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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1481 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 4:21 am

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KdoubleDees23 wrote:Someone just said Rasheer Fleming is going to be the best player from this draft. Never seen him play. Anyone have scouting on him?


I was checking that dude out yesterday and liked his profile. I'd be cool with Flemming at 10

He's a big stretch at #10. I have not seen anyone mock him to go higher than #19 and most I've seen is in the late 20's or early 2nd.

Fleming was not invited to the NBA draft green room, pointing to the likelihood he might fall to the back of the first round. He hasn't gathered much momentum over the past month but remains in consideration due to his physical tools and improving 3-point shooting. While not a flashy player or immensely skilled, his length, improvement track and late-blooming trajectory point to untapped potential. -- Woo
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1482 » by Dr Manute » Wed Jun 25, 2025 4:32 am

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KdoubleDees23 wrote:Someone just said Rasheer Fleming is going to be the best player from this draft. Never seen him play. Anyone have scouting on him?


I was checking that dude out yesterday and liked his profile. I'd be cool with Flemming at 10

He's a big stretch at #10. I have not seen anyone mock him to go higher than #19 and most I've seen is in the late 20's or early 2nd.

Fleming was not invited to the NBA draft green room, pointing to the likelihood he might fall to the back of the first round. He hasn't gathered much momentum over the past month but remains in consideration due to his physical tools and improving 3-point shooting. While not a flashy player or immensely skilled, his length, improvement track and late-blooming trajectory point to untapped potential. -- Woo


My son showed me one mock where he fell to #29. I told him it would be unlikely.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1483 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 4:37 am

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I was checking that dude out yesterday and liked his profile. I'd be cool with Flemming at 10

He's a big stretch at #10. I have not seen anyone mock him to go higher than #19 and most I've seen is in the late 20's or early 2nd.

Fleming was not invited to the NBA draft green room, pointing to the likelihood he might fall to the back of the first round. He hasn't gathered much momentum over the past month but remains in consideration due to his physical tools and improving 3-point shooting. While not a flashy player or immensely skilled, his length, improvement track and late-blooming trajectory point to untapped potential. -- Woo


My son showed me one mock where he fell to #29. I told him it would be unlikely.

Late teens is possible but most likely mid 20s imo. Absolutely not 10 though.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1484 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed Jun 25, 2025 4:44 am

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:
KdoubleDees23 wrote:Someone just said Rasheer Fleming is going to be the best player from this draft. Never seen him play. Anyone have scouting on him?


I was checking that dude out yesterday and liked his profile. I'd be cool with Flemming at 10

He's a big stretch at #10. I have not seen anyone mock him to go higher than #19 and most I've seen is in the late 20's or early 2nd.

Fleming was not invited to the NBA draft green room, pointing to the likelihood he might fall to the back of the first round. He hasn't gathered much momentum over the past month but remains in consideration due to his physical tools and improving 3-point shooting. While not a flashy player or immensely skilled, his length, improvement track and late-blooming trajectory point to untapped potential. -- Woo


The Suns do have a history of reaching for dudes at 10 so I wouldn't rule it out :)


Maybe a trade back guy, IDK I just like his profile more than like half the dudes mocked ahead of him.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1485 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 4:55 am

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I was checking that dude out yesterday and liked his profile. I'd be cool with Flemming at 10

He's a big stretch at #10. I have not seen anyone mock him to go higher than #19 and most I've seen is in the late 20's or early 2nd.

Fleming was not invited to the NBA draft green room, pointing to the likelihood he might fall to the back of the first round. He hasn't gathered much momentum over the past month but remains in consideration due to his physical tools and improving 3-point shooting. While not a flashy player or immensely skilled, his length, improvement track and late-blooming trajectory point to untapped potential. -- Woo


The Suns do have a history of reaching for dudes at 10 so I wouldn't rule it out :)


Maybe a trade back guy, IDK I just like his profile more than like half the dudes mocked ahead of him.


