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Post#2361 » by spearsy23 » Yesterday 6:04 pm

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Devilanche wrote:Joe is in that 11-12m salary slot . Is there anyone better we can get for similar salary (probably up to 15m)

PJ Washington and Obi Toppin are the two guys that come to mind, fit a need, and are in that range. Toppin is locked in for 3 more years, Washington is an expiring.


I wouldn’t look to bring back salary. I want draft equity in return and to shed payroll. I would be inclined to use a couple picks this year if our targets are there. There is value in this draft and Presti will surely like someone. Dieng, Joe, and whatever should have some appeal to other teams as there is cap space out there and the free agent crop is weak.

My problem with draft picks for a contending team is that it's a total crapshoot rather or not a guy is going to be even a rotational player. You can mitigate this when you're tanking because you can afford to take risks, play guys who are bad now but can get better, and if you do miss then you just swing again the next season without really losing anything. Now we have too many good players (and just too many players in general) to throw out 3 draft picks knowing we'll likely only hit on 1. Drafting gets a lot harder from here on out, and we saw that during the last iteration of the Thunder.
Remember that we went through a draft stretch that was PJIII, Steven Adams, Alex Abrines, Andre Roberson, Josh Huestis, Mitch McGary, Cameron Payne, Terrance Ferguson, Darius Bazley, and Aleksej Pokusevski. That's with one of the best drafting GMs in league history.
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Post#2362 » by Devilanche » Yesterday 10:56 pm

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Devilanche wrote:Joe is in that 11-12m salary slot . Is there anyone better we can get for similar salary (probably up to 15m)


Are we looking at one year or long-term? I'm not sure who survives next off-season. I could see them consolidating for a decent sized salary on a one-year deal if they are going to end up getting rid of a chunk of salary walk next off-season anyway. If we assume that JDub gets an extension for 30% of the cap, which at this point I'm assuming he'll make an all-NBA team next year, and Chet only gets 25% it will really come down to 1st apron, 2nd apron or no apron.

I think if they plan on letting IH go, for cap reasons, after next season I think that gives them incentive to trade Kenrich and Dieng and use both picks trying to find another big man. If they plan on keeping SGA, JDub, Chet, IH, Dort, Cason and Caruso no matter the cap repercussions then making a consolidation trade for an expiring with something like Joe, Dieng, Wiggins and Kenrich for Porzingis could make sense. I'm using Porzingis as a generic fill in name that would have a role and is an expiring. I don't think he'd be an actual target. Given OKC will probably have three FRPs next season they will have an opportunity to fill in some roster spots cheap next off-season so the question becomes how much are they really willing/able to spend.

I can run a bunch of theories on the roster over the next few seasons, but let's just go with keeping the top 7 in tact. SGA, JDub, IH, Dort, Chet, Cason and Caruso are going to get paid and kept. So you can trade the other veterans to get one upgrade on an expiring deal. Then you have the top 7, Topic, two rookies from this year and three more rookies next year for 13 roster spots. I'd also include Jaylin as a keeper since he should be cheap to extend. If you hit on a few rookies then you have a potential dynasty and you just keep recycling rookies and hope that eventually they replace players as they age out, which will be Caruso first and then IH after one more contract and then you start looking at SGA's decline, in 6-7 years, and how you have drafted/developed to see how long you can stay on top of the West. A decade run on top of the West, two years down with eight to go, and how many championships you can win as the #1 seed in the West.


I’m looking at anywhere between 1- 3 season. I’m not sure what their next next extension will look like for Jdub / Chet so I’m going to load up during their next extension to go all in.
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Post#2363 » by Devilanche » Yesterday 11:02 pm

spearsy23 wrote:Trying to think of other guys that kinda fit the backup PF need, not really coming up with names I'd be excited about and/or are available.
Grant Williams?
Bobby Portis
Keegan Murray
Dorian Finney-Smith
Kyle Anderson
Jarred Vanderbilt

I thought about Jonathan Isaac (risky but defense would be crazy ) herb jones ( more defense shakier offense) Brandon Clarke ( this is purely for size) , Sam hauser ( I like this personally to replace Joe, similar skillset) , Guerschon Yabusele ( bully ball size but defense might get exposed)

Best amongst them is Hauser and Vanderbilt imo. Between cost and what they offer.

