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Post#1821 » by Godaddycurse » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:20 am

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
I thought Sacramento won the Fox deal...Maxing a player of Fox's caliber is always a gut-punch.

I like what Portland did. I don't mind what New Orleans did. They literally swapped C.J. for Poole, identical archetypes, and are burdened with their starting PG being on a large injury.


Sacrmaento could have kept chicago's 1st but isntead traded it for lavine..
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Post#1822 » by jredsaz » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:27 am

Would the Hawks be interested in Royce ONeale into their TPE for a piece like Mo Gueye or Vit? Maybe even Grayson? They need more bench depth and shooting at the wing.
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Post#1823 » by ReggiesKnicks » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:28 am

jredsaz wrote:Would the Hawks be interested in Royce ONeale into their TPE for a piece like Mo Gueye or Vit? Maybe even Grayson? They need more bench depth and shooting at the wing.


They are picking at #13 and should have the MLE to fill a hole.

I'm not sure they want to commit long-term salary to someone like Royce O'Neale.
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Post#1824 » by jredsaz » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:43 am

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
jredsaz wrote:Would the Hawks be interested in Royce ONeale into their TPE for a piece like Mo Gueye or Vit? Maybe even Grayson? They need more bench depth and shooting at the wing.


They are picking at #13 and should have the MLE to fill a hole.

I'm not sure they want to commit long-term salary to someone like Royce O'Neale.


What if the swap 13 for 10 too? Royce can play in the playoffs. He is what he is but thats what they need at a reasonable number of.
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Post#1825 » by jredsaz » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:46 am

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ReggiesKnicks wrote:
I thought Sacramento won the Fox deal...Maxing a player of Fox's caliber is always a gut-punch.

I like what Portland did. I don't mind what New Orleans did. They literally swapped C.J. for Poole, identical archetypes, and are burdened with their starting PG being on a large injury.


Sacrmaento could have kept chicago's 1st but isntead traded it for lavine..


Real quick, and a total side note, but have you ever compared Lavine, Beal and Banes last three seasons next to each other? It’s pretty close. Clearly Bane is the younger better player but at that cost, getting paid (Beal) or paying little (Lavine) to take on more salary for a shorter term instead of shipping out five firsts made me think.
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Post#1826 » by Texas Chuck » Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:31 am

Okay so if the PG plan is the TMLE, I guess I want them in this order:

1. Chris Paul
big gap
2. Russell
3. Dennis
4. Brogdon

But Dirk doesn't like Dennis, one of three players Dirk has ever had bad things to say about. This has stopped them from pursuing him in the past, but this new regime seems to not care about Dirk so I guess he's now a potential target.

Still think trade is the way to go. Even after signing one of these guys, I want another rotation guard.
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Post#1827 » by Klomp » Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:31 am

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There's a reason the Knicks are interviewing the guy....

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Post#1828 » by giberish » Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:59 am

Snakebites wrote:
NYG wrote:I think so far this is mostly what was expected (KD, Celtics cap saving moves, Magic add a guard) moreso than the craziest offseason ever many were discussing. The in-season trading was crazier than this though.

This level of activity before the draft seems like it’s pretty uncommon.


Yeah. The moves are relatively straightforward (though given the number of moves posted about some of the players it's surprising that nothing close tot the Holiday or Poole deals got posted here (I think some things vaguely like the KP deal were even though Atlanta wasn't a common destination for him. I am surprised by how many deals have been done before the draft - there's usually very few. Does that mean that more will happen or just that teams are making moves earlier? Perhaps the limited cap space and thus limited FA means that teams see no need to wait until July.
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Post#1829 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Jun 25, 2025 4:02 am

giberish wrote:
Snakebites wrote:
NYG wrote:I think so far this is mostly what was expected (KD, Celtics cap saving moves, Magic add a guard) moreso than the craziest offseason ever many were discussing. The in-season trading was crazier than this though.

This level of activity before the draft seems like it’s pretty uncommon.


