Shams: the ****? Simons to Boston for Holiday… real

[Norm2953]

He has no reason to be really upset with Portland for the team took care of him two years ago and after he
signed his extension, it was the Celtics who traded him back to Portland.

The trade is not official until July 6 so perhaps could be amended, where Jrue gets re-routed elsewhere,
perhaps back to Milwaukee, which might make Giannis happy.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

I still don't know what to think.

I think we can all understand that for a guy in Holiday's position a trade from Boston to Portland is a bit of a downgrade, but he has 104 million reasons to come here and play and say all the right things. My guess then is that Holiday being "pissed" and "threatening to retire" is probably a bit of exaggeration, maybe by his agent, maybe to get him moved on to a contender, but also Jrue has talked about early retirement unexpectedly, well before Milwaukee traded him, so you don't quite know with that guy.

I worry it's just hopeful thinking, but man it would be nice if Joe has a buyer on the other end, a team that wants Holiday but couldn't give Boston what Boston wanted. If you know you can flip Holiday for value but need time to work out the details, then giving up a couple second rounders to close part 1 of the deal as soon as possible, before the draft, might just be the cost of doing business.

But again, that is wildly hopeful thinking, it is so much more likely that the front-office is a bit delusional about what this team is capable of accomplishing if everything comes together perfectly, like that stretch against mediocre/injured teams was something sustainable.

I mean obviously as a team you have to project - both externally and internally - confidence about your guys and your roster and your locker-room. I get that. But also their moves have reflected too much belief in players that have not worked out very well for us. You can say all the right things and still make cold-hearted business moves but they really seem to be a bit high on their own supply, their actions do reflect genuine belief in what they have.

And like, good for them. I bet it's a good thing to be a part of, that they are genuinely happy with what they have. Hyper competitive environments can be toxic in their own ways. And I hope I am super wrong and this team has the makings of a future contender. I haven't completely given up on Sharpe, though I no longer see Scoot as any kind of future star, he can still be a Mike Conley type player who is most effective late in his career. But I personally still see us as so far away from having a chance in the west against teams like OKC and the Spurs that any trajectory we are currently on is not enough to really make anything meaningful happen.

[DaVoiceMaster]

I'm okay with the trade overall. I'm not convinced Jrue ever plays for Portland. There is still a week or two before the trade can be finalized. I like the idea of Jrue me toring the backcourt, but like has been said... he's expensive.

[Sinobas]

WTF didn't we make this trade instead?

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Because our GM isn't very good, tbh.

Not trading Grant last year after his seemingly unsustainable field goal efficiency, was a rookie error. I fear Cronin is going to make a big mistake tomorrow.

Niang makes 8M. Simons makes 27M. The KP trade was to save a lot of money this season.

Not sure what you're saying. Both trades were cost cutting for the Celtics. KP makes 30.7 Jrue 32.4.

But the Hawks got a much younger player and gave up less in return.

The first order of business for the new owner needs to be to fire Joe's ass.

[DusterBuster]

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Amico seemed to be just repeating the heavy.com article.

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[Walton1one]

Good, I hope he is pissed and doesn’t want to spend his last years on a team bound for nowhere

It is one thing for players to be optimistic about making the playoffs, you want that

It is ok for the coach to have delusions of grandeur about recreating the Pistons and being a playoff team, even if completely unrealistic

But the GM should be the adult in the room and have a clear vision of what this team truly is and clearly POR is saddled with an idiot who cannot or refuses to see that

[zzaj]

Wait. Were people actually thinking Holiday would be HAPPY to uproot and come to Portland of all places, a non-playoff team with no all star level players? lol

OF COURSE that report is true, no matter how it gets spun or back peddled by his agent. It doesn't mean that he'll hold it against Portland and half-ass his way through the remaining years of his deal if he stays though. Just like Brogdon, he'll show up and do his thing.

I can see a world where he gets flipped after the draft, and certainly by the trade deadline to a team on the cusp of contention. Maybe Indiana, actually...via 3-way.

[Tim Lehrbach]

Jrue isn't getting flipped. If he had flip value, Boston wouldn't have just given him up for Anfernee Simons and two second rounders.

