is.

This is rich coming for you Taj oh wait that was your other account sorry. Anyways you're same guy who keeps a bulls icon in his profile to make it seem less crazy that he defends lebron being the goat

[cupcakesnake]

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That’s pretty much where I am, LeBron is great and all, but I would rather watch a whole team play a more ensemble game than watch LeBron do everything. i would except the Lakers title, he and Davis played well together and were pretty to watch even for me.

I think this is 100% about skillset, though people try to make it a narrative about ego (Lebron's raging narcissism needing every possession to be about him!)

Though Jordan was a talented passer in his own right, he was wired to score, and score super aggressively with rim attacks and midrange counters. Early in his career, he was criticized for being selfish, and the Bulls would routinely go down (to better teams) when opponents keyed in on Jordan, throwing tons of help at him and making his scoring aggression work against him. The triangle offense was so perfect for Jordan's skillset, because it allowed him to use all his scoring aggression all the time, but it put it in the context of moving and toggling on and off the ball, making it really hard to send as much help in most situations.

Lebron came into the league a monster athlete and talented passer. His scoring game was initially a bit awkward, as he- like every wing in the post-jordan era- tried to be like Mike: rim attacks against loaded paints and countering into fadeaways. Lebron did not have Jordan's shooting touch. What Lebron was really special at was: pressure the rim, collapsing defenses, and countering with smart passing reads. Eventually, coaches started building offenses around that skill set, and it meant that the more Lebron had the ball, the better.

I didn't really like the spammy Lebron ball either, but it was obnoxiously effective so we are just talking about stylistic preference when we criticize it, rather than saying Lebron's style is less impactful than MJ in the triangle.

[bledredwine]

I think LeBron and Kareem are in the top tier because they won rings in more than 2 different teams.

They proved they were more than the sons of a wealthy family (great coach, teammates, etc), they were the common denominator.

If anything that’s a disqualifier for LeBron because he went around deliberately constructing super teams like a mercenary. Not to mention one is a lockout chip and the other is the bubble chip.

Literally lmao

lmao=literally money and onpoint