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Magic Offseason Finances Update 

Post#1 » by Knightro » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:35 am

As we are on the eve of the NBA Draft and approaching free agency, I figured this would be a good thread to update on the current financial situation for the Magic.

Orlando currently has $193,386,181 in salary committed to 13 players. This figure includes Moe Wagner, Caleb Houstan and the 25th pick in the 2025 NBA Draft.

That puts them $5,491,181 OVER the luxury tax, $1,325,729 UNDER the first apron and $13,204,729 UNDER the second apron. They are currently hard capped at the second apron due to the aggregation of contracts in the Desmond Bane trade. These apron figures include Bane's unlikely to be earned incentives for 25-26 which are $1,233,090 (unlikely to be earned incentives DO count against the tax aprons, but DO NOT count against the cap sheet or luxury tax itself).

The Magic will become hard capped at the first apron ($195,945,000) if they 1. get access to their full midlevel exception ($14,105,000) and use more than the taxpayer midlevel ($5,685,000) out of it, 2. use their bi-annual exception ($5,135,000) or 3. execute any sign-and-trade.

Orlando would normally become hard capped at the second apron ($207,824,000) by using their taxpayer MLE ($5.685M). However, this doesn't apply as the Magic are already hard capped at the second apron via the Bane trade.

If the Magic decline Moe Wagner's $11,000,000 team option, they will dip from $193,386,181 to $182,386,181 in committed salary. That will put them $5,510,819 BELOW the luxury tax and will give them access to the full $14,105,000 non-taxpayer midlevel exception.

However, as stated above, if the Magic do use the full $14.105M MLE, that will trigger a hard cap for them at the first apron ($195.945M). But they would only be $12,325,729 below the first apron. So they would actually be $1,779,271 short of being able to use the full $14.105M MLE due to the hard cap at the first apron.

So...

The only way the Magic can access *and* use the full $14.105 non-taxpayer MLE would be to decline Moe Wagner *and* shed another $1,779,271 million. They could do this a variety of ways - declining Houstan or (more likely) trading Jett Howard, Jonathan Isaac, Goga Bitadze or Wendell Carter for less money than they bring back.

Now...

If the Magic decline Moe Wagner's option *and* opt to use their MLE before they decide whether or not they are bringing Moe back (this is not how the order of operations would go down, but bear with me), they would have to also renounce Moe's bird rights at the same time which would mean he would only be able to return on a veteran minimum contract at that point unless they did even more cap maneuvering to access the full BAE which is slightly more than a veteran minimum for Moe.

The more likely scenario is they decline Moe's contract at $11,000,00 and then resign him to a new contract for less than he is set to make currently BEFORE they officially make whatever MLE signing they intend to make. If Moe were to sign for $5,500,000 in Year 1 (I have no idea if he would agree to this), that would move the Magic below the luxury tax and give them access to the full $14.1 MLE. They would still not be able to use all of it without moving off another contract, but it would maximize the amount of money that they could pay Moe instead of being limited to only being able to offer him the veteran minimum.

Does any of this make sense? :lol:
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Re: Magic Offseason Finances Update 

Post#2 » by RookieStar » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:49 am

Yes... decline and trade is the name of the game..
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Re: Magic Offseason Finances Update 

Post#3 » by Knightro » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:49 am

The more I think about this, the more it feels like the choice is coming down to Goga v. Moritz.

If they're comfortable letting Moe walk, then Goga stays.

If they're committed to Moritz being back, then Goga needs to be traded away for a guard/wing.

The other alternative would be picking someone they are confident can fill Isaac's minutes and then trading him instead.

I think drafting a guard at 25, drafting a big at 46, signing a veteran guard and then flipping Goga for a wing is probably the best way to balance the roster overall.
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Re: Magic Offseason Finances Update 

Post#4 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:53 am

Team has plenty of Guard/Wings which are a dime a dozen. Centers are a commodity which they should keep. I think they decline and resign Moe.
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Re: Magic Offseason Finances Update 

Post#5 » by Knightro » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:56 am

BadMofoPimp wrote:Team has plenty of Guard/Wings which are a dime a dozen. Centers are a commodity which they should keep. I think they decline and resign Moe.


