Shams: Boston Trades Jrue to Portland for Simons, 2nd Rd Picks

[ciueli]

Wonder what jRoy is thinking about this

Easy enough to go on the Blazers board and find out. Turns out he is not a huge fan of his team's front office.

[TheRaptor!]

Boston vs Raptors gonna be extra spicy, they share a baby momma

Ingram vs Simons...."tell her who better..."

[ciueli]

Seeing folks refer to Simons as a “young player”, “young stud”, etc. is hilarious.

Must mean RJ is a phenom or some sort of prodigy.

Our front office literally referred to Ingram as "young" and he's entering his year 28 season. Pretty ridiculous if you ask me.

This is how I see age brackets in the NBA:

Young: 18 to 24

Middle Aged: 25 to 30

Old: 31 to 37

Ancient: 38+

All you have to do is sort the table of players by age and it immediately becomes apparent how few players there are in the NBA over 32 playing real minutes on an NBA team. Here's a complete list of players over 32 who played at least 1000 minutes last season:

40 LeBron James
39 Chris Paul
38 Al Horford
37 Mike Conley
36 Brook Lopez
36 Kevin Durant
36 Steph Curry
36 Russell Westbrook
36 Nicolas Batum
35 James Harden
35 DeMar DeRozan
35 Jimmy Butler
34 Nikola Vucevic
34 Damian Lillard
34 Draymond Green
34 Klay Thompson
34 Jrue Holiday
34 Paul George
34 Mason Plumlee
34 Seth Curry
33 CJ McCollum
33 Kawhi Leonard

22 names is a short list. Very few players have productive careers after 32 and most of the ones that do are former stars who are still good players but have lost a bit of a step or are frequently missing games due to injuries. NBA basketball is a young man's game.

More great points made here; it's eye opening to see how few guys are getting that many minutes at that age. I wonder how many people play 1,000 minutes (given injuries and a lighter load across the board for the league). Maybe can we see how many players 32yo+ earn 20+ mpg? That would show us how many guys are worthy of playing and not account for injuries as much.

Surprisingly using 20+MPG as a cutoff instead doesn't change the list much. At a quick glance it looked like the only changes would be dropping Nic Batum, Seth Curry, and Mason Plumlee while adding Khris Middleton and Kelly Olynyk.

[YogurtProducer]

that 16/4/5 is an all nba defender and shoots 61% TS. He is a big bargain

61TS% when he’s surrounded with elite talent in Boston.

Funny how the narrative on him has shifted since being a Spur. He was originally traded for a first, a swap, and filler.

He is essentially the same player he was then, just now he is on a way better team.

White is just incredibly overrated. Hes a great fit in Boston, but he is not an untouchable piece.

Elite role players like him, OG, Draymond all play better when surrounded by better players.

White is rated exactly where he belongs... Celtics don't win those titles without him. As long as youre bringing him in to be your 4th best player or so, he'll always be a stud.

I agree with you - but he is definitely going to end that contract being overpaid. Set to make $30+M as a 32-34 year old is going to end poorly. Boston had to do it, but it won't age well.

SImply stating he is far from untouchable, and in all honesty they should ship him out now before they have to attach assets to get rid of him. I don't think the Celtics have any real shot this coming year, and I think the risk of him falling off by 2026/27 is to high.

[YogurtProducer]

that 16/4/5 is an all nba defender and shoots 61% TS. He is a big bargain

61TS% when he’s surrounded with elite talent in Boston.

Funny how the narrative on him has shifted since being a Spur. He was originally traded for a first, a swap, and filler.

He is essentially the same player he was then, just now he is on a way better team.

White is just incredibly overrated. Hes a great fit in Boston, but he is not an untouchable piece.

You’re wrong. He’s clearly made himself into an elite 3pt shooter. Both the stats and eye test show this. He fits on every team. He’s not a negative contract.

Sure, he is an elite 3+D guy, there is no debate here. He 100% fits on every team. His contract doesn't though.

He is 31 years old set to make $28, $30, $32, and $34 in his age 31-34 years - 100% that is a bad contract by its end - and in all honesty probably even earlier. Very few guys are productive into their mid 30s. Even fewer that are not legit stars in their prime which White was not.

On most teams he is not going to be able to play behind guys like Tatum, Brown, Krisaps, and Jrue and be the 5th best guy on the floor with zero gameplanning against him. With that contract on most teams he would be expected to be a top 3 guy, and he would have significantly more defensive pressure on him.

Derrick WHite led the entire NBA in open + wide open 3's attempted this year at 627. (Pritchard was 4 also top 5 - aka; SYSTEM)

Lets put it this way - 627/691 3's taken by White this year were open or wide open. Not happening on most NBA teams.

[Ari_Emanuel]

White is not nearly good enough to be untouchable.

In fact - without a superteam around him White at $30m/year is possibly gonna be looked at negatively by other FOs soon. LOT of money for a 16/4/5 guy.

that 16/4/5 is an all nba defender and shoots 61% TS. He is a big bargain

61TS% when he’s surrounded with elite talent in Boston.

Funny how the narrative on him has shifted since being a Spur. He was originally traded for a first, a swap, and filler.

He is essentially the same player he was then, just now he is on a way better team.

White is just incredibly overrated. Hes a great fit in Boston, but he is not an untouchable piece.

This White hate is crazy to me. I’ve been following him closely for 2-3 years. He has improved his game on both ends by leaps and bounds since entering his prime and being traded to Boston.

Sure there’s some element of him being on a great team, but that’s just as true for his teammates - they benefit massively by having him stretch the floor, run the offense occasionally and taking over when necessary, to say nothing of his defensive impact which is dominant on occasion.

