Political Roundtable Part XXXIV

[verbal8]

Trump bombs Iran on the same day he’s quoted as saying he should have four or five Nobel Peace prizes by now. I really can’t figure out the exact combination of ego, greed, cowardice, immaturity, idiocy, and insanity that guy has, but insanity seems to be running the show right now. Improve the economy, cut prices, reduce the deficit, drain the swamp, end corruption, protect elections, end the Israeli-Palestinian crisis, end the war in Ukraine, no more forever wars. I think he also promised to be the best president of anything ever, real or fictional. Just say anything and do the opposite.

Trump wanted to attack Iran anyway, but I think the lameness of his Birthday perade was a factor in choosing to do it.

[TheBlackCzar]

Yet he wasn't a tyrant... He was killed because he was trying to unite Africa under a single golden dinar currency wholey backed by gold, and to abandon the dollar, which is used with the CFA Frank to rob Africa blind.. Hillary Clintons mail server contained the emails confirming this... IMF policies force these countries to surrender 65-75% of there mineral rights in exchange for unbacked bills printed by Western countries, and opening up unprepared markets to external exploitation, which keeps this countries in a cycle of poverty and lack of developmental advancements in living quarters, food, healthcare, etc....

He was killed also after receiving assurance from Hillary that his motorcade would be allowed safe passage.

What really happened was that when he came out to flee, drones blew up cars around him, and he was left with one of his sons and others to run on foot while rebels were in hot pursuit. Hillary set him up to be killed.

What you say above makes perfectly good sense.

I always thought of him as a bad guy. Are all these claims of human rights abuses false?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_violations_during_the_Gaddafi_regime

Watch on YouTube

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This is about Netanyahu using the US for all kinds of BS.....
As far as Gaddafi, his government is also mentioned as having nuclear or atomic capabilities which of course they didn't...
Once again it was Netanyahu saying the same thing as he's said about Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran, etc....
How can you keep getting away with the same crap everytime, with no validation, just your words accusing everybody of what you are actually guilty of doing....
Every country in the Middle East that's on their own soverign lands are continually accused of having weapons so there lands can be taken....

As far as Gaddafi and these claims, well it's easy to spread propaganda to fit your point of view... Since we didn't have the internet in the interation it presently is in, it was easier to convince people that the BS they were peddling was actually true...

Problem is with the proliferation of cell phones, tablets, and all kinds of mobile recording devices, telling lies and doing things in secrecy are much more difficult...

For instance the news (CNN, MSNBC, FOX) was saying Israel was blocking 97% of the incoming missiles, but youtube, tiktok, instagram and a lot of social media apps showed countless videos telling an entirely different story... One which can't be explained away with everybody being a guru at video editing to create mythical content....

So we'll see how things play out unfortunately....

[Wizardspride]

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[payitforward]

This is about Netanyahu using the US for all kinds of BS.....

I understand the sentiment, & Netanyahu is a major axxhole, but you're pointing the finger at the wrong guy.

A competent American President could restrain Netanyahu (at least to some degree!). Instead, we have a weak, self-centered fool in the White House who doesn't want to see headlines about other guys when he can get in on the action. Behind him is a crowd of every kind of fool -- from MAGA dimwits to single-minded billionaires who imagine Fascism is "good for business."

We are, the world is, in big trouble.

[Wizardspride]

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[bsilver]

He was killed also after receiving assurance from Hillary that his motorcade would be allowed safe passage.

What really happened was that when he came out to flee, drones blew up cars around him, and he was left with one of his sons and others to run on foot while rebels were in hot pursuit. Hillary set him up to be killed.

What you say above makes perfectly good sense.

I always thought of him as a bad guy. Are all these claims of human rights abuses false?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_violations_during_the_Gaddafi_regime

Watch on YouTube

;t=619s

This is about Netanyahu using the US for all kinds of BS.....
As far as Gaddafi, his government is also mentioned as having nuclear or atomic capabilities which of course they didn't...
Once again it was Netanyahu saying the same thing as he's said about Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran, etc....
How can you keep getting away with the same crap everytime, with no validation, just your words accusing everybody of what you are actually guilty of doing....
Every country in the Middle East that's on their own soverign lands are continually accused of having weapons so there lands can be taken....

As far as Gaddafi and these claims, well it's easy to spread propaganda to fit your point of view... Since we didn't have the internet in the interation it presently is in, it was easier to convince people that the BS they were peddling was actually true...

Problem is with the proliferation of cell phones, tablets, and all kinds of mobile recording devices, telling lies and doing things in secrecy are much more difficult...

For instance the news (CNN, MSNBC, FOX) was saying Israel was blocking 97% of the incoming missiles, but youtube, tiktok, instagram and a lot of social media apps showed countless videos telling an entirely different story... One which can't be explained away with everybody being a guru at video editing to create mythical content....

So we'll see how things play out unfortunately....