Yeah. The moves are relatively straightforward (though given the number of moves posted about some of the players it's surprising that nothing close tot the Holiday or Poole deals got posted here (I think some things vaguely like the KP deal were even though Atlanta wasn't a common destination for him. I am surprised by how many deals have been done before the draft - there's usually very few. Does that mean that more will happen or just that teams are making moves earlier? Perhaps the limited cap space and thus limited FA means that teams see no need to wait until July.



Playoffs ran really late and squeezed the time frame if when deals could really be made. And, teams are now able to start negotiations with their own guys early, so a lot of information can be had quickly now and teams can be ready to move.
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Post#1830 » by LightTheBeam » Wed Jun 25, 2025 4:42 am

Are we still trusting Stein in 2025?

Read on Twitter
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Sounds like kings tried to find a pg, jrue was too expensive and they are pivoting to Schroder?

Derozan + carter
For
Wiggins + jaquez

Sabonis/jval
Wiggins/laravia*
Keegan/jaquez
Lavine/keon
Schroder/monk

Yay for 37 wins
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Post#1831 » by toooskies » Wed Jun 25, 2025 5:13 am

giberish wrote:
Snakebites wrote:
NYG wrote:I think so far this is mostly what was expected (KD, Celtics cap saving moves, Magic add a guard) moreso than the craziest offseason ever many were discussing. The in-season trading was crazier than this though.

This level of activity before the draft seems like it’s pretty uncommon.


Yeah. The moves are relatively straightforward (though given the number of moves posted about some of the players it's surprising that nothing close tot the Holiday or Poole deals got posted here (I think some things vaguely like the KP deal were even though Atlanta wasn't a common destination for him. I am surprised by how many deals have been done before the draft - there's usually very few. Does that mean that more will happen or just that teams are making moves earlier? Perhaps the limited cap space and thus limited FA means that teams see no need to wait until July.

Teams looking to offload salary kind of need to do that before everyone spends their cap space.
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Post#1832 » by babyjax13 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 5:16 am

LightTheBeam wrote:Are we still trusting Stein in 2025?

Read on Twitter
?s=19

Sounds like kings tried to find a pg, jrue was too expensive and they are pivoting to Schroder?

Derozan + carter
For
Wiggins + jaquez

Sabonis/jval
Wiggins/laravia*
Keegan/jaquez
Lavine/keon
Schroder/monk

Yay for 37 wins

TBH I think 37 wins is rather optimistic with that roster. But, I think they'll finally bury this team enough that they tank against their will and hopefully end up with a franchise player.
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Post#1833 » by djFan71 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 5:20 am

jayjaysee wrote:
djFan71 wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:
So Dallas can still get Jrue?

I'm officially retired. You'll have to talk to my equally as smart and handsome POR replacement for all future enquiries. Assuming such a thing exists.


Can we call you back about Simons if Jrue doesn’t pan out…

If BOS rehomes Hauser for nothing, then deals Simons for PJ with DAL extra salary going elsewhere, they can have $5.5M to resign Kornet and duck the tax with 14 players. So, depending how the draft day deals go, we may very well soon be talking again.
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Post#1834 » by LightTheBeam » Wed Jun 25, 2025 5:23 am

babyjax13 wrote:
LightTheBeam wrote:Are we still trusting Stein in 2025?

Read on Twitter
?s=19

Sounds like kings tried to find a pg, jrue was too expensive and they are pivoting to Schroder?

Derozan + carter
For
Wiggins + jaquez

Sabonis/jval
Wiggins/laravia*
Keegan/jaquez
Lavine/keon
Schroder/monk

Yay for 37 wins

TBH I think 37 wins is rather optimistic with that roster. But, I think they'll finally bury this team enough that they tank against their will and hopefully end up with a franchise player.


I hope your right, but I've seen the kings long enough to know they somehow edge mid 30s wins and end up drafting 9th instead of top 4. Bottom 5 owner is sports
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Post#1835 » by zimpy27 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:18 am

I think Bucks are fumbling a bit here.

