The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3

[BobbieL]

"According to one source, "I’ll be surprised if Portland doesn’t move him...because he does not want to go there"

That makes even less sense now....like 1. how would you not know he'd be pissed off, 2. how do you now move him after you gave up 2 2nds to get him.

Beal and O’Neal for Grant and Jrue

Who says No?

If Beal approves

Honestly, Ishbia and maybe me as well.

It adds another year at $73m to our books in 2027 as I'm fully expecting both guys to pick up their final year options. Beal expires end of next season and ONeal is only in the book for another year at $11.6m, very tradeable imo

Fair points


Just hard finding a trade partner

Bulls for Vuc PWill and Jevon Carter— but how many picks

Just always goes back to Dame but that’s no money saved

[MrMiyagi]

Everyone here is so angry.

Think they are better and smarter than our FO.

Hate Gambo and others who just try to give insight and share things they heard.

So many people here think they are so smart and entitled. Can we just get back to being Suns fan. If you can’t handle that there are other teams you can follow.

The disrespect is crazy.

Yeah, because no one saw us being in this position right now...

[KdoubleDees23]

Everyone here is so angry.

Think they are better and smarter than our FO.

Hate Gambo and others who just try to give insight and share things they heard.

So many people here think they are so smart and entitled. Can we just get back to being Suns fan. If you can’t handle that there are other teams you can follow.

The disrespect is crazy.

Yeah, because no one saw us being in this position right now...

Oh I am a Suns fan, I just always hated Gambo. Dude needs to stay with the Phoenix Mercury

[Ghost of Kleine]

Read on Twitter

10th pick for the 15th and 24th picks.

I'd move down 15 and a future first. I wouldn't put all my eggs into this one draft basket. Especially next year when we probably won't have a good pick.

I understand your thought process man! But we have a lot of holes to fill throughout our roster, and we're still really low on talent and developmental assets that we could showcase to replenish our asset cache that's currently pretty empty.

Not only those considerations, but given our cap situation, and little to no control over the Beal outcome, and due to taking back equivalent salary from the KD trade, we need all the cost controlled young talent ( on 4 yr rookie scale contracts that we can get yo balance out our bigger salaries in Booker, Beal and now Green too.

Without any guarantees of being able to even move off of Allen and O'neale for much cheaper options, this premise is only exacerbated in importance.

[KdoubleDees23]

Someone just said Rasheer Fleming is going to be the best player from this draft. Never seen him play. Anyone have scouting on him?

[KdoubleDees23]

I am sold, just watched some highlights.

Get
Wolf or Fleming first pick
Get
Raynaud or Kalkbrennder second pick.

[Dr Manute]

Everyone here is so angry.

Think they are better and smarter than our FO.

Hate Gambo and others who just try to give insight and share things they heard.

So many people here think they are so smart and entitled. Can we just get back to being Suns fan. If you can’t handle that there are other teams you can follow.

The disrespect is crazy.

It's because we are RealGMs here. We know what we are saying , we are our own insiders, and we are always 100% right, 50% of the time.

[dcoop]

That’s awesome!

Ok you got me. I am sold!!!

[dcoop]

I am sold, just watched some highlights.

Get
Wolf or Fleming first pick
Get
Raynaud or Kalkbrennder second pick.

We have Fleming. He just goes by the name Bol Bol

[Dr Manute]

Insider info: Sources say some teams are talking about some massive trades happening - stay tuned.

[KdoubleDees23]

I am sold, just watched some highlights.

Get
Wolf or Fleming first pick
Get
Raynaud or Kalkbrennder second pick.

We have Fleming. He just goes by the name Bol Bol

Fleming is 2 x's bol bol's weight.

[Dr Manute]

Insider info: Many teams tomorrow will make selections that their fans won't like.

[Dr Manute]

Insider info: Sources say the Suns will either select a player at #10 in the draft tomorrow, or they will make a trade that will affect their team - stay tuned.

[Dr Manute]

Insider info: There is a very slim chance Cooper Flagg slips to the 2nd round.

[lilfishi22]

Beal and O’Neal for Grant and Jrue

Who says No?

If Beal approves

Honestly, Ishbia and maybe me as well.

It adds another year at $73m to our books in 2027 as I'm fully expecting both guys to pick up their final year options. Beal expires end of next season and ONeal is only in the book for another year at $11.6m, very tradeable imo

Fair points


Just hard finding a trade partner

Bulls for Vuc PWill and Jevon Carter— but how many picks

Just always goes back to Dame but that’s no money saved

Yeah Dame is more of a feel good move which I'm all for.