There's really only one guy I have my eye on who I really would consider trying to move up for and that's Kasparas Jakucionis. But there's a decent chance he's gone by #8 or #9 since I think Toronto could use another playmaker. But if he's gone, then yeah I'd be open to moving back and grabbing Sorber and move up from #29 to get Fleming. It's two bigs but they do quite different stuff on the court and I love the prospect of having 2 dudes with like 7'5 wingspans
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1486 » by Saberestar » Wed Jun 25, 2025 5:55 am

What do you think about Asa Newell?

Gambo mentioned him (and a few others) as a PF that the Suns like.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1487 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed Jun 25, 2025 7:23 am

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lilfishi22 wrote:I'd move down 15 and a future first. I wouldn't put all my eggs into this one draft basket. Especially next year when we probably won't have a good pick.


I understand your thought process man! But we have a lot of holes to fill throughout our roster, and we're still really low on talent and developmental assets that we could showcase to replenish our asset cache that's currently pretty empty.

Not only those considerations, but given our cap situation, and little to no control over the Beal outcome, and due to taking back equivalent salary from the KD trade, we need all the cost controlled young talent ( on 4 yr rookie scale contracts that we can get yo balance out our bigger salaries in Booker, Beal and now Green too.

Without any guarantees of being able to even move off of Allen and O'neale for much cheaper options, this premise is only exacerbated in importance. :nod:

This isn’t a particularly deep draft, and I’d rather potentially have a pick in the late lottery or mid-1st next season as well than trade down for 2 shots outside of the lotto this draft and hope we hit on two players when even landing one solid contributor is a gamble. Personally, I’ve always believed in drafting the BPA over drafting for need and if we weren’t already short on draft capital, I’d be more open to using picks to address specific gaps. But given how few picks we have, it doesn’t make sense to use them for holes. I mean, it's great if the BPA also happened to fit a need but I wouldn't preference a lesser talent because they happened to meet a short term need.

Looking at the bigger picture, I’d rather have a pick next year and address immediate needs with minimum contracts. Developmental capacity is also a factor. We already have #29 and two second-rounders. You can’t realistically bring in four or five rookies and expect to develop them all properly. I’d much prefer we draft no more than two players this year and try to trade down to secure an additional pick for next season.


To each their own I suppose for the best strategy to implement man!
Sure it's not as much of a deep draft due to so many players withdrawing, and the results of that pushing a plethora of lesser known one or 5wo trick ponies ( in early stage development) higher than they'd normally go).

But what there still is in this draft is outlier tier groupings of legitimate high end talent scattered sporadically at different stages throughout this draft! And when you consider exactly how many various holes and weaknesses we actually have throughout our roster at multiple positions, and exactly how many players we're either trading or not bringing back too.

And then consider our befo delicate cap situation, and having significantly less flexibility and cap resources than 80-90% of the other teams out there,

it just makes no logical sense to consolidate our picks into even less/fewer assets and cumupatively trade out of the draft for the option of low ceiling vet mins who've repeatedly underperformed (as established by the minimum status over years in the league), and also for an unknown commodity in the future, when we could already be setting a new foundation!

We need assets/ talent ( cost controlled)/ size/ positional versatility and an athletic youth injection now, not another year down the road man! We need to be starting to infuse our roster with young, hungry athletic talent, size, athleticism and physicality now!


Not a year from now. Because we need to quickly he trending in the right direction (with actual youth development already in progress around our core to mitigate the value exchange we'll be giving up for the 27' and 29' 1sts to Houston.

What we don't need is to be kicking the can down the road (on young, athletic talent that is cost controlled) another year for an unknown outcome that inhibits our competitive trajectory by another year of needing playing time and further development.

I of course understand the allure and appeal of a loaded 26' draft class man. But obviously we already added multiple 2nds in that draft and when you look at the logistics and climate of many current trades in the NBA under this very punitive CBA, it speaks to the benefit of cost control and cap flexibility.