If Boston dump Hauser and we move off Dieng / Joe in the same trade that would be a good rebalance of size . Get an old school SF/PF with our draft pick.
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Post#2364 » by Dadouv47 » Yesterday 11:41 pm

Presti won't get a good price for pick #24 with the Nets badly trying to find buyers for multiple FRPs
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Post#2365 » by Dadouv47 » Today 12:41 am

Ok I watched a total of 0 minutes of NBA prospects for this draft because all I could thing about was the playoffs but who would be a good fit in OKC that is currently ranked 8-20 in most mocks? Just don't think it's worth drafting a PG with Topic/Ajay and a center even less, otherwise pretty open to watch all kind of profiles.
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Post#2366 » by kdthunderup » Today 12:54 am

I'd like us to go get a Wing/Forward with a bit of size who can shoot since I think we lack in both of those areas. I think Coward would be perfect here. Dude can knock it down and should keep putting on size and would be the perfect 4 next to Chet when he is at the 5. Otherwise I think we will also look at drafting a center to replace IHart once his contract is up.
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Post#2367 » by bbms » Today 1:27 am

Dadouv47 wrote:Ok I watched a total of 0 minutes of NBA prospects for this draft because all I could thing about was the playoffs but who would be a good fit in OKC that is currently ranked 8-20 in most mocks? Just don't think it's worth drafting a PG with Topic/Ajay and a center even less, otherwise pretty open to watch all kind of profiles.


there'll be a run for frontcourt players in that 8-20 range. mostly 3d sf/pf hybrids (not much because of real talent but because that role is in high demand imo, which bumps the stock of mediocre talents) and traditional centers.

the ones i really like are the ones that are different from those generic profiles in high demands:

collin murray-boyles is my favorite. he is the kind of dog that would fit right in this defense. he would fit in as the jack of all trades, with size, skillset and defensive flexibility profile to perfect fit chet's natural role long term. he's a cason wallace type in draymond green's 6'8" 240 lbs body, phenomenal in analytics, switch 1-5 seamlessly, stocks extraordinary. offensively he's an offensive hub that can pass like hartenstein, but that can beat bigs off dribble and draw fouls (72% from the line though) and has a poor outside shooting. his ability to dribble and draw fouls turns him into a 30 point threat unlike anyone of the best defenders of the class not named cooper flagg.

cedric coward (thunder brought him for a visit) is the one that swings me the most off my cmb wishlist. his size/lenght/speed profile is exactly the same as jalen williams, and there's also the same knock in his stock that jdub had from coming off a low competition program, he's in his third college season and the fact he played only 6 games this season because of injury. he's probably the second best shooter of the class, from every range, from every angle, off the dribble... and has dominated his level of competition. just a pure traditional off ball dynamism wing that inexplicably are becoming rare. if his tape was from a gonzaga, baylor or duke program, he'd be in the conversation for top 3.

my other favorite is kon knueppel, but his stock is skyrocketing right now, he has a shot at being a top 5. he has a really high floor, he's a jumbo shooting guard that dribble, pass, shoot, high iq, glue guy that makes lineups work. he projects imo better to good teams than to bad teams, he's a lot like a more on ball talented, smaller version of kenrich williams. questions on his size, lenght, foot quickness and athleticism are real, but he has a really high floor. not many players like him have turned into stars in the past few years, but he just does every single one of those small things correct that sums up to winning basketball games that i would take a flier on him for a team like the thunder.

danny wolf (also brought in for a visit) is a high energy center with ball skills to be an offensive hub and throws some pretty highlight passes, with a good enough outside shot. he would be availale around 15 and could be a development project to replace hartenstein in the future, but just don't buy him, his highlight reels comes at the expense of too many turnovers, i don't think the thunder can afford to develop that kind of player.

i like the big combo guard class. jakucionis (top 10 pick), nolan traore, ben saraf i think they're all good, i just wouldn't draft any of them for the thunder.
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Post#2368 » by bbms » Today 1:42 am

i kind of like collin murray boyles has such a long way to being a decent shooter and cedric coward have those concerns because if they were, they would never be within thunder's trading up range.
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Post#2369 » by Devilanche » Today 5:09 am

Dadouv47 wrote:Ok I watched a total of 0 minutes of NBA prospects for this draft because all I could thing about was the playoffs but who would be a good fit in OKC that is currently ranked 8-20 in most mocks? Just don't think it's worth drafting a PG with Topic/Ajay and a center even less, otherwise pretty open to watch all kind of profiles.

Coward , asa newell , noa essengue ( should be too high where we are now) , Colin Murray boyles , Danny wolf .
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Post#2370 » by Dadouv47 » Today 10:49 am

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Dadouv47 wrote:Ok I watched a total of 0 minutes of NBA prospects for this draft because all I could thing about was the playoffs but who would be a good fit in OKC that is currently ranked 8-20 in most mocks? Just don't think it's worth drafting a PG with Topic/Ajay and a center even less, otherwise pretty open to watch all kind of profiles.

