2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft - Volume III

[sodmoraes]

In that video Bailey looks the same height than Queen.

[phifans]

Cannot do that, I recall early on that the 2026 pick cannot be traded back to us because of other trades made around it.

Are you thinking of the Wizzards 2026 pick, that i wanted to try a dodgy workaround to get back that can't be done?

"OKC can trade the 2026 Philadelphia 76ers’ first-round pick back to the Sixers without violating the Stepien Rule, as they have first-round picks in 2025 (Miami, Clippers) and are projected to have at least one in 2026 (own or Houston/Clippers, possibly Utah) and 2027 (own or Denver swap, possibly Utah or Philadelphia). No specific trade restrictions or CBA violations prevent this trade, based on available information."

I think the problem is that we owe BKN a pick 2 years after we convey a pick to OKC. Not sure how that works if we trade for our pick in 2026 back. I assume we'd still owe our 2028 (1-8 protected) to BKN in that case, assuming it's allowed to get our 2026 1st back.

More likely it would move that pick back to 2027 like top 8 protected in both 27 & 28 or turns to be second round pick.

[MVP1992]

Cannot do that, I recall early on that the 2026 pick cannot be traded back to us because of other trades made around it.

Are you thinking of the Wizzards 2026 pick, that i wanted to try a dodgy workaround to get back that can't be done?

"OKC can trade the 2026 Philadelphia 76ers’ first-round pick back to the Sixers without violating the Stepien Rule, as they have first-round picks in 2025 (Miami, Clippers) and are projected to have at least one in 2026 (own or Houston/Clippers, possibly Utah) and 2027 (own or Denver swap, possibly Utah or Philadelphia). No specific trade restrictions or CBA violations prevent this trade, based on available information."

I think the problem is that we owe BKN a pick 2 years after we convey a pick to OKC. Not sure how that works if we trade for our pick in 2026 back. I assume we'd still owe our 2028 (1-8 protected) to BKN in that case, assuming it's allowed to get our 2026 1st back.

The Nets trade was actually the 2027 pick, that has to be 2 years post the OKC trade conveying. So, if we get our 2026 pick back, Nets can have the 2027 pick.

If we get lucky and keep out 2026 pick by being trash (landing bottom 4 after lottery), OKC get our 2027, then Nets can have our 2028 because we have the LAC pick in 2028...

[Iverson Armband]

Are you thinking of the Wizzards 2026 pick, that i wanted to try a dodgy workaround to get back that can't be done?

"OKC can trade the 2026 Philadelphia 76ers’ first-round pick back to the Sixers without violating the Stepien Rule, as they have first-round picks in 2025 (Miami, Clippers) and are projected to have at least one in 2026 (own or Houston/Clippers, possibly Utah) and 2027 (own or Denver swap, possibly Utah or Philadelphia). No specific trade restrictions or CBA violations prevent this trade, based on available information."

I think the problem is that we owe BKN a pick 2 years after we convey a pick to OKC. Not sure how that works if we trade for our pick in 2026 back. I assume we'd still owe our 2028 (1-8 protected) to BKN in that case, assuming it's allowed to get our 2026 1st back.

The Nets trade was actually the 2027 pick, that has to be 2 years post the OKC trade conveying. So, if we get our 2026 pick back, Nets can have the 2027 pick.

If we get lucky and keep out 2026 pick by being trash, OKC get our 2027, then Nets can have our 2028 because we have the LAC pick in 2028...

I think in that case, the pick turns into two 2’s.

[Arsenal]

Are you thinking of the Wizzards 2026 pick, that i wanted to try a dodgy workaround to get back that can't be done?

"OKC can trade the 2026 Philadelphia 76ers’ first-round pick back to the Sixers without violating the Stepien Rule, as they have first-round picks in 2025 (Miami, Clippers) and are projected to have at least one in 2026 (own or Houston/Clippers, possibly Utah) and 2027 (own or Denver swap, possibly Utah or Philadelphia). No specific trade restrictions or CBA violations prevent this trade, based on available information."

I think the problem is that we owe BKN a pick 2 years after we convey a pick to OKC. Not sure how that works if we trade for our pick in 2026 back. I assume we'd still owe our 2028 (1-8 protected) to BKN in that case, assuming it's allowed to get our 2026 1st back.

More likely it would move that pick back to 2027 like top 8 protected in both 27 & 28 or turns to be second round pick.

If so that severely reduces the value of getting our 2026 pick back, since right now we can just tank one season to keep the 2028 pick.

However we may get the pick back from BKN tomorrow!

[Black Mage]

With the Nets getting another 1st rnd pick; it does feel like it's inevitable that they trade up and unless Washington offers an unprotected 2026 pick, that they have a package that beats all others.

Nets:

8, 19, 22.

I posted a day or two ago that if we do drop back to 8, I'd even do it at 7, I want Coward. Take that swing, gamble he's a late bloomer that may have been a higher rated prospect if he had a healthy year.