Because clearly teams are fashing in on draft picks and big name players by sheer virtue of having cap flexibility to absorb contracts and are getting picks and impact players for doing so!

So honestly, it's not at all like we couldn't acquire draft picks for the 26' draft not only by virtue of the cap reduction and cost controlled roster balance that these prospects would afford us in balancing our books more.


But these prospects added now (because we're low key not seriously competing in the next two seasons), would have a chance to develop and showcase themselves into premium value as assets that we could then move for bigger value exchanges/ picks in that specific draft or future drafts.


Lastly, we desperately need an infusion of both! when it comes to young players and key cost controlled vets. But I'll tell you right now man, were in a very limited outcome scenario when it comes to competitively bidding/ attracting key free agents or even quality free agents, even suggested vet minimum options.

I mean can you honestly tell me even one rumor of a key free agent being linked to us. Because the other underlying / inherent value of draft pick prospects is in that you don't have to bid contractually or situationally for them.

As long as you do your due diligence to establish range and then also put yourselves in that pick range to select them, your odds of successful acquisition and 4 yrs of contractual control are greatly increased vs bidding in an open market scenario.

But most of all, as I've previously pointed out, we need legitimate size, athleticism youth injection, young, physical and hungry players now! Not another year from now. Our front office understands this " bird in hand" benefit and us trying to accommodate this expedited strategy, not push things out further and wait longer to transition gradually. :nod:
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1488 » by Ryu » Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:16 am

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Turns out having an overpaid center is far better than having an underpaid one in Nick Richards thinking he was going to do all the defensive things that Ayton was actually good at.

Plus, the board needs their punching bag too, right?

Richards at $5m and doing about 80% of DA's work is pretty good value




Lots of centers can put up 10/10. Lobs and then usually being one of the tallest players on court gets you rebound. But Richards stats are deceiving because he absolutely has no impact both ends.

So yes sure, his 5M a year is low cost for his numbers but Suns are not going anywhere with him as center.

There are centers out there with less rebounds or less points and are much better than Nick Richards.

Suns should really try to get someone like Okongwu from Hawks or even Jalen Smith back from Bulls, as he had no fear challenging shots, he had energy and can stretch the floor.
I get it, that the Suns don't want a high value big man as long as they get rebounds.... but sadly, to be a good team, your big man needs to be reliable to defend perimeter and inside even if it doesn't lead to direct statistics. Ayton provided those things and Ayton also dominated Richards on their matchups just to show the talent gap between the two.


Defending DA (especially on Twitter) is a losing battle. Half the fanbase got on his back the second they saw Luka Dončić stats and realizing he is not new Shaq who can average 30-20.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1489 » by Frank Lee » Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:33 am

Better solve the PG vacancy. Can we do it in this draft? Should we? Pickings are mighty slim if we resort to free agency.

One player I’d target via trade is Bub Carrington. Not sure if Wash has different plans for him after acquiring CJ. Not sure if we have anything of interest other than #10. Utah Collier might be obtainable too. wouldn’t be surprised if Jevon Carter’s name gets tossed around.

Something has to happen

DLo is looming

Edit: oh well
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Our guy @DavidAldridgeDC on Bub Carrington being a guy WSH is extremely high on:

"You can't have Jordan Poole sopping up 30 minutes a game if Bub Carrington's your guy. You've got to give him the ball and see what he can do as your lead point guard for the foreseeable future."
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Post#1490 » by Saberestar » Wed Jun 25, 2025 11:26 am

Frank Lee wrote:Better solve the PG vacancy. Can we do it in this draft? Should we? Pickings are mighty slim if we resort to free agency.

One player I’d target via trade is Bub Carrington. Not sure if Wash has different plans for him after acquiring CJ. Not sure if we have anything of interest other than #10. Utah Collier might be obtainable too. wouldn’t be surprised if Jevon Carter’s name gets tossed around.