[Walton1one]

Jrue isn't getting flipped. If he had flip value, Boston wouldn't have just given him up for Anfernee Simons and two second rounders.

Not necessarily true, POR was able to give them a stopgap (Simons) while Tatum recovers AND he is an expiring contract

I am sure there were other teams willing to give more for Jrue, but BOS likely had to take longer term salary back

Both teams got what they wanted out if the deal

[Tim Lehrbach]

Jrue isn't getting flipped. If he had flip value, Boston wouldn't have just given him up for Anfernee Simons and two second rounders.

Not necessarily true, POR was able to give them a stopgap (Simons) while Tatum recovers AND he is an expiring contract

I am sure there were other teams willing to give more for Jrue, but BOS likely had to take longer term salary back

Both teams got what they wanted out if the deal

Reasonable. Portland is obviously willing to take on a bigger contract, so their options are wider than Boston's. I'd still be surprised if he is moved.

If he is kept, though, a follow-up deal to bring a big-time scorer to Portland could be next.

[Wizenheimer]

Wait. Were people actually thinking Holiday would be HAPPY to uproot and come to Portland of all places, a non-playoff team with no all star level players? lol

OF COURSE that report is true, no matter how it gets spun or back peddled by his agent. It doesn't mean that he'll hold it against Portland and half-ass his way through the remaining years of his deal if he stays though. Just like Brogdon, he'll show up and do his thing.

I can see a world where he gets flipped after the draft, and certainly by the trade deadline to a team on the cusp of contention. Maybe Indiana, actually...via 3-way.

yeah, it's pretty logical that he would have been pissed about the trade, even though there was lots of noise that he and Porzingis were going to be moved as Boston worked to get under the 2nd apron

so the notion he was initially pissed is pretty credible. And now there is some clean-up on aisle 5. But there's nothing in Jrue's past suggesting he's be anything but professional as a Blazer. He may not ever buy all the way into what Joe and Chauncey are selling. He's 35 years old entering his 17th NBA season and moving to his 5th team

This after playing for teams that won 52-51-58-64-61 games over the last 5 seasons. That's an average of 57 wins a year. His teams played in 70 playoff games and won 2 championships. Now, in the twilight of his career he gets moved to a team that has averaged 29 wins and 53 losses over the last 4 seasons and has not even made it to the play-in. And the Western C isn't getting weaker. So yeah, that's not a recipe for any enthusiasm

[BlazersBroncos]

I mean in reality basically no pro athletes are happy to be traded to Portland. Good team or bad. High COL, homeless everywhere, tiny African American community, wild Multnomah County taxes for high income earners, rains all the time, nightlife is pretty poor (At least the type of nightlife that wealthy athletes prefer), feels like a small city. It has alot to offer in other areas but the types of people that are pro athletes are generally not looking for what it does offer.

[BlazersBroncos]

Because our GM isn't very good, tbh.

Not trading Grant last year after his seemingly unsustainable field goal efficiency, was a rookie error. I fear Cronin is going to make a big mistake tomorrow.

Niang makes 8M. Simons makes 27M. The KP trade was to save a lot of money this season.

Not sure what you're saying. Both trades were cost cutting for the Celtics. KP makes 30.7 Jrue 32.4.

But the Hawks got a much younger player and gave up less in return.

The first order of business for the new owner needs to be to fire Joe's ass.

BRK facilitated the deal by taking on Mann for pick 22.

We didnt have a pick to offer BRK to facilitate the deal for BOS - as the whole point for BOS was to turn KP 28M+ deal into Niang 8M deal.

The only way we could have made a similar move for KP was to pay #11 to BRK.

The 2 deals were very different.

Simons for Holiday saves BOS money long term and a little bit this year.
Niang for Simons saves BOS 20M+ immediately.

[The Sebastian Express]

I mean in reality basically no pro athletes are happy to be traded to Portland. Good team or bad. High COL, homeless everywhere, tiny African American community, wild Multnomah County taxes for high income earners, rains all the time, nightlife is pretty poor (At least the type of nightlife that wealthy athletes prefer), feels like a small city. It has alot to offer in other areas but the types of people that are pro athletes are generally not looking for what it does offer.