Paying Carter, Goga and Moritz close to $30M combined when none of those three guys are basically ever going to share the floor together for even a minute isn't really viable anymore.
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Re: Magic Offseason Finances Update 

Post#6 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:00 am

Knightro wrote:The more I think about this, the more it feels like the choice is coming down to Goga v. Moritz.

If they're comfortable letting Moe walk, then Goga stays.

If they're committed to Moritz being back, then Goga needs to be traded away for a guard/wing.

The other alternative would be picking someone they are confident can fill Isaac's minutes and then trading him instead.

I think drafting a guard at 25, drafting a big at 46, signing a veteran guard and then flipping Goga for a wing is probably the best way to balance the roster overall.

Yup that’s the 2 main options I see and probably is dependent on who they take at 25. Tomorrows going to be a crazy day
A scoring guard.. never heard of one. :roll:
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Re: Magic Offseason Finances Update 

Post#7 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:02 am

Knightro wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:Team has plenty of Guard/Wings which are a dime a dozen. Centers are a commodity which they should keep. I think they decline and resign Moe.


Paying Carter, Goga and Moritz close to $30M combined when none of those three guys are basically ever going to share the floor together for even a minute isn't really viable anymore.


I like having that Center depth which is perfect for me. Move Isaac instead since he is bad as a center and is always injured and plays like 15mpg making $15 mil per. Problem solved and the Magic get to keep a solid offensive Bench performer for this weak arse bench.

I would attach future 2nds with Slim to unload him for some guard on a cheap contract like Sasser in Detroit or similar as they are looking for a backup PF. Heck, they got cap room and probably won't even have to attach 2nds.
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Re: Magic Offseason Finances Update 

Post#8 » by Knightro » Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:05 am

BadMofoPimp wrote:
Knightro wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:Team has plenty of Guard/Wings which are a dime a dozen. Centers are a commodity which they should keep. I think they decline and resign Moe.


Paying Carter, Goga and Moritz close to $30M combined when none of those three guys are basically ever going to share the floor together for even a minute isn't really viable anymore.


I like having that Center depth which is perfect for me. Move Isaac instead since he is bad as a center and is always injured and plays like 15mpg making $15 mil per. Problem solved and the Magic get to keep a solid offensive Bench performer for this weak arse bench.

I would attach 2 future 2nds with Slim to unload him for some 3rd rate guard on a cheap contract.


I'd rather have Isaac as the primary backup at PF than keeping all three centers who can't play together. I'm not saying the center depth isn't nice, but it's a luxury that they can't really afford for much longer, especially now that they're actively trying to win as much as possible starting right now.

I think it will be easier to find a third center in the draft than it will be to find an Isaac replacement.
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Re: Magic Offseason Finances Update 

Post#9 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:07 am

Knightro wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:
Knightro wrote:
Paying Carter, Goga and Moritz close to $30M combined when none of those three guys are basically ever going to share the floor together for even a minute isn't really viable anymore.


I like having that Center depth which is perfect for me. Move Isaac instead since he is bad as a center and is always injured and plays like 15mpg making $15 mil per. Problem solved and the Magic get to keep a solid offensive Bench performer for this weak arse bench.

I would attach 2 future 2nds with Slim to unload him for some 3rd rate guard on a cheap contract.


I'd rather have Isaac as the primary backup at PF than keeping all three centers who can't play together. I'm not saying the center depth isn't nice, but it's a luxury that they can't really afford for much longer, especially now that they're actively trying to win as much as possible starting right now.

I think it will be easier to find a third center in the draft than it will be to find an Isaac replacement.


Can find a PF in the draft. Unload 15mpg Isaac's $15 mil per for a $5 mil per Guard. Problem solved.
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Re: Magic Offseason Finances Update 

Post#10 » by Redick07 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:30 am

Knightro wrote:As we are on the eve of the NBA Draft and approaching free agency, I figured this would be a good thread to update on the current financial situation for the Magic.

Orlando currently has $193,386,181 in salary committed to 13 players. This figure includes Moe Wagner, Caleb Houstan and the 25th pick in the 2025 NBA Draft.

