2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (Wow this is fun!)

[jfs1000d]

The Holiday trade tells us a lot. They couldn't get enough lowered to get them close to the 2nd apron, so they got some money taken off and some talent back. To me that tells us more about KP. Maybe they know more about this illness then they let on.
Realistically now to me it's trade KP or Brown.

That is one possibility. It could also tell us that they know Simons contact is easier to find a partner to absorb money so they collected a couple picks from Portland and the only thing that has changed is they're now shopping Simons instead of Holiday

You can always keep downgrading. Save $5 million in salary on Jrue vs Simons

Now, find a deal that saves $5 million on Simons vs. xxxx.

Essentially, get two players for $27M for Simons, and then use a first round pick to get rid of one of those players into a MLE or a TpE or a team under the cap.

You can shave $19 million for essentially a first round pick and got out of $90 million in salary.


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[redslastlaugh]

That is one possibility. It could also tell us that they know Simons contact is easier to find a partner to absorb money so they collected a couple picks from Portland and the only thing that has changed is they're now shopping Simons instead of Holiday

You can always keep downgrading. Save $5 million in salary on Jrue vs Simons

Now, find a deal that saves $5 million on Simons vs. xxxx.

And also, we are going to need some salary weight on the books that we can send out later in the summer or next season in trades as well. If we trade KP for a lower salaried player and lose Al or Luke to free agency, then having a player on the books at $15 or $20 or $25 million gives us the salary match to go get a center later on.

If we move Sam into an exception we'll only be about $5 million above the apron, though with a few roster spots left to fill and not much big man depth on the roster. Still, we went all in to field a championship contender, that succeeded in a banner and now that the window has closed, it's going to take more than one offseason to reorganize the team into the next iteration of a contending roster.

[Celticlifer]

Where are we if we get rid of simons with no money back, keep porzingis and maybe resign Al to a two year deal with say vet min this year and $10m next year. Or do the same for Kornet, pay him low money this year but higher money down the road. Or both. I think we still have to get rid of Hauser in that scenario. we run it back minus Jrue and Hauser. Pick up someone in the draft. Add a vet guard on minimum. We see where we are in February. If Tatum is coming back and Porzingis and everyone else is healthy, we look to see if we can make a run. If not, we adjust.

[Shak_Celts]

Can we move Hauser and get under the 2nd apron without moving KP?

This might be an unpopular opinion but I'd prefer to keep KP and extend him at a lower salary if possible.

On the surface no. They only saved $4.7 million in the Holiday deal. They are now $18 million over the 2nd apron with a minimum of 4 roster spots to fill. Since Hauser is on the books for 2025-26 you can save at most $8 million by trading him with nothing coming back. But two of those 4 players we hope are Kornet and Horford. Let's say we get incredible hometown discounts and they sign for the $8million gained in trading Hauser. Then they sign two minimum players to have the minimum 14 player roster. Now you are at $20 million over. Can they make a trade to shave off $20 million with Simons? Maybe. It is at least possibility that didn't exist with Jrue's contract. But they would need to in essence trade a $28 million per contract for an $8 million contract. What team in today's apron world trades an $8 million f
The Holiday trade tells us a lot. They couldn't get enough lowered to get them close to the 2nd apron, so they got some money taken off and some talent back. To me that tells us more about KP. Maybe they know more about this illness then they let on.
Realistically now to me it's trade KP or Brown.

No Holiday, KP, Hauser, Kornet, Al
+ Simons

Championship or bust

Pretty sure JT/JB needed all that to compete for a championship. How do you get even close to that going forward? Treadmill, here we come.

Pretty sure they have been competitive without all that for most of the jays career. We may not win it all, but that’s a usual season for EVERY TEAM, we just won more than most of them while doing it.


Stop pretending like every season is a championship season. Even teams you loved didn’t win it all and you enjoyed it.

This championship or bust thing is funny, Cs have 2 chips in a bazillion years and we all have had good times and bad, we’re still here!

If the team doesn’t win next season, I’ll know when it happens, I’m going to enjoy the ride until then!

[165bows]

Easiest guy to get rid of is KP not because of the money but because he didn't play.

Keeping Simons eats a tiny bit into Tatum's lost minutes (since he, if still on the team, could potentially play more often than Jrue), but they are still down ~2500 minutes played even if he stays. Then another 1500 if Hauser is traded, 1210 for KP, Horford's 1659 is going down even if he stays, Kornet might play more than his 1360 *if* he stays...