I was really against PWill because I think he's not very good without any redeemable skills (imo). I mean, Grayson Allen at $17-$19m is being called overpaid but at least he's bringing one of the best 3PT shoots in the league. What is PWill bringing to the table at $18m a year....?

But look, if the whole point is just to move on from Beal....it beats waive and stretching so I'm a bit whatever. And I suppose from a positional logjam perspective, this does go a long way to solving some of that.

[Dr Manute]

I want Collin Murray-Boyles. The Suns could use more muscle and hustle.

[Sunsdeuce]

Probably regurgitating what you all already know

https://www.blazersedge.com/2025/6/24/24455217/nba-draft-oklahoma-city-thunder-portland-trail-blazers-jonathan-givony-rumors-trades
“The logical solution is to combine those picks into a single premium pick. According to ESPN’s Jonathan Givony, that appears to be exactly what the Thunder are working on. Givony said the following on ESPN’s SportCenter:

“I keep hearing rumblings that the Thunder are trying to move up. They have 15, 24, 44. They could package all three of those picks, look to move up four or five slots, maybe six to Toronto. It’s not clear on their roster that they have any real needs right now so they can afford to take a swing on a high-upside prospect who fits that defensive DNA that won them a championship.”

If this were the NFL draft, I’d be all for trading down. But in the NBA, the higher the pick the better chances of getting a quality player that makes an instant impact. Not a fan of trading down in the NBA.

Suns desperately need instant impact players, not projects. And projects are usually after the top 10 (with some exceptions obviously).

[lilfishi22]

Read on Twitter

10th pick for the 15th and 24th picks.

I'd move down 15 and a future first. I wouldn't put all my eggs into this one draft basket. Especially next year when we probably won't have a good pick.

I understand your thought process man! But we have a lot of holes to fill throughout our roster, and we're still really low on talent and developmental assets that we could showcase to replenish our asset cache that's currently pretty empty.

Not only those considerations, but given our cap situation, and little to no control over the Beal outcome, and due to taking back equivalent salary from the KD trade, we need all the cost controlled young talent ( on 4 yr rookie scale contracts that we can get yo balance out our bigger salaries in Booker, Beal and now Green too.

Without any guarantees of being able to even move off of Allen and O'neale for much cheaper options, this premise is only exacerbated in importance.

This isn’t a particularly deep draft, and I’d rather potentially have a pick in the late lottery or mid-1st next season as well than trade down for 2 shots outside of the lotto this draft and hope we hit on two players when even landing one solid contributor is a gamble. Personally, I’ve always believed in drafting the BPA over drafting for need and if we weren’t already short on draft capital, I’d be more open to using picks to address specific gaps. But given how few picks we have, it doesn’t make sense to use them for holes. I mean, it's great if the BPA also happened to fit a need but I wouldn't preference a lesser talent because they happened to meet a short term need.

Looking at the bigger picture, I’d rather have a pick next year and address immediate needs with minimum contracts. Developmental capacity is also a factor. We already have #29 and two second-rounders. You can’t realistically bring in four or five rookies and expect to develop them all properly. I’d much prefer we draft no more than two players this year and try to trade down to secure an additional pick for next season.

[lilfishi22]

Probably regurgitating what you all already know

https://www.blazersedge.com/2025/6/24/24455217/nba-draft-oklahoma-city-thunder-portland-trail-blazers-jonathan-givony-rumors-trades
“The logical solution is to combine those picks into a single premium pick. According to ESPN’s Jonathan Givony, that appears to be exactly what the Thunder are working on. Givony said the following on ESPN’s SportCenter:

“I keep hearing rumblings that the Thunder are trying to move up. They have 15, 24, 44. They could package all three of those picks, look to move up four or five slots, maybe six to Toronto. It’s not clear on their roster that they have any real needs right now so they can afford to take a swing on a high-upside prospect who fits that defensive DNA that won them a championship.”

If this were the NFL draft, I’d be all for trading down. But in the NBA, the higher the pick the better chances of getting a quality player that makes an instant impact. Not a fan of trading down in the NBA.

Suns desperately need instant impact players, not projects. And projects are usually after the top 10 (with some exceptions obviously).

We're ironically in a similar situation with #10, #29, #52, #59. I don't expect we take 4 guys in this draft. Certainly not trading down for an additional 5th pick either.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Someone just said Rasheer Fleming is going to be the best player from this draft. Never seen him play. Anyone have scouting on him?

I was checking that dude out yesterday and liked his profile. I'd be cool with Flemming at 10