2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft - Volume III

[Arsenal]

I’ll go down to 6 if Tre is there.

I’ll consider going down to 8 if the pick haul is huge, and take KJ or Noa or Coward there.

[MVP1992]

Are you thinking of the Wizzards 2026 pick, that i wanted to try a dodgy workaround to get back that can't be done?

"OKC can trade the 2026 Philadelphia 76ers’ first-round pick back to the Sixers without violating the Stepien Rule, as they have first-round picks in 2025 (Miami, Clippers) and are projected to have at least one in 2026 (own or Houston/Clippers, possibly Utah) and 2027 (own or Denver swap, possibly Utah or Philadelphia). No specific trade restrictions or CBA violations prevent this trade, based on available information."

I think the problem is that we owe BKN a pick 2 years after we convey a pick to OKC. Not sure how that works if we trade for our pick in 2026 back. I assume we'd still owe our 2028 (1-8 protected) to BKN in that case, assuming it's allowed to get our 2026 1st back.

I just looked this up the other day.

We owe OKC our 2026 1st protected 1-4 IF it not converted next year we owe them our 2027 1st protected 1-4. Nothing about what happens if it's not not conveyed by 27

We owe Brooklyn our 2028 1st rounder protect 1-8. If it's not conveyed in 28 we owe them a 2nd and 2 million cash.

Here's the interesting part, if for some reason we get a 1-4 pick next year then OKC obligation gets pushed to 27. It will also kill our 1st going to Brooklyn and turn it into a 2nd and 2 million cash due in 28

If Arsenal is correct, and having the LAC pick has no bearing on how this plays out, pretty sure that if OKC misses the Sixers' 2026 pick (due to top-four protection) and gets the 2027 pick, the Nets' pick obligation shifts to 2029, top-eight protected. If it doesn't convey in 2029, it becomes a 2029 second-round pick.


But, back to the original question; there is nothing stopping OKC trading back our 2026 1st to us.

[phifans]

#3 for #8 + #19 + our own 27 pick back and then #8 for #15 + #24 + our own 26 pick back.

So the Sixers would drop all the way from 3 to 15 in a not very deep draft? Why would they want to do that?

Because there aren't that many enticing prospects in lottery besides Flagg and Harper and they can retain all their futrue picks back ?

[Black Mage]

I just don’t think Morey is going to want multiple firsts in this draft. I think he’s going to ask for future first(s) from Brooklyn. I doubt he wants a bunch of young dudes filling out the rest of the roster.

Actually, that's exactly what he said he learned from last year's debacle is that they need to get a lot younger and a lot more athletic. Don't think this past finals did anything to suggest that old and slow vets are the solution.

I could see not wanting multiple firsts for financial reasons, but if you attached Drummond/Gordon to the deal that almost offsets the cost of 2 additional lottery level picks.

There’s a difference between getting younger and more athletic with guys like Grimes or a top 10 pick than having dudes just outside of the lottery or second round who will provide little to no help in the playoffs. Having more than two rookies just doesn’t feel like a Morey move to me.

Gotta look at the dudes you could get and what they bring to the table. In my scenario we end up with 3 guys with high levels of athleticism and length. Each with ready made skills that would allow them to fit into a role in year 1 while developing.

[Jailblazers7]

I could trade down to 5 since we still would get one of Tre, Ace or VJ. After that i dont think its worthy, since it lowers a lot the chance of getting a diference maker.

I’d personally put Kon in that group too so I’d be comfortable trading down to 6. Anything lower than that would cause the price to increase pretty significantly.

[76ciology]

I also think Morey can squint and see Harden in Tre. The difference is Harden was actually a nasty athlete at ASU and generated steals and fouls at an elite rate.

Tre already has a very good handle and I think it can be taken to another level. He is obviously a great shooter. But he's not a good athlete despite what his athletic testing suggests which prevents him from any rim pressure. And he doesn't generate any steals while being a total liability on defense.