Long story short this team is going to bring in more than one guy aged 25-29 that can play minutes, maybe a few of them.

While managing to cut salary.

Edit: peruse the list of guys under contract, knowing that likely 2 out of 3 of Hauser/KP/Simons won't stick.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/yearly

Leaves Brown/White/Pritchard and some fringy development guys.

[FrodoFraggins]

Does KP actually have more value than Jrue did? If so I assume it's because of the short contract? Because the dude is hurt a LOT and I wouldn't want to trade for him. Well not unless he was looking good mid season at the trade deadline.

[celtxman]

Can we move Hauser and get under the 2nd apron without moving KP?

This might be an unpopular opinion but I'd prefer to keep KP and extend him at a lower salary if possible.

On the surface no. They only saved $4.7 million in the Holiday deal. They are now $18 million over the 2nd apron with a minimum of 4 roster spots to fill. Since Hauser is on the books for 2025-26 you can save at most $8 million by trading him with nothing coming back. But two of those 4 players we hope are Kornet and Horford. Let's say we get incredible hometown discounts and they sign for the $8million gained in trading Hauser. Then they sign two minimum players to have the minimum 14 player roster. Now you are at $20 million over. Can they make a trade to shave off $20 million with Simons? Maybe. It is at least possibility that didn't exist with Jrue's contract. But they would need to in essence trade a $28 million per contract for an $8 million contract. What team in today's apron world trades an $8 million f
The Holiday trade tells us a lot. They couldn't get enough lowered to get them close to the 2nd apron, so they got some money taken off and some talent back. To me that tells us more about KP. Maybe they know more about this illness then they let on.
Realistically now to me it's trade KP or Brown.

No Holiday, KP, Hauser, Kornet, Al
+ Simons

Championship or bust

Pretty sure JT/JB needed all that to compete for a championship. How do you get even close to that going forward? Treadmill, here we come.

IMO I think Brad is trying to do it all - get under the 2nd apron and have/develop talent. But he's doing it without Tatum and which may be the loss of KP with no return because of this illness. So he's doing this with one hand tied behind his back.
I may have posted more between here and the General Board maybe more than any other poster in all of RealGM, saying how bad the CBA is. Yeah, make Tatum and Brown the poster children of the celebrated plan of home grown stars staying in town by giving them the SUPERMAX only since they make over $100 million between them they can't have a great team around them. I digress.
But now we are here and it's happening. I do believe the motto is still championship or bust. It's just extremely hard in this CBA and dealing with injuries/illness

[SparringPartner]

Stop pretending like every season is a championship season. Even teams you loved didn’t win it all and you enjoyed it.

This championship or bust thing is funny, Cs have 2 chips in a bazillion years and we all have had good times and bad, we’re still here!

If the team doesn’t win next season, I’ll know when it happens, I’m going to enjoy the ride until then!

No pretending here, I promise. I respect your opinion, and its the most likely outcome.

My take: This team needs a significant mental shift. The financial situation and JT's injury are just placeholders for what needed to be done anyway. The common denominators are Brad, Mazzulla (not really), JT, and JB.

Brad's not going anywhere
Mazzulla has shown he can adjust
JT is the face of the franchise and has become a better team offensive player

JB is the odd man out. Sell high, buy low.

If you move JB, you might as well cash out D.White.

Again, my opinion, and it is less likely to happen.

[leper-con]

All the tea leaves point to us getting the spurs number 14 pick . The spurs already have to many young players . It’s just what is the cost going to be ?

[BleedGreen1989]

I’d be pretty happy with something around Barnes for KP.

Barnes still gives you 12-15 points, can shoot, average defender at worse and is the polar opposite of KP in the fact dude is an Ironman. He never misses games.

The center position would need work obviously but that’s still the case.

[leper-con]

I’d be pretty happy with something around Barnes for KP.

Barnes still gives you 12-15 points, can shoot, average defender at worse and is the polar opposite of KP in the fact dude is an Ironman. He never misses games.

The center position would need work obviously but that’s still the case.

And If we can negotiate for the #14 pick as well then all the better

[jfs1000d]

All the tea leaves point to us getting the spurs number 14 pick . The spurs already have to many young players . It’s just what is the cost going to be ?

Why would we want to add the 14 pick salary when we are cutting? I’d trade for future firsts and trade our first this year for 2 seconds, a future first or grab a stash candidate.

We can afford anyone at this stupid CBA deal. I blame the owners. They allow for these salaries, and then the owners were willing to pay double? Gtfo.