Something has to happen

DLo is looming

Edit: oh well
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Our guy @DavidAldridgeDC on Bub Carrington being a guy WSH is extremely high on:

"You can't have Jordan Poole sopping up 30 minutes a game if Bub Carrington's your guy. You've got to give him the ball and see what he can do as your lead point guard for the foreseeable future."
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Yeah, Carrington and Collier will not go anywhere.

It's like Ryan Dunn for us. He is not gonna get traded after just a rookie season.

Jevon Carter is absolutely available but I don't think he is good enough to be on the rotation. As a third string...yeah, I love his attitude and defense.

We just need to get a backup PG. I would love to get Egor Demim. Not sure about other PGs in the draft.
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Post#1491 » by Frank Lee » Wed Jun 25, 2025 11:40 am

You are nuts if you think point Book is returning… and double nuts if you think point Green is an option
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1492 » by Calvin Klein » Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:21 pm

I wouldn't be surprised at all if point Book is returning. It's still the same FO.
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Post#1493 » by Frank Lee » Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:16 pm

Sadly yes… may be I’m nuts to think otherwise
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1494 » by BobbieL » Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:23 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:Probably regurgitating what you all already know

https://www.blazersedge.com/2025/6/24/24455217/nba-draft-oklahoma-city-thunder-portland-trail-blazers-jonathan-givony-rumors-trades
“The logical solution is to combine those picks into a single premium pick. According to ESPN’s Jonathan Givony, that appears to be exactly what the Thunder are working on. Givony said the following on ESPN’s SportCenter:

“I keep hearing rumblings that the Thunder are trying to move up. They have 15, 24, 44. They could package all three of those picks, look to move up four or five slots, maybe six to Toronto. It’s not clear on their roster that they have any real needs right now so they can afford to take a swing on a high-upside prospect who fits that defensive DNA that won them a championship.”

If this were the NFL draft, I’d be all for trading down. But in the NBA, the higher the pick the better chances of getting a quality player that makes an instant impact. Not a fan of trading down in the NBA.

Suns desperately need instant impact players, not projects. And projects are usually after the top 10 (with some exceptions obviously).

We're ironically in a similar situation with #10, #29, #52, #59. I don't expect we take 4 guys in this draft. Certainly not trading down for an additional 5th pick either.


The Suns should be looking for more future draft capital. Trade back this year from 10 to 15/24.. Take one of those picks for future years

I think they need more picks as they need more darts at the dart board. I don't need to see the Bol Bols or Damion Lees at the end of the bench
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1495 » by Saberestar » Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:38 pm

Frank Lee wrote:You are nuts if you think point Book is returning… and double nuts if you think point Green is an option

They are gonna try it.

Jalen Green attacks relentlessly the rim, he puts pressure on the rim. He excells in fastbreaks and transition.

IIRC we were the last team in the NBA in shots at the rim last season and one of the worst in transition/fastbreak points. He is gonna elevate us in those areas.

But we are gonna need a backup PG on the roster capable of playing big minutes if needed.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1496 » by Fo-Real » Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:50 pm

Frank Lee wrote:You are nuts if you think point Book is returning… and double nuts if you think point Green is an option


Point Green is coming for sure.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1497 » by Fo-Real » Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:59 pm

Saberestar wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:You are nuts if you think point Book is returning… and double nuts if you think point Green is an option

They are gonna try it.

Jalen Green attacks relentlessly the rim, he puts pressure on the rim. He excells in fastbreaks and transition.

IIRC we were the last team in the NBA in shots at the rim last season and one of the worst in transition/fastbreak points. He is gonna elevate us in those areas.

But we are gonna need a backup PG on the roster capable of playing big minutes if needed.


Guys like Dunn and Oso are gonna love his up-tempo energy. Book also tends to tap into his teammates and emulate them. He was spicy with Oubre, edgy with Crowder and Paul, and a soulless boring mushroom with KD.