Coward , asa newell , noa essengue ( should be too high where we are now) , Colin Murray boyles , Danny wolf .


do we want a 18 years old from france though? We have bad history of developing foreign young players and even if I trust this coaching staff he's not going to have a ton of playing time. Need a guy that could help us in 2-3 years in the playoffs. I'm saying this and I don't know the kid so maybe he's NBA ready and a future star but in a vacuum it's not really the profile we should target.
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Post#2371 » by Kizz Fastfists » Today 11:30 am

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Devilanche wrote:noa essengue


do we want a 18 years old from france though? We have bad history of developing foreign young players and even if I trust this coaching staff he's not going to have a ton of playing time. Need a guy that could help us in 2-3 years in the playoffs. I'm saying this and I don't know the kid so maybe he's NBA ready and a future star but in a vacuum it's not really the profile we should target.


I really like the kid, but I'm not sure I'd draft him given where OKC is picking. I'm not sure he'd be my top choice at #15, although the board could fall in a way for that to happen, and I expect him to be gone by #24. His ball handling is NBA ready, but he needs to improve his 3pt shot and his defense needs some work. He's athletic enough that I believe his defense will be just fine. I view his floor as Josh Giddey. Tell me you wouldn't happily take Giddey at #15.

I think I'm settling on my ideal draft being trading Dillon Jones and Dieng to open two roster spots. Drafting Rasheer Fleming at #15 and then at #24 taking someone from my long list of potential options that includes Essengue, Jase Richardson, Joan Beringer, Wolf and Maxime Raynaud. If Presti comes away from the draft with Fleming and Raynaud I will be in big man heaven and he could do nothing else this off-season and I would call it a successful off-season and look forward to OKC destroying the league next season.
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Post#2372 » by Dadouv47 » Today 11:34 am

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Devilanche wrote:noa essengue


do we want a 18 years old from france though? We have bad history of developing foreign young players and even if I trust this coaching staff he's not going to have a ton of playing time. Need a guy that could help us in 2-3 years in the playoffs. I'm saying this and I don't know the kid so maybe he's NBA ready and a future star but in a vacuum it's not really the profile we should target.


I really like the kid, but I'm not sure I'd draft him given where OKC is picking. I'm not sure he'd be my top choice at #15, although the board could fall in a way for that to happen, and I expect him to be gone by #24. His ball handling is NBA ready, but he needs to improve his 3pt shot and his defense needs some work. He's athletic enough that I believe his defense will be just fine. I view his floor as Josh Giddey. Tell me you wouldn't happily take Giddey at #15.

I think I'm settling on my ideal draft being trading Dillon Jones and Dieng to open two roster spots. Drafting Rasheer Fleming at #15 and then at #24 taking someone from my long list of potential options that includes Essengue, Jase Richardson, Joan Beringer, Wolf and Maxime Raynaud. If Presti comes away from the draft with Fleming and Raynaud I will be in big man heaven and he could do nothing else this off-season and I would call it a successful off-season and look forward to OKC destroying the league next season.


how to a develop a Josh Giddey kind of prospect though in a championship team? That's a tough one :lol:

I will be very surprised if we draft two players and even less in the first round but it's gonna come down to how much Presti likes the guys available. Most likely scenario is that we get one guy in the first round and maybeeee one in the second round.

Dieng is gone IMO, no clue about Dillon Jones.
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Post#2373 » by Kizz Fastfists » Today 11:42 am

Dadouv47 wrote:how to a develop a Josh Giddey kind of prospect though in a championship team? That's a tough one :lol:


He's a point forward type so just cut down IH and Chet during the regular season to 24 MPG and save them for the playoffs. Keep Caruso around 15 MPG during the regular season. Give Topic-Cason-Essengue a healthy amount of run together so they can all work on ball handling skills and off ball movement together without SGA or JDub out there to bail them out and force them to grow and develop in a hurry. Then by the time the playoffs roll around you have competent ball handling coming off the bench and you don't drop a stupid game 1 to push what should have been a pair of 5 game series into 7 game series.
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Post#2374 » by spearsy23 » Today 11:50 am

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Dadouv47 wrote:
Devilanche wrote:noa essengue


do we want a 18 years old from france though? We have bad history of developing foreign young players and even if I trust this coaching staff he's not going to have a ton of playing time. Need a guy that could help us in 2-3 years in the playoffs. I'm saying this and I don't know the kid so maybe he's NBA ready and a future star but in a vacuum it's not really the profile we should target.


I really like the kid, but I'm not sure I'd draft him given where OKC is picking. I'm not sure he'd be my top choice at #15, although the board could fall in a way for that to happen, and I expect him to be gone by #24. His ball handling is NBA ready, but he needs to improve his 3pt shot and his defense needs some work. He's athletic enough that I believe his defense will be just fine. I view his floor as Josh Giddey. Tell me you wouldn't happily take Giddey at #15.