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[BleedGreen1989]

I’d be pretty happy with something around Barnes for KP.

Barnes still gives you 12-15 points, can shoot, average defender at worse and is the polar opposite of KP in the fact dude is an Ironman. He never misses games.

The center position would need work obviously but that’s still the case.

And If we can negotiate for the #14 pick as well then all the better

Feels like a pipe dream but I won’t question Brad.

[Dogen]

I’d be pretty happy with something around Barnes for KP.

Barnes still gives you 12-15 points, can shoot, average defender at worse and is the polar opposite of KP in the fact dude is an Ironman. He never misses games.

The center position would need work obviously but that’s still the case.

And If we can negotiate for the #14 pick as well then all the better

KP for Barnes + #14 is good, let's roll!

Saves on salary but can the team add two firsts this year and still get out of the penalty?

[165bows]

Celtics trade KP/Hauser
get Rui and #22

Lakers trade Knecht, Rui and Kleber
get KP/Hauser

ATL trades TPE and #22
gets Knecht and Kleber

Then just dump Rui for 2nds later to save more money.

[Celticlifer]

Stop pretending like every season is a championship season. Even teams you loved didn’t win it all and you enjoyed it.

This championship or bust thing is funny, Cs have 2 chips in a bazillion years and we all have had good times and bad, we’re still here!

If the team doesn’t win next season, I’ll know when it happens, I’m going to enjoy the ride until then!

No pretending here, I promise. I respect your opinion, and its the most likely outcome.

My take: This team needs a significant mental shift. The financial situation and JT's injury are just placeholders for what needed to be done anyway. The common denominators are Brad, Mazzulla (not really), JT, and JB.

Brad's not going anywhere
Mazzulla has shown he can adjust
JT is the face of the franchise and has become a better team offensive player

JB is the odd man out. Sell high, buy low.

If you move JB, you might as well cash out D.White.

Again, my opinion, and it is less likely to happen.

Are you sure you're not confused and think this is the Red sox board?

[Shak_Celts]

I’m no longer opposed to getting off JB, I don’t want it, but I’ll be okay if it’s going to catapult us into more winning. I’m opposed to the idea that we have to be bad just because Tatum is down for a while. I’m opposed to trading him just because some of you think life stops without Tatum.

I don’t want to watch a losing team just because some of you think we’ll hit the gem of the lottery one day. I want to be entertained, losing is not entertaining.

Sure, I’ll stick around through the losing, but we shouldn’t have to. CBA, MMA, BBL the Celtics can be competitive and still build better.

We may not win the chip, but I believed Brad when he said he is the wrong man if it’s tanking you’re looking for. Danny found that out the hard way when he tried giving Brad, um… some guys, and we were still competitive in the playoffs.

[djFan71]

Celtics trade KP/Hauser
get Rui and #22

Lakers trade Knecht, Rui and Kleber
get KP/Hauser

ATL trades TPE and #22
gets Knecht and Kleber

Then just dump Rui for 2nds later to save more money.

ATL might need 32 back. Knecht has value, but maybe 22 at best, then they eat Kleber for the pleasure.

And, man, Rui is so close to working actually. If you sign 22, 28, keep JD, you're $1.1M under the apron with only 13 guys.
No Kornet or Al, but within tap-dancing room at the end of the season.

Flip Rui back to WAS for KO and some 2nds. It's inevitable we get him back. And they get Rui back. Win/win for everyone but Rui...

[Celts17Pride]

Jaylen Brown not going any where. Celtics want to compete in 2026/2027

[165bows]

Celtics trade KP/Hauser
get Rui and #22

Lakers trade Knecht, Rui and Kleber
get KP/Hauser

ATL trades TPE and #22
gets Knecht and Kleber

Then just dump Rui for 2nds later to save more money.

ATL might need 32 back. Knecht has value, but maybe 22 at best, then they eat Kleber for the pleasure.

And, man, Rui is so close to working actually. If you sign 22, 28, keep JD, you're $1.1M under the apron with only 13 guys.
No Kornet or Al, but within tap-dancing room at the end of the season.

Flip Rui back to WAS for KO and some 2nds. It's inevitable we get him back. And they get Rui back. Win/win for everyone but Rui...

Yeah this is the understated story this team has no established players ready to play under contract next year. Even that deal above is a net negative in minutes played since Rui alone isn't playing the 2700 minutes Hauser/KP played. And KO even less.

Posted it in the draft thread but they are about to draft 2-4 senior late first/second round picks this week. No young players allowed coming in this week.