I understand that much of the information we get is just propaganda, and that Netanyahu is garbage. However, I believe it is possible to come up with an impartial, fact based history of the area.

I've read, researched, and studied enough to know that some mid-east leaders are/were horrible people, and that their removal or death was a good thing. Thinking of the likes of Saddam Hussein, Bashar al-Assad, ISIS... Their victims were their own people. (That doesn't mean that a George W. Bush can make stuff up and start a war.)

I don't put much stock in the idea of sovereign lands in the mid-east. It was owned by the Ottomans, then the British and carved it up into arbitrary countries. Then some strong man managed to get control for the benefit of his tribe/sect/whatever so they could get the wealth and repress the rest of the population. It's hard to come up with a "good" mid-east country ruled for the benefit of all it's people.

[Zonkerbl]

I just don't know that the Israel Iran situation would be any different if Harris were president. That's one of the main reasons she's not.

[payitforward]

I understand that much of the information we get is just propaganda, and that Netanyahu is garbage. However, I believe it is possible to come up with an impartial, fact based history of the area....

Yes, but this is not it.

...I've read, researched, and studied enough to know that some mid-east leaders are/were horrible people, and that their removal or death was a good thing. Thinking of the likes of Saddam Hussein, Bashar al-Assad, ISIS... Their victims were their own people. (That doesn't mean that a George W. Bush can make stuff up and start a war.)

...I don't put much stock in the idea of sovereign lands in the mid-east. It was owned by the Ottomans, then the British and carved it up into arbitrary countries. Then some strong man managed to get control for the benefit of his tribe/sect/whatever so they could get the wealth and repress the rest of the population. It's hard to come up with a "good" mid-east country ruled for the benefit of all it's people.

"Iran" is Persia -- perhaps the oldest conrinuous organized civilization in all of human history.

For the rest, do you include Israel in your narrative of "arbitrary countries?" of t

Would you say Saddam Hussein was as bad as Hitler? Or Mussolini? If not, then why aren't Germany & Italy also "arbitrary countries?" In fact, the creation of these nations in the late 18th thru mid 19th century was no different, no less arbitrary, no less inhuman than the history of the middle east. Nor did their leaders kill fewer people than, say, Saddam -- more people in fact. Start by reading Timothy Snyder's book, "Bloodlands."

[payitforward]

Well, that was sort of intemperate of me -- I apologize.

I'm pretty freaked out right now. I have a son in Tel Aviv -- he's an NBC journalist who works with Richard Engel (who is also there)....

[closg00]

This is about Netanyahu using the US for all kinds of BS.....

I understand the sentiment, & Netanyahu is a major axxhole, but you're pointing the finger at the wrong guy.

A competent American President could restrain Netanyahu (at least to some degree!). Instead, we have a weak, self-centered fool in the White House who doesn't want to see headlines about other guys when he can get in on the action. Behind him is a crowd of every kind of fool -- from MAGA dimwits to single-minded billionaires who imagine Fascism is "good for business."

We are, the world is, in big trouble.

The last U.S President to actually check Israel was poppa Bush, he made them freeze the settlements, Obama is his own way did it too through the JCPOA, it neutralized Bibi who as we know has be clamoring to take-on Iran for the last 20 years…or longer. Biden was pathetic, and Trump even worse.

[dckingsfan]

I understand that much of the information we get is just propaganda, and that Netanyahu is garbage. However, I believe it is possible to come up with an impartial, fact based history of the area....

Yes, but this is not it.

...I've read, researched, and studied enough to know that some mid-east leaders are/were horrible people, and that their removal or death was a good thing. Thinking of the likes of Saddam Hussein, Bashar al-Assad, ISIS... Their victims were their own people. (That doesn't mean that a George W. Bush can make stuff up and start a war.)

...I don't put much stock in the idea of sovereign lands in the mid-east. It was owned by the Ottomans, then the British and carved it up into arbitrary countries. Then some strong man managed to get control for the benefit of his tribe/sect/whatever so they could get the wealth and repress the rest of the population. It's hard to come up with a "good" mid-east country ruled for the benefit of all it's people.

"Iran" is Persia -- perhaps the oldest conrinuous organized civilization in all of human history.

For the rest, do you include Israel in your narrative of "arbitrary countries?" of t

Would you say Saddam Hussein was as bad as Hitler? Or Mussolini? If not, then why aren't Germany & Italy also "arbitrary countries?" In fact, the creation of these nations in the late 18th thru mid 19th century was no different, no less arbitrary, no less inhuman than the history of the middle east. Nor did their leaders kill fewer people than, say, Saddam -- more people in fact. Start by reading Timothy Snyder's book, "Bloodlands."

Any one specific book you have around the American Indian genocide and our expansion west?

[Kanyewest]

I just don't know that the Israel Iran situation would be any different if Harris were president. That's one of the main reasons she's not.

