2025 Draft prospects - thread 3

[greenwing]

Latest rumors are that Queen & Noa are in the top 10 range now, 2 of the 3 Bulls reported targets by KC.
It will be interesting if the Bulls just go down their list or if they just pick up a guy that drops without the workout.

Matas fell to us. No reason not to draft BPA like the Spurs typically do if someone falls. I still like Danny Wolf as a fit for this roster but if Jakucionis falls to 12 I would be surprised if we don't pick him.

[Red Larrivee]

He’s one of the worst shooting prospects in NBA history. The league is built around offense, not defense. In the playoffs, weaknesses get exposed. In the playoffs, he will be unplayable. 6’6” and can’t shoot. He’s an innate liability if pillar of a lineup, period.

Look at the combine, he was air balling wide open shots. Missing left, missing right, air short. Elbow in different positions and flaring out the longer the distance. Terrible form and consistency from anywhere outside of the paint. It’s a train wreck of a shot and he wouldn’t be a candidate for the NBA if not for amazing defense.

You do realize that NBA offense isn't just about making threes right?

His perimeter shooting is obviously a concern, but it's not past the point of no return. If you take him, you're banking on turning him into a passable shooter. If he becomes even just an okay shooter in the lane of Aaron Gordon or Julius Randle, then he's going to be a really, really good two-way player for a long time.

[BullsSD]

"airball freethrows" He makes 70% on 6 attempts.

He’s one of the worst shooting prospects in NBA history.

so then this is 100% made up: "On the contrary sir I’ve done a deep dive into all of these potential first round picks as well as fringe second round"

Let’s keep it respectful and counter with facts ya?

He was the focal point on a very bad team and got a ton of lay ups that will not be available in the NBA.

Sometimes you need to rely on gut instinct and the eye test when evaluating prospects, not raw numbers. When CMB shoots, the crowd cringes.

If you wanna do raw data, we can ask AI “Is Collin Murray Boyles historically a good shooting prospect for the NBA?”

ANSWER: Murray-Boyles, a 6'7" forward from South Carolina, is not considered a strong shooting prospect by NBA standards. His college career three-point shooting percentage is 23.1% (9/39 over two seasons), with a sophomore season mark of 26.5% on 15 attempts. His free-throw shooting is also below average, and scouting reports note that he wasn't a proficient shooter in high school either, suggesting limited historical evidence of shooting upside. NBA scouts have expressed concerns about his lack of shooting range, particularly for a player undersized for a traditional post role at 6'6.5" barefoot, which impacts his positional fit as a modern NBA forward who needs to stretch the floor.

I rest my case.

[Chi town]

cowley:

All signs point to the Bulls selecting a frontcourt player with defensive specialist Collin Murray-Boyles in the lead out of the gate, especially if they feel good about a Williams deal happening. Noa Essengue and Asa Newell are also possibilities.

If Karnisovas opts to go guard — like a Kasparas Jakucionis or an Egor Demin — it’s safe to say that Ball or White will be on the move.

also throws cold water on the ace rumors.

i am honestly perfectly content with cmb/essengue/newell as our shortlist. i've gotten weirdly antsy about guys with potential defensive shortcomings over the past few days

Putting it all together…

Bulls considering Maluach if the trade up price isn’t steep. I believe it will be and they will stay where they are.

Vecenie mocked Beringer to us based on what he is hearing.

KC and Cowley both saying CMB or Noa.

I like how Cowley says Williams would need to be dealt if CMB picked as there won’t be the mins. I think CMB and Noa will both play the 5 in the future.

[NecessaryEvil]

CMB it is

Read on Twitter

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[Chi town]

I’d stay put and take Beringer over moving up for Maluach.

I'm extremely high on Beringer, but he's gonna come out of the gate unpolished and relatively irrelevant on offense. If you want us to stink it up, for a potential long term advantage that may or may not come with his development, I understand but I completely disagree with you. Rebuilds are rarely successfully built in a vacuum. The last time something like that happened was the 76ers who made the wise decision to wait on Embiid. Team chemistry and culture must be tended to, not just "also" during a rebuild, but especially. Losing has a way of bleeding player motivation, work ethic, and mindset in adversity, and therefore player development-- which should be the primary focus during any rebuild's initial stages--will suffer if we get too long term focused in what we do. Drafting Maluach means we'll have a guy who can contribute alleyoops with Giddey on offense while bringing the defense and rebounding. Maluach must develop his game further, but he is still much further along than Beringer.

We don’t really know where Maluach is offensively because all he did was alley oops and he didn’t show nearly the same high level defense or motor as Beringer did.

I think Beinger is a backup 5 day one all due to his D. I think he’s a better lob threat too due to his quicker hops and the way he tracks the ball. Malauch is just bigger.

[Jcool0]

cowley:

All signs point to the Bulls selecting a frontcourt player with defensive specialist Collin Murray-Boyles in the lead out of the gate, especially if they feel good about a Williams deal happening. Noa Essengue and Asa Newell are also possibilities.

If Karnisovas opts to go guard — like a Kasparas Jakucionis or an Egor Demin — it’s safe to say that Ball or White will be on the move.

also throws cold water on the ace rumors.

i am honestly perfectly content with cmb/essengue/newell as our shortlist. i've gotten weirdly antsy about guys with potential defensive shortcomings over the past few days

Putting it all together…

Bulls considering Maluach if the trade up price isn’t steep. I believe it will be and they will stay where they are.

Vecenie mocked Beringer to us based on what he is hearing.

KC and Cowley both saying CMB or Noa.

I like how Cowley says Williams would need to be dealt if CMB picked as there won’t be the mins. I think CMB and Noa will both play the 5 in the future.