He was already ascending while on the spurs but they misjudged his ceiling and he grew at a faster rate than expected after he left. TBH he’d make all NBA next year if they didn’t just trade for Anfernee Simons.

His game still might not age great but that’s just because most players don’t, it has nothing to do with him or what he’s capable of now.

[YogurtProducer]

that 16/4/5 is an all nba defender and shoots 61% TS. He is a big bargain

61TS% when he’s surrounded with elite talent in Boston.

Funny how the narrative on him has shifted since being a Spur. He was originally traded for a first, a swap, and filler.

He is essentially the same player he was then, just now he is on a way better team.

White is just incredibly overrated. Hes a great fit in Boston, but he is not an untouchable piece.

This White hate is crazy to me. I’ve been following him closely for 2-3 years. He has improved his game on both ends by leaps and bounds since entering his prime and being traded to Boston.

Sure there’s some element of him being on a great team, but that’s just as true for his teammates - they benefit massively by having him stretch the floor, run the offense occasionally and taking over when necessary, to say nothing of his defensive impact which is dominant on occasion.

He was already ascending while on the spurs but they misjudged his ceiling and he grew at a faster rate than expected after he left. TBH he’d make all NBA next year if they didn’t just trade for Anfernee Simons.

His game still might not age great but that’s just because most players don’t, it has nothing to do with him or what he’s capable of now.

Sure, he’s a great 4th/5th guy.

He isn’t a top option. 16ppg in the new NBA is legit nothing to be excited about. Especially when it’s almost all catch and shoot 3’s.

Defensive stud. Great complimentary piece. No where near an all star

[Pointgod]

Just shows you how quickly things can change. Two years ago Boston looked like a powerhouse. And they looked the part on their way to a championship.

Now key pieces are being traded and replaced with guys like Simons.

Boston is still a powerhouse if Tatum didn’t blow his Achilles. Literally the only thing that changed for them was Tatum’s injury. If Tatum was healthy and they still made this trade they’re still a top 2 team in the East.

Now they are unloading key pieces from their championship team and Tatum is out for the year.

That’s my point. Things can change quickly.

They won’t be a powerhouse when he’s back and Jrue, Horford and Porzingis aren’t on the team.

They were always going to unload Jrue because of the age and contract, but they managed to get a productive player back and save money. But I posted this before the Porzingis trade. You might be correct, looks like they’re dismantling the team

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[PushDaRock]

61TS% when he’s surrounded with elite talent in Boston.

Funny how the narrative on him has shifted since being a Spur. He was originally traded for a first, a swap, and filler.

He is essentially the same player he was then, just now he is on a way better team.

White is just incredibly overrated. Hes a great fit in Boston, but he is not an untouchable piece.

This White hate is crazy to me. I’ve been following him closely for 2-3 years. He has improved his game on both ends by leaps and bounds since entering his prime and being traded to Boston.

Sure there’s some element of him being on a great team, but that’s just as true for his teammates - they benefit massively by having him stretch the floor, run the offense occasionally and taking over when necessary, to say nothing of his defensive impact which is dominant on occasion.

He was already ascending while on the spurs but they misjudged his ceiling and he grew at a faster rate than expected after he left. TBH he’d make all NBA next year if they didn’t just trade for Anfernee Simons.

His game still might not age great but that’s just because most players don’t, it has nothing to do with him or what he’s capable of now.

Sure, he’s a great 4th/5th guy.

He isn’t a top option. 16ppg in the new NBA is legit nothing to be excited about. Especially when it’s almost all catch and shoot 3’s.

Defensive stud. Great complimentary piece. No where near an all star

His advanced numbers are off the charts good even when playing on some mediocre/bad Spurs teams. Every single year of his career, he's been in the positive in on court per 100 and on/off per 100. He impacts winning at an extremely high level, guys like this are not easy to find.

[YogurtProducer]

This White hate is crazy to me. I’ve been following him closely for 2-3 years. He has improved his game on both ends by leaps and bounds since entering his prime and being traded to Boston.

Sure there’s some element of him being on a great team, but that’s just as true for his teammates - they benefit massively by having him stretch the floor, run the offense occasionally and taking over when necessary, to say nothing of his defensive impact which is dominant on occasion.

He was already ascending while on the spurs but they misjudged his ceiling and he grew at a faster rate than expected after he left. TBH he’d make all NBA next year if they didn’t just trade for Anfernee Simons.

His game still might not age great but that’s just because most players don’t, it has nothing to do with him or what he’s capable of now.

Sure, he’s a great 4th/5th guy.

He isn’t a top option. 16ppg in the new NBA is legit nothing to be excited about. Especially when it’s almost all catch and shoot 3’s.

Defensive stud. Great complimentary piece. No where near an all star

His advanced numbers are off the charts good even when playing on some mediocre/bad Spurs teams. Every single year of his career, he's been in the positive in on court per 100 and on/off per 100. He impacts winning at an extremely high level, guys like this are not easy to find.

Sure. they’re also not untouchable.

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Who is putting the ball in the basket? That’s a dreadful team. lol.

RJ

[ArthurVandelay]

If Jrue gets flipped, I wonder....

Sacramento: Jrue, #39
Blazers: RJ, Carter
Raptors: Monk, #11

Sacramento about $1.2m short but they have cheap contracts.

[YogurtProducer]

If Jrue gets flipped, I wonder....

Sacramento: Jrue, #39
Blazers: RJ, Carter
Raptors: Monk, #11

Sacramento about $1.2m short but they have cheap contracts.

There is no chance we turn RJ into Monk and #11

[Pointgod]

I’d easily take Jrue if the 11th pick is attached.

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[mihaic]

Wonder what jRoy is thinking about this

Easy enough to go on the Blazers board and find out. Turns out he is not a huge fan of his team's front office.

He has probably politely declined the trade.