I think I'm settling on my ideal draft being trading Dillon Jones and Dieng to open two roster spots. Drafting Rasheer Fleming at #15 and then at #24 taking someone from my long list of potential options that includes Essengue, Jase Richardson, Joan Beringer, Wolf and Maxime Raynaud. If Presti comes away from the draft with Fleming and Raynaud I will be in big man heaven and he could do nothing else this off-season and I would call it a successful off-season and look forward to OKC destroying the league next season.


I agree with moving Jones and Dieng. I don't think it happens though, I think Presti sticks to Jones for at least one more season.

After a cursory glance I think the absolute ideal from my limited knowledge would be Murray-Boyles still being available at 15 and then Jase Richardson still being there at 24. Realistically I would love to get Richardson, but I'd probably try to move all 3 picks for a slight move up to make sure of getting Murray-Boyles.

Also, I still believe Branden Carlson is worthy of a roster spot. In order to accomplish that we would have to only draft 1 guy and still move off Jones/Dieng.
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Post#2375 » by spearsy23 » Today 11:52 am

Are any of the international guys a potential draft and stash for a year or are they all coming over immediately? Feels like we see fewer guys staying overseas for development these days.
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Post#2376 » by Kizz Fastfists » Today 12:08 pm

spearsy23 wrote:After a cursory glance I think the absolute ideal from my limited knowledge would be Murray-Boyles still being available at 15 and then Jase Richardson still being there at 24. Realistically I would love to get Richardson, but I'd probably try to move all 3 picks for a slight move up to make sure of getting Murray-Boyles.


I refuse to accuse Presti of being (Please Use More Appropriate Word) to the point of drafting Murray-Boyles. If it happens it will be the worst draft pick of his entire career.
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spearsy23 wrote:After a cursory glance I think the absolute ideal from my limited knowledge would be Murray-Boyles still being available at 15 and then Jase Richardson still being there at 24. Realistically I would love to get Richardson, but I'd probably try to move all 3 picks for a slight move up to make sure of getting Murray-Boyles.


I refuse to accuse Presti of being (Please Use More Appropriate Word) to the point of drafting Murray-Boyles. If it happens it will be the worst draft pick of his entire career.

This is a guy that drafted a Reebok intern.

FWIW, I'm not in love with Murray-Boyles, but I'm entirely convinced we're going to be drafting a player like him. He fits the profile of the team too well.
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Post#2378 » by spearsy23 » Today 12:11 pm

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Kizz Fastfists wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:After a cursory glance I think the absolute ideal from my limited knowledge would be Murray-Boyles still being available at 15 and then Jase Richardson still being there at 24. Realistically I would love to get Richardson, but I'd probably try to move all 3 picks for a slight move up to make sure of getting Murray-Boyles.


I refuse to accuse Presti of being (Please Use More Appropriate Word) to the point of drafting Murray-Boyles. If it happens it will be the worst draft pick of his entire career.

This is a guy that drafted a Reebok intern.

FWIW, I'm not in love with Murray-Boyles, but I'm entirely convinced we're going to be drafting a player like him. He fits the profile of the team too well.


And the Reebok intern may still have been a better pick than Josh Huestis :lol:
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Post#2379 » by Kizz Fastfists » Today 12:33 pm

spearsy23 wrote:This is a guy that drafted a Reebok intern.

FWIW, I'm not in love with Murray-Boyles, but I'm entirely convinced we're going to be drafting a player like him. He fits the profile of the team too well.


What profile is that? Murray-Boyles is a turnover machine that can't shoot. If this was 2015 I'd agree that he fit the bill as a Presti pick. I am showing some faith in Presti that he has evolved to drafting players based on basketball ability and not height, weight, wingspan charts while ignoring basketball skill. I'll take a Reebok intern, Mitch McGary, Josh Huestis and Cam Payne over Murray-Boyles.
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Post#2380 » by Devilanche » Today 1:07 pm

Dadouv47 wrote:
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Dadouv47 wrote:Ok I watched a total of 0 minutes of NBA prospects for this draft because all I could thing about was the playoffs but who would be a good fit in OKC that is currently ranked 8-20 in most mocks? Just don't think it's worth drafting a PG with Topic/Ajay and a center even less, otherwise pretty open to watch all kind of profiles.

Coward , asa newell , noa essengue ( should be too high where we are now) , Colin Murray boyles , Danny wolf .


do we want a 18 years old from france though? We have bad history of developing foreign young players and even if I trust this coaching staff he's not going to have a ton of playing time. Need a guy that could help us in 2-3 years in the playoffs. I'm saying this and I don't know the kid so maybe he's NBA ready and a future star but in a vacuum it's not really the profile we should target.

I think we shouldn’t look at it from a simplistic manner of him being young coming from overseas . That same logic would have covered Dieng and topic but doesn’t mean all will develop the same.
We don’t have developmental montes though so that’s fair .
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