That puts them $5,491,181 OVER the luxury tax, $1,325,729 UNDER the first apron and $13,204,729 UNDER the second apron. They are currently hard capped at the second apron due to the aggregation of contracts in the Desmond Bane trade. These apron figures include Bane's unlikely to be earned incentives for 25-26 which are $1,233,090 (unlikely to be earned incentives DO count against the tax aprons, but DO NOT count against the cap sheet or luxury tax itself).

The Magic will become hard capped at the first apron ($195,945,000) if they 1. get access to their full midlevel exception ($14,105,000) and use more than the taxpayer midlevel ($5,685,000) out of it, 2. use their bi-annual exception ($5,135,000) or 3. execute any sign-and-trade.

Orlando would normally become hard capped at the second apron ($207,824,000) by using their taxpayer MLE ($5.685M). However, this doesn't apply as the Magic are already hard capped at the second apron via the Bane trade.

If the Magic decline Moe Wagner's $11,000,000 team option, they will dip from $193,386,181 to $182,386,181 in committed salary. That will put them $16,491,181 BELOW the luxury tax and will give them access to the full $14,105,000 non-taxpayer midlevel exception.

However, as stated above, if the Magic do use the full $14.105M MLE, that will trigger a hard cap for them at the first apron ($195.945M). But they would only be $12,325,729 below the first apron. So they would actually be $1,779,271 short of being able to use the full $14.105M MLE due to the hard cap at the first apron.

So...

The only way the Magic can access *and* use the full $14.105 non-taxpayer MLE would be to decline Moe Wagner *and* shed another $1,779,271 million. They could do this a variety of ways - declining Houstan or (more likely) trading Jett Howard, Jonathan Isaac, Goga Bitadze or Wendell Carter for less money than they bring back.

Now...

If the Magic decline Moe Wagner's option *and* opt to use their MLE before they decide whether or not they are bringing Moe back (this is not how the order of operations would go down, but bear with me), they would have to also renounce Moe's bird rights at the same time which would mean he would only be able to return on a veteran minimum contract at that point as teams are not permitted to use the MLE and BAE in the same offseason.

The more likely scenario is they decline Moe's contract at $11,000,00 and then resign him to a new contract for less than he is set to make currently BEFORE they officially make whatever MLE signing they intend to make. If Moe were to sign for $5,500,000 in Year 1 (I have no idea if he would agree to this), that would move the Magic below the luxury tax and give them access to the full $14.1 MLE. They would still not be able to use all of it without moving off another contract, but it would maximize the amount of money that they could pay Moe instead of being limited to only being able to offer him the veteran minimum.

Does any of this make sense? :lol:


Our cap room will be 177.8m if we decline Houstan.

The #25 pick will cost 3m. If we keep this pick, the cap room will be 180.8m
MoW’s new contract should be under 7m/y then we can use full MLE to sign someone.
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Re: Magic Offseason Finances Update 

Post#11 » by Orlando Dawg » Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:01 am

Why would Mo take 5-7 mil when he’s worth 3x that?
He’s better than WCJ who makes 25 mil
WCJ has to go!
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Post#12 » by Knightro » Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:21 am

Orlando Dawg wrote:Why would Mo take 5-7 mil when he’s worth 3x that?
He’s better than WCJ who makes 25 mil
WCJ has to go!


It’s a cold business, but he’s coming off a blown knee and might not have suitors to the level he deserves because of the injury. We just don’t know.

WCJ makes 10.8M next season, not 25M btw.

Isaac made $25M this past year, but that drops to $15M this upcoming year.

But we’ll find out soon enough what they think of his rehab and his importance to this whole operation going forward.
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Post#13 » by Redick07 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:25 am

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Orlando Dawg wrote:Why would Mo take 5-7 mil when he’s worth 3x that?
He’s better than WCJ who makes 25 mil
WCJ has to go!


It’s a cold business, but he’s coming off a blown knee and might not have suitors to the level he deserves because of the injury. We just don’t know.

WCJ makes 10.8M next season, not 25M btw.

Isaac made $25M this past year, but that drops to $15M this upcoming year.