Jrue and KP were gettable.
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Post#1836 » by babyjax13 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:28 am

Is there something around McCollum + Middleton + Smart + ? for Beal + Green that makes sense? I would assume it includes a 2032 pick swap + the Suns' remaining future picks from the Utah deal?

McCollum/Smart
Booker/Allen
Brooks/Middleton
Dunn/O'neale
Richards/Ighodoro

It is awful, but they would clear their payroll for 2026 free agency.
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Post#1837 » by TheNetsFan » Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:32 am

daoneandonly wrote:Would Bkn do #8, #22, 2027 frp, 2029 frp, and Mann for AD?

No, but we'll do that for Flagg.
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Post#1838 » by TheNetsFan » Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:35 am

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youngcrev wrote:Question that I don't know where to put regarding an owed pick:

2027 first round draft pick to Brooklyn
At least two years after Philadelphia conveys a 1st round pick to Oklahoma City if this pick is conveyed to Oklahoma City in 2025 or 2026, Philadelphia's 1st round pick to Brooklyn protected for selections 1-8 in 2027 and 1-8 in 2028; if Philadelphia has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Brooklyn by 2028, then Philadelphia will instead convey its 2028 2nd round pick to Brooklyn; Brooklyn may convey the 2028 1st round pick to Phoenix (see Brooklyn Incoming) which may then convey this pick to Washington (see Phoenix Outgoing) [Brooklyn-Philadelphia, 2/10/2022]

For further reference, here is the language on the pick owed to OKC:

2026 first round draft pick to Oklahoma City
Philadelphia's 1st round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 1-4 in 2026 and 1-4 in 2027; if Philadelphia has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Oklahoma City by 2027, then Philadelphia will instead convey its 2027 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Philadelphia-Oklahoma City, 12/8/2020]

So my question is: Is that pick owed to Brooklyn now just a 2028 top 8 protected 1st that becomes a 2nd round pick if not conveyed? That's what it seems like based on the language of the deal (at least how I'm reading it), but the Sixers do own an extra pick from LAC that would prevent Stepien rules.

Really just circling back to "should the Sixers give a damn about reacquiring this pick in a trade back scenario with the Nets?"


i think its now just a 2028 top 8 protected 1st

Correct. If the pick lands top 4 next year or top 8 in '28, then it becomes 2nds.
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Post#1839 » by WarFan » Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:53 am

toooskies wrote:
giberish wrote:
Snakebites wrote:This level of activity before the draft seems like it’s pretty uncommon.


Yeah. The moves are relatively straightforward (though given the number of moves posted about some of the players it's surprising that nothing close tot the Holiday or Poole deals got posted here (I think some things vaguely like the KP deal were even though Atlanta wasn't a common destination for him. I am surprised by how many deals have been done before the draft - there's usually very few. Does that mean that more will happen or just that teams are making moves earlier? Perhaps the limited cap space and thus limited FA means that teams see no need to wait until July.

Teams looking to offload salary kind of need to do that before everyone spends their cap space.

And Boston wanted to get out of the second apron before the new season started.

I'm pretty sure the Celtics would be doing these trades now even if they just repeated as champions. Would've looked horrible for the league imo.
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Post#1840 » by Devilanche » Wed Jun 25, 2025 7:20 am

WarFan wrote:
toooskies wrote:
giberish wrote:
Yeah. The moves are relatively straightforward (though given the number of moves posted about some of the players it's surprising that nothing close tot the Holiday or Poole deals got posted here (I think some things vaguely like the KP deal were even though Atlanta wasn't a common destination for him. I am surprised by how many deals have been done before the draft - there's usually very few. Does that mean that more will happen or just that teams are making moves earlier? Perhaps the limited cap space and thus limited FA means that teams see no need to wait until July.

Teams looking to offload salary kind of need to do that before everyone spends their cap space.

And Boston wanted to get out of the second apron before the new season started.

I'm pretty sure the Celtics would be doing these trades now even if they just repeated as champions. Would've looked horrible for the league imo.


Tatum being out nearly whole season impact how extreme their cost cutting would have been .
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