19 - Fleming

Package 22 with 35 and move back into mid-teens. Target Clifford or one of CMB/JK if they slide.

Coward is your high upside swing
Fleming and Clifford/CMB/JK bring you cost controlled youth with athleticism, defense or play making.

[FlyingArrow]

I want #6, not #8.

Nets out: 8, 19, 22, 26
Nets in: 3

Sixers out: 3
Sixers in: 6, 18, 26

Wizards out: 6, 18
Wizards in: 8, 19, 22

[Negrodamus]

I just don’t think Morey is going to want multiple firsts in this draft. I think he’s going to ask for future first(s) from Brooklyn. I doubt he wants a bunch of young dudes filling out the rest of the roster.

[youngcrev]

Are you thinking of the Wizzards 2026 pick, that i wanted to try a dodgy workaround to get back that can't be done?

"OKC can trade the 2026 Philadelphia 76ers’ first-round pick back to the Sixers without violating the Stepien Rule, as they have first-round picks in 2025 (Miami, Clippers) and are projected to have at least one in 2026 (own or Houston/Clippers, possibly Utah) and 2027 (own or Denver swap, possibly Utah or Philadelphia). No specific trade restrictions or CBA violations prevent this trade, based on available information."

I think the problem is that we owe BKN a pick 2 years after we convey a pick to OKC. Not sure how that works if we trade for our pick in 2026 back. I assume we'd still owe our 2028 (1-8 protected) to BKN in that case, assuming it's allowed to get our 2026 1st back.

The Nets trade was actually the 2027 pick, that has to be 2 years post the OKC trade conveying. So, if we get our 2026 pick back, Nets can have the 2027 pick.

If we get lucky and keep out 2026 pick by being trash (landing bottom 4 after lottery), OKC get our 2027, then Nets can have our 2028 because we have the LAC pick in 2028...

Pretty sure it doesn't work like that. The trade language is based around when the Thunder pick conveys. The earliest Nets one could convey is 2028. So it's a 2028 1st, top-8 protected, that becomes 2nds if it doesn't convey.

So basically... Not a big priority to get that one back.

[seventy6ers]

I'm sorry but I still go with Ace Bailey! Not being willing to workout for a team can be troubling, but it isn't like he can holdout like the NFL. He is very athletic, quick, can shoot, rebound, and block. I like Edgecomb too, but Bailey's potential is extremely high! Passing on him could be another one of those dumb mistakes the Sixers might have to add to their list.

[phifans]

I think the problem is that we owe BKN a pick 2 years after we convey a pick to OKC. Not sure how that works if we trade for our pick in 2026 back. I assume we'd still owe our 2028 (1-8 protected) to BKN in that case, assuming it's allowed to get our 2026 1st back.

More likely it would move that pick back to 2027 like top 8 protected in both 27 & 28 or turns to be second round pick.

If so that severely reduces the value of getting our 2026 pick back, since right now we can just tank one season to keep the 2028 pick.

However we may get the pick back from BKN tomorrow!

#3 for #8 + #19 + our own 27 pick back and then #8 for #15 + #24 + our own 26 pick back.

[MVP1992]

I think the problem is that we owe BKN a pick 2 years after we convey a pick to OKC. Not sure how that works if we trade for our pick in 2026 back. I assume we'd still owe our 2028 (1-8 protected) to BKN in that case, assuming it's allowed to get our 2026 1st back.

The Nets trade was actually the 2027 pick, that has to be 2 years post the OKC trade conveying. So, if we get our 2026 pick back, Nets can have the 2027 pick.

If we get lucky and keep out 2026 pick by being trash (landing bottom 4 after lottery), OKC get our 2027, then Nets can have our 2028 because we have the LAC pick in 2028...

Pretty sure it doesn't work like that. The trade language is based around when the Thunder pick conveys. The earliest Nets one could convey is 2028. So it's a 2028 1st, top-8 protected, that becomes 2nds if it doesn't convey.

So basically... Not a big priority to get that one back.

The trade language as far as I can tell, is to mitigate the sixers breaching the stepien rule.

But, we can lose both our own 2027 and 2028 picks by retaining our 2026 pick and having the 2028 LAC pick.

If we buy back our 2026 pick from OKC, Nets get our 2027 top 8 protected, if we keep that, they get the 2028 top 8 protected, if we keep that they get our 2028 2nd.

[Blackbird79]

#3 for #8 + #19 + our own 27 pick back and then #8 for #15 + #24 + our own 26 pick back.

So the Sixers would drop all the way from 3 to 15 in a not very deep draft? Why would they want to do that?

[Black Mage]

I want #6, not #8.

Nets out: 8, 19, 22, 26
Nets in: 3

Sixers out: 3
Sixers in: 6, 18, 26

Wizards out: 6, 18
Wizards in: 8, 19, 22

Who are you taking at 6, 18, 26?

Don't see Wizards doing that btw, think they want Fears.

[Black Mage]

I just don’t think Morey is going to want multiple firsts in this draft. I think he’s going to ask for future first(s) from Brooklyn. I doubt he wants a bunch of young dudes filling out the rest of the roster.