But we’ll find out soon enough what they think of his rehab and his importance to this whole operation going forward.

I am just curious that if we trade Isaac at the draft night, how to calculate his salary in the trade? 27.6m(24-25 season) or 15m(25-26 season)?
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Re: Magic Offseason Finances Update 

Post#14 » by eyriq » Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:45 am

Great breakdown. The conclusion you’ve reached felt inevitable even before the Bane trade, going all the way back to last offseason. The writing has been on the wall for a while. The only real new variable is Moritz’s season-ending injury.
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Post#15 » by RookieStar » Wed Jun 25, 2025 8:37 am

Orlando Dawg wrote:Why would Mo take 5-7 mil when he’s worth 3x that?
He’s better than WCJ who makes 25 mil
WCJ has to go!


Can we all assume that he will be back 100% by January? A team giving him 15m for this year is gambling. Next year maybe not so..
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Post#16 » by Orlando Dawg » Wed Jun 25, 2025 8:59 am

What happens if the Magic use the Mo Wagner option to play 1 more year for 11 mil.
After that is over would they be blocked from resigning him due to the apron? Or could they give him a raise then.
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Re: Magic Offseason Finances Update 

Post#17 » by drsd » Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:05 am

Knightro wrote:Orlando currently has $193,386,181 in salary committed to 13 players. This figure includes Moe Wagner, Caleb Houstan and the 25th pick in the 2025 NBA Draft.


I have it at 193,385,297 (USD 884 difference) :D

Franz Wagner 38,661,700
Desmond Bane 36,725,670
Jalen Suggs 35,000,000
Paolo Banchero 15,334,769
Jonathan Isaac 15,000,000
Wendell Carter 10,850,000
Goga Bitadze 8,333,333
Anthony Black 7,970,028
Jett Howard 5,529,506
Tristan da Silva 3,809,520
Mr #25 2,983,320
Moritz Wagner 11,000,000
Caleb Houstan 2,187,451


Anyhow, I have the 1st apron at 195,946,000, meaning the Magic has 2.55M left for Mr. Player 14. That is in contrast to the 1,325,729 you suggest. This matters a lot, as 2.6 is enough for an under 6-year vet. The 1.4M you have ONLY provides enough money for an undrafted rookie or a 2nd round pick. That's it, without another move - if your moneys and not mine are correct.
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Post#18 » by drsd » Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:08 am

Orlando Dawg wrote:What happens if the Magic use the Mo Wagner option to play 1 more year for 11 mil.
After that is over would they be blocked from resigning him due to the apron? Or could they give him a raise then.


Orlando has full Bird-rights to M-Wagner. Even over the 1st apron, they can resign him - all the way to a Max-deal actually. No worries.
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Post#19 » by orlando_joe » Wed Jun 25, 2025 11:08 am

i would see if nets want jett for the 22 pick they just got then try to trade pick 25 for future pick saving 7 mill then try to stay under tax 1 more yr
keep from repeater tax 1 yr more so do not have to make move that loses a core player in 26/27 then in 27/28 will even out more with cap and tax going up each yr
cant sign full mle then need to pay to get off it in yr..boston repeater tax was killer they only took off 27 mill salary and saved them 197 mill in tax
magic not big enough market for that crazy money
need health and no min anyway
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Post#20 » by basketballRob » Wed Jun 25, 2025 11:24 am

orlando_joe wrote:i would see if nets want jett for the 22 pick they just got then try to trade pick 25 for future pick saving 7 mill then try to stay under tax 1 more yr
keep from repeater tax 1 yr more so do not have to make move that loses a core player in 26/27 then in 27/28 will even out more with cap and tax going up each yr
cant sign full mle then need to pay to get off it in yr..boston repeater tax was killer they only took off 27 mill salary and saved them 197 mill in tax
magic not big enough market for that crazy money
need health and no min anyway
They wouldn't want Jett for any pick. Jett should've been picked at the end of the first round. Now he's overpaid. We would need to give them like the #45 pick to take him.

We got a future 2nd for Elfrid Payton, but he showed way more than Jett. Jett's biggest value is that he will be an expiring after we don't pick up his option.

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