Yes, exactly. I think most do like it once they're here. But something so many of us fail to remember is how isolating it must feel. I'll never forget Greg's article later on where he talked about how lonely and isolating it felt because he rarely saw anyone who looked like him. I can't imagine how that feels as a standard person, let alone as a multi-millionaire seven-footer at eighteen and nineteen.

[BlazersBroncos]

I mean in reality basically no pro athletes are happy to be traded to Portland. Good team or bad. High COL, homeless everywhere, tiny African American community, wild Multnomah County taxes for high income earners, rains all the time, nightlife is pretty poor (At least the type of nightlife that wealthy athletes prefer), feels like a small city. It has alot to offer in other areas but the types of people that are pro athletes are generally not looking for what it does offer.

Yes, exactly. I think most do like it once they're here. But something so many of us fail to remember is how isolating it must feel. I'll never forget Greg's article later on where he talked about how lonely and isolating it felt because he rarely saw anyone who looked like him. I can't imagine how that feels as a standard person, let alone as a multi-millionaire seven-footer at eighteen and nineteen.

Yep. And FWIW, thats just how it is. I dont think there is anything inherently wrong with PDX not having a big African American community - its simply how demographics shook out. Seattle is similar. Its just the way it is and its not changing likely ever. And its got to be really rough on a young black kid coming from somewhere with more distributed demographics. PDX is welcoming, but end of the day its not like traveling to Asia on your own free will - its being forced to go to a city for who knows how many years where there just arent many people that look like you.

The other factors dont help - for example San Diego has a pretty small black community but the weather is so freaking nice, you have the ocean and you have LA so close that those mitigating factors would probably make it less isolating. (Not that SD even has a team, just trying to build a picture of all the stuff Portland has going against it).

[The Sebastian Express]

I mean in reality basically no pro athletes are happy to be traded to Portland. Good team or bad. High COL, homeless everywhere, tiny African American community, wild Multnomah County taxes for high income earners, rains all the time, nightlife is pretty poor (At least the type of nightlife that wealthy athletes prefer), feels like a small city. It has alot to offer in other areas but the types of people that are pro athletes are generally not looking for what it does offer.

Yes, exactly. I think most do like it once they're here. But something so many of us fail to remember is how isolating it must feel. I'll never forget Greg's article later on where he talked about how lonely and isolating it felt because he rarely saw anyone who looked like him. I can't imagine how that feels as a standard person, let alone as a multi-millionaire seven-footer at eighteen and nineteen.

Yep. And FWIW, thats just how it is. I dont think there is anything inherently wrong with PDX not having a big African American community - its simply how demographics shook out. Seattle is similar. Its just the way it is and its not changing likely ever. And its got to be really rough on a young black kid coming from somewhere with more distributed demographics. PDX is welcoming, but end of the day its not like traveling to Asia on your own free will - its being forced to go to a city for who knows how many years where there just arent many people that look like you.

The other factors dont help - for example San Diego has a pretty small black community but the weather is so freaking nice, you have the ocean and you have LA so close that those mitigating factors would probably make it less isolating. (Not that SD even has a team, just trying to build a picture of all the stuff Portland has going against it).

Well. It's less so that's how the demographics shook out and more about our.. very unfortunate and racist history as a state. But that's probably a conversation not for this board or and definitely not this thread. But we are slowly becoming a more diverse state! We will never become as diverse as other states at this point, but we are growing and all we can do is hope to improve upon our past and how we treat people on the more subtle and complex issues.

But yes I agree with you completely overall. Like I think most of us love it here in Oregon and where we're from. And so many love it when they get get here. Like I cannot imagine living somewhere with sun all the time or less trees, less rivers, lakes, etc. But it takes time and.. again, like we've said. Just so isolating for certain groups of people, no matter how friendly we all might try to be.

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Gonna need to grab some popcorn if this happens. This board going to explode if the Celtics flip Simons for FRP's.

[Sinobas]

Jrue isn't getting flipped. If he had flip value, Boston wouldn't have just given him up for Anfernee Simons and two second rounders.

Holiday still has value, especially to teams in "win now" mode. He just seems like an odd fit for this team's trajectory. Perhaps those teams didn't have pieces that interested Boston.

It's still possible this was really a "3 team trade" done in multiple parts. But the reporting suggests otherwise.