Unclear- Netanyahu was pushing for a regime change under Biden and was not given consent according to something I watched- I have to double check though.

[Benjammin]

Trump is either brilliant (like the SNL skit about Reagan) or he is the luckiest m-fer ever. I'll take door number 2.

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[Wizardspride]

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[Wizardspride]

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[dobrojim]

I doubt anyone here cares much (I don't give AF) but Golfy
is pissed dropping an F bomb on the WH lawn.

It's only notable because there may still be evangelicals
that think he is one of them. Still.

[AFM]

I doubt anyone here cares much (I don't give AF) but Golfy
is pissed dropping an F bomb on the WH lawn.

It's only notable because there may still be evangelicals
that think he is one of them. Still.

I saw that. This seems more important:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/24/us/politics/iran-nuclear-sites.html

Strike Set Back Iran’s Nuclear Program by Only a Few Months, U.S. Report Says

Classified findings indicate that the attack sealed off the entrances to two facilities but did not collapse their underground buildings.


This administration is just so incompetent

[payitforward]

I understand that much of the information we get is just propaganda, and that Netanyahu is garbage. However, I believe it is possible to come up with an impartial, fact based history of the area....

Yes, but this is not it.

...I've read, researched, and studied enough to know that some mid-east leaders are/were horrible people, and that their removal or death was a good thing. Thinking of the likes of Saddam Hussein, Bashar al-Assad, ISIS... Their victims were their own people. (That doesn't mean that a George W. Bush can make stuff up and start a war.)

...I don't put much stock in the idea of sovereign lands in the mid-east. It was owned by the Ottomans, then the British and carved it up into arbitrary countries. Then some strong man managed to get control for the benefit of his tribe/sect/whatever so they could get the wealth and repress the rest of the population. It's hard to come up with a "good" mid-east country ruled for the benefit of all it's people.

"Iran" is Persia -- perhaps the oldest conrinuous organized civilization in all of human history.

For the rest, do you include Israel in your narrative of "arbitrary countries?" of t

Would you say Saddam Hussein was as bad as Hitler? Or Mussolini? If not, then why aren't Germany & Italy also "arbitrary countries?" In fact, the creation of these nations in the late 18th thru mid 19th century was no different, no less arbitrary, no less inhuman than the history of the middle east. Nor did their leaders kill fewer people than, say, Saddam -- more people in fact. Start by reading Timothy Snyder's book, "Bloodlands."

Any one specific book you have around the American Indian genocide and our expansion west?

It's been forever since I read anything on this subject -- literally 50 plus years. These 3 books are meant to be outstanding:

https://www.amazon.com/Continental-Reckoning-American-Expansion-History/dp/1496233581/

https://www.amazon.com/Great-Father-Government-American-Abridged-ebook/dp/B00PGHIFFE/

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=pekka+hamalainen+indigenous+continent&crid=342NVAXBZ0DOH&sprefix=pekka+h%2Caps%2C120

... but I don't know them. What I can recommend -- highly! -- is John Ford's great film, Cheyenne Autumn --

https://www.amazon.com/Cheyenne-Autumn-Richard-Widmark/dp/B006FY5VJA/

One of the greatest movies ever made.

[dckingsfan]

Yes, but this is not it.


"Iran" is Persia -- perhaps the oldest conrinuous organized civilization in all of human history.

For the rest, do you include Israel in your narrative of "arbitrary countries?" of t

Would you say Saddam Hussein was as bad as Hitler? Or Mussolini? If not, then why aren't Germany & Italy also "arbitrary countries?" In fact, the creation of these nations in the late 18th thru mid 19th century was no different, no less arbitrary, no less inhuman than the history of the middle east. Nor did their leaders kill fewer people than, say, Saddam -- more people in fact. Start by reading Timothy Snyder's book, "Bloodlands."

Any one specific book you have around the American Indian genocide and our expansion west?

It's been forever since I read anything on this subject -- literally 50 plus years. These 3 books are meant to be outstanding:

https://www.amazon.com/Continental-Reckoning-American-Expansion-History/dp/1496233581/

https://www.amazon.com/Great-Father-Government-American-Abridged-ebook/dp/B00PGHIFFE/

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=pekka+hamalainen+indigenous+continent&crid=342NVAXBZ0DOH&sprefix=pekka+h%2Caps%2C120

... but I don't know them. What I can recommend -- highly! -- is John Ford's great film, Cheyenne Autumn --

https://www.amazon.com/Cheyenne-Autumn-Richard-Widmark/dp/B006FY5VJA/

One of the greatest movies ever made.

Thanks...

[montestewart]

I doubt anyone here cares much (I don't give AF) but Golfy
is pissed dropping an F bomb on the WH lawn.

It's only notable because there may still be evangelicals
that think he is one of them. Still.

In 2016 I predicted he would say t*ts in a speech. Can’t be much longer now.