I'd say the leg up that Tre has on Harden at a similar age is the midrange game. I don't have the numbers for Harden since thats too long ago, but the midrange hasn't ever really been a big part of his game. Tre likes to operate in backdown situations (kinda like Kobe) and has a variety of moves to get his shot off over smaller defenders.

Tre is not close to Harden. I already went through that exercise, and that’s exactly how I ended up ranking Kasparas at #3, he’s the one who most closely fits the Harden model but still far apart because of scoring volume and steals. Next to Kasparas would be Kon.

As a coping comparison, Tre reminds me a bit of Zach LaVine, he can shoot the three over defenders and has that scoring mindset. LaVine is also someone Morey seems to value when Harden isn’t on the table.

Honestly, I think Tre is a better comp for Maxey than for Harden, both had early career concerns with efficiency and defense, but gradually made major development in both areas.

I think Zach is too athletic as a comparison. His ceiling, for me, is still Jamal Murray:

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Which is a very good player; I think I was pretty high on him in that draft. The knock on Murray was not being able to beat his man and getting roasted on defense too. The question everyone must ask is if Jamal Murray would have the level of success he's had without Jokic, an all time gravitational player with elite passing. We have the shell of that kind of gravitational player and his passing isn't in the realm of Jokic.

Yeah, I realized I might’ve been misunderstood with my Zach LaVine comparison post, glad there weren’t any violent reactions, lol.

If Tre can develop his playmaking and get back to the style he played with in high school, I can see the Jamal Murray or Devin Booker comps making sense. But if his playmaking doesn’t translate, the outlook is less promising, we’re probably looking at a Buddy Hield type (one of the best 3-point shooters in the past decade) or a Malik Monk type (with similar points, rebounds, and assists averages).

[76ciology]

This is just my gut feel from all the reports, but I’d say there’s a 65% chance we stay at #3 and take VJ, a 15% chance we trade down for Kon, and another 20% chance we move up for Harper.

I’d say there’s zero chance we draft Ace. Teams that are serious about competing usually steer clear of locker room drama, that’s exactly why we moved Fultz to Orlando back then.

Tre didn’t list us as one of the teams he worked out for, and his efficiency or ability to generate extra possessions doesn’t really stand out enough for Morey to go all in. If I were starting a team from scratch, I might take a chance on him, especially over Ace, but in our current context, I don’t see it.

[Jailblazers7]

At this point, I don’t want to draft Ace because of the soap opera aspect of the whole thing. Yet another Sixers where we will be subjected to endless drama from media and fans. Does he want to be here? Is he popular with his teammates? Is he focused on basketball or some other off the court thing?

He seems like a good kid and could turn into an excellent NBA player making me regret this feel. But the thought of enduring the endless discussions about his feels, priorities, and behavior sounds exhausting.

[Iverson Armband]

Tre is not close to Harden. I already went through that exercise, and that’s exactly how I ended up ranking Kasparas at #3, he’s the one who most closely fits the Harden model but still far apart because of scoring volume and steals. Next to Kasparas would be Kon.

As a coping comparison, Tre reminds me a bit of Zach LaVine, he can shoot the three over defenders and has that scoring mindset. LaVine is also someone Morey seems to value when Harden isn’t on the table.

Honestly, I think Tre is a better comp for Maxey than for Harden, both had early career concerns with efficiency and defense, but gradually made major development in both areas.

I think Zach is too athletic as a comparison. His ceiling, for me, is still Jamal Murray:

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Which is a very good player; I think I was pretty high on him in that draft. The knock on Murray was not being able to beat his man and getting roasted on defense too. The question everyone must ask is if Jamal Murray would have the level of success he's had without Jokic, an all time gravitational player with elite passing. We have the shell of that kind of gravitational player and his passing isn't in the realm of Jokic.

Yeah, I realized I might’ve been misunderstood with my Zach LaVine comparison post, glad there weren’t any violent reactions, lol.

If Tre can develop his playmaking and get back to the style he played with in high school, I can see the Jamal Murray or Devin Booker comps making sense. But if his playmaking doesn’t translate, the outlook is less promising, we’re probably looking at a Buddy Hield type (one of the best 3-point shooters in the past decade) or a Malik Monk type (with similar points, rebounds, and assists averages).