Vecenie mocked Carter Bryant to Chicago.

[Chi town]

cowley:



also throws cold water on the ace rumors.

i am honestly perfectly content with cmb/essengue/newell as our shortlist. i've gotten weirdly antsy about guys with potential defensive shortcomings over the past few days

Putting it all together…

Bulls considering Maluach if the trade up price isn’t steep. I believe it will be and they will stay where they are.

Vecenie mocked Beringer to us based on what he is hearing.

KC and Cowley both saying CMB or Noa.

I like how Cowley says Williams would need to be dealt if CMB picked as there won’t be the mins. I think CMB and Noa will both play the 5 in the future.

Vecenie mocked Carter Bryant to Chicago.

Yesterday it was Beringer for the athletic

[boozapalooza]

FWIW, grain of salt, Draftkings odds for 12th pick as follows:

KJ +275
Queen +330
Egor +500
Carter Bryant +550
Noa +750
CMB +900
Coward +900
Maluach +1600
Asa Newell +1600

[Jcool0]

He’s one of the worst shooting prospects in NBA history.

so then this is 100% made up: "On the contrary sir I’ve done a deep dive into all of these potential first round picks as well as fringe second round"

Let’s keep it respectful and counter with facts ya?

He was the focal point on a very bad team and got a ton of lay ups that will not be available in the NBA.

Sometimes you need to rely on gut instinct and the eye test when evaluating prospects, not raw numbers. When CMB shoots, the crowd cringes.

If you wanna do raw data, we can ask AI “Is Collin Murray Boyles historically a good shooting prospect for the NBA?”

ANSWER: Murray-Boyles, a 6'7" forward from South Carolina, is not considered a strong shooting prospect by NBA standards. His college career three-point shooting percentage is 23.1% (9/39 over two seasons), with a sophomore season mark of 26.5% on 15 attempts. His free-throw shooting is also below average, and scouting reports note that he wasn't a proficient shooter in high school either, suggesting limited historical evidence of shooting upside. NBA scouts have expressed concerns about his lack of shooting range, particularly for a player undersized for a traditional post role at 6'6.5" barefoot, which impacts his positional fit as a modern NBA forward who needs to stretch the floor.

I rest my case.

So which is it... Is he the worst shooting prospect in the history of the NBA or are you trying to push back that he isn't a historically good shooter which FYI no one is making that case. Either way you are being disingenuous.

Posted this earlier

[nomorezorro]

looks like vecenie changed his pick for us from beringer to bryant this morning

it's pretty clear based both on his writeups and on the latest Game Theory mock draft that he's heard a million different things about us and has no real clue what we're doing

[DuckIII]

If AKME picks CMB and he busts, it may be the straw that breaks the camel's back. I just don't know if I can engage next year watching CMB clank 4 footers and airball freethrows:

It's so obvious when people have half assed scouting a player.

On the contrary sir I’ve done a deep dive into all of these potential first round picks as well as fringe second round.

I don’t like his size and I don’t think his game translates to NBA level. If he can have a dawg mentality he will have a career, but there are far less risky picks and far better players who fit a BD system.

I’d counter it’s obvious when someone sets their heart on a player and is unwilling to objectively look at criticisms.

If you did a "deep dive" into CMB then you decided to misrepresent what you saw by saying he clangs it from 4 feet and airballs his FTs (which I believe he shoots at over 70%). Not sure why.

[Muzbar]

I think I need to try and start accepting the fact that CMB will be the pick, so I'm not REALLY disappointed tomorrow.

This is going to suck (for me).

[Red Larrivee]

Vecenie mocked Carter Bryant to Chicago.

Yesterday it was Beringer for the athletic[/quote]

At this point, it seems clear that nobody in the national media has a feel for what the Bulls are going to do. So, they're just going off big board and fit.

It's noteworthy though that KC and Cowley (who clearly have different sources in the Bulls), are aligned on who they're highest on right now.

[boozapalooza]

Vecenie mocked Carter Bryant to Chicago.

Yesterday it was Beringer for the athletic

Read on Twitter

KC says a new name tied to the Bulls is Joan Beringer. Calls him a “draft riser” who may not be there at 12. Interesting.

[Jcool0]

I think I need to try and start accepting the fact that CMB will be the pick, so I'm not REALLY disappointed tomorrow.

This is going to suck (for me).

You can be nervous because of his height and not a good 3PT shooter. But everything else is elite and he usually provides a big positive impact on the game. Bulls could do worse then getting a + player at 12.

[Red Larrivee]

So which is it... Is he the worst shooting prospect in the history of the NBA or are you trying to push back that he isn't a historically good shooter which FYI no one is making that case. Either way you are being disingenuous.

Posted this earlier

The first offensive liability to make his team 8.2 points better on offense.

Wonder what AI thinks?

[Chi town]

So AK board is

Maluach
CMB
Noa
Beringer

Sure feels like one of them will be there. KJ could also be there as well.

[Muzbar]

I think I need to try and start accepting the fact that CMB will be the pick, so I'm not REALLY disappointed tomorrow.

This is going to suck (for me).

You can be nervous because of his height and not a good 3PT shooter. But everything else is elite and he usually provides a big positive impact on the game. Bulls could do worse then getting a + player at 12.

So he's an elite ball handler & passer? I get he's allegedly the best defensive prospect in the draft, but I'm not seeing the offensive upside.

I'm going to have to watch some more of him because I've had him firmly on my 'do not draft' list for a while and no matter how much I watch I can't seem to get behind him.

[sco]

So AK board is

Maluach
CMB
Noa
Beringer

Sure feels like one of them will be there. KJ could also be there as well.

At the end of the day, "Not Demin and Not Queen" I'm fine.