Actually, that's exactly what he said he learned from last year's debacle is that they need to get a lot younger and a lot more athletic. Don't think this past finals did anything to suggest that old and slow vets are the solution.

I could see not wanting multiple firsts for financial reasons, but if you attached Drummond/Gordon to the deal that almost offsets the cost of 2 additional lottery level picks.

[youngcrev]

The Nets trade was actually the 2027 pick, that has to be 2 years post the OKC trade conveying. So, if we get our 2026 pick back, Nets can have the 2027 pick.

If we get lucky and keep out 2026 pick by being trash (landing bottom 4 after lottery), OKC get our 2027, then Nets can have our 2028 because we have the LAC pick in 2028...

Pretty sure it doesn't work like that. The trade language is based around when the Thunder pick conveys. The earliest Nets one could convey is 2028. So it's a 2028 1st, top-8 protected, that becomes 2nds if it doesn't convey.

So basically... Not a big priority to get that one back.

The trade language as far as I can tell, is to mitigate the sixers breaching the stepien rule.

But, we can lose both our own 2027 and 2028 picks by retaining our 2026 pick and having the 2028 LAC pick.

If we buy back our 2026 pick from OKC, Nets get our 2027 top 8 protected, if we keep that, they get the 2028 top 8 protected, if we keep that they get our 2028 2nd.

The original trade language has to do with Stepien, yes. But acquiring another pick after that doesn't change the trade language though. The pick conveying is based around when the pick to the Thunder conveys. At least that's my interpretation.

At least two years after Philadelphia conveys a 1st round pick to Oklahoma City if this pick is conveyed to Oklahoma City in 2025 or 2026, Philadelphia's 1st round pick to Brooklyn protected for selections 1-8 in 2027 and 1-8 in 2028; if Philadelphia has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Brooklyn by 2028, then Philadelphia will instead convey its 2028 2nd round pick to Brooklyn;

[OleSchool]

Cannot do that, I recall early on that the 2026 pick cannot be traded back to us because of other trades made around it.

Are you thinking of the Wizzards 2026 pick, that i wanted to try a dodgy workaround to get back that can't be done?

"OKC can trade the 2026 Philadelphia 76ers’ first-round pick back to the Sixers without violating the Stepien Rule, as they have first-round picks in 2025 (Miami, Clippers) and are projected to have at least one in 2026 (own or Houston/Clippers, possibly Utah) and 2027 (own or Denver swap, possibly Utah or Philadelphia). No specific trade restrictions or CBA violations prevent this trade, based on available information."

I think the problem is that we owe BKN a pick 2 years after we convey a pick to OKC. Not sure how that works if we trade for our pick in 2026 back. I assume we'd still owe our 2028 (1-8 protected) to BKN in that case, assuming it's allowed to get our 2026 1st back.

I just looked this up the other day.

We owe OKC our 2026 1st protected 1-4 IF it not converted next year we owe them our 2027 1st protected 1-4. Nothing about what happens if it's not not conveyed by 27

We owe Brooklyn our 2028 1st rounder protect 1-8. If it's not conveyed in 28 we owe them a 2nd and 2 million cash.

Here's the interesting part, if for some reason we get a 1-4 pick next year then OKC obligation gets pushed to 27. It will also kill our 1st going to Brooklyn and turn it into a 2nd and 2 million cash due in 28

[Iscull]

I just don’t think Morey is going to want multiple firsts in this draft. I think he’s going to ask for future first(s) from Brooklyn. I doubt he wants a bunch of young dudes filling out the rest of the roster.

Actually, that's exactly what he said he learned from last year's debacle is that they need to get a lot younger and a lot more athletic. Don't think this past finals did anything to suggest that old and slow vets are the solution.

I could see not wanting multiple firsts for financial reasons, but if you attached Drummond/Gordon to the deal that almost offsets the cost of 2 additional lottery level picks.

I’d rather have rookies than Drummond, Gordon, Jackson, or Lowry at this point.

[sodmoraes]

I could trade down to 5 since we still would get one of Tre, Ace or VJ. After that i dont think its worthy, since it lowers a lot the chance of getting a diference maker.

[Negrodamus]

I just don’t think Morey is going to want multiple firsts in this draft. I think he’s going to ask for future first(s) from Brooklyn. I doubt he wants a bunch of young dudes filling out the rest of the roster.

Actually, that's exactly what he said he learned from last year's debacle is that they need to get a lot younger and a lot more athletic. Don't think this past finals did anything to suggest that old and slow vets are the solution.

I could see not wanting multiple firsts for financial reasons, but if you attached Drummond/Gordon to the deal that almost offsets the cost of 2 additional lottery level picks.

There’s a difference between getting younger and more athletic with guys like Grimes or a top 10 pick than having dudes just outside of the lottery or second round who will provide little to no help in the playoffs. Having more than two rookies just doesn’t feel like a Morey move to me.