His playmaking at Texas is extremely underrated. He had absolutely nothing to work with and still flashed playmaking ability.

[LeonJordanJr24]

We taking Ace y'all or trading up Harper or Down for Tre. Get off VJ Butlers ***"

[Black Mage]

This is just my gut feel from all the reports, but I’d say there’s a 65% chance we stay at #3 and take VJ, a 15% chance we trade down for Kon, and another 20% chance we move up for Harper.

I’d say there’s zero chance we draft Ace. Teams that are serious about competing usually steer clear of locker room drama, that’s exactly why we moved Fultz to Orlando back then.

Tre didn’t list us as one of the teams he worked out for, and his efficiency or ability to generate extra possessions doesn’t really stand out enough for Morey to go all in. If I were starting a team from scratch, I might take a chance on him, especially over Tre, but in our current context, I don’t see it.

35% chance we move up.
40% we move down.
25% chance we stand pat.

[Iverson Armband]

We taking Ace y'all or trading up Harper or Down for Tre. Get off VJ Butlers ***"

Yeah Leo, what’s wrong with these fools

[ProcessDoctor]

Going to bed right now, feeling like we leave the draft with Harper tomorrow. Could be wishful thinking, but that's just my gut.

[Arsenal]

We taking Ace y'all or trading up Harper or Down for Tre. Get off VJ Butlers ***"

You mean VJ Melton.

[Da Doctor]

We taking Ace y'all or trading up Harper or Down for Tre. Get off VJ Butlers ***"

You mean VJ Melton.

VJ Spinger*

[FlyingArrow]

I want #6, not #8.

Nets out: 8, 19, 22, 26
Nets in: 3

Sixers out: 3
Sixers in: 6, 18, 26

Wizards out: 6, 18
Wizards in: 8, 19, 22

Who are you taking at 6, 18, 26?

Don't see Wizards doing that btw, think they want Fears.

I'm about equally happy with Tre or VJ at 6 (and I hope we take one of them at 3 if we don't trade down). At 6, Ace would also be fine if he drops. I'm less enamored with Kon, and he could be what's left at 6, so because of that I'm not 100% sold on that trade. I still like a trade for #6 better than trading down to 8, though.

At 18 and 26 - I'm not very well read on the prospects, but a couple names that looked interesting were Coward and Koby Brea. Coward is moving up the mock drafts and might not last that long, but Brea has been an early 2nd round prediction at best, so he would be available at 26. Plug-n-play shooter, but not much else.

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[76ciology]

Jeremiah Fears posted a 56 TS%, 32% 3P rate, 51.8 FTr, 37% halfcourt rim frequency, and 85% from the line, lowkey a better alpha scoring profile than Tre. 28.6 ast% with 31% usg. And with a 3.1 STL% on top of all that, he’s a pretty strong bet if you want an alpha scorer. He’d be a great fit for Utah.

[76ciology]

Hypothetical question.. Would you draft Jalen Suggs over Cam Thomas with the 3rd overall pick?

Let’s lay out the context by comparing their freshman stats side by side:





Jalen Suggs 2024-2025: 17ppg 4rpg 3.7apg (21.6 ast%)

Cam Thomas 20234-2025: 23ppg 3rpg 3.8apg (22.9 ast%)

[eyeatoma]

Hypothetical question.. Would you draft Jalen Suggs over Cam Thomas with the 3rd overall pick?

Let’s lay out the context by comparing their freshman stats side by side:

I get the Suggs reference, but are you comparing Thomas to Bailey or Tre?

[76ciology]

Hypothetical question.. Would you draft Jalen Suggs over Cam Thomas with the 3rd overall pick?

Let’s lay out the context by comparing their freshman stats side by side:

I get the Suggs reference, but are you comparing Thomas to Bailey or Tre?

Strictly between Suggs or Thomas.

Suggs 2024-2025: 17ppg 4rpg 3.7apg 1.5spg
Thomas 2024-2024: 23ppg 3.3rpg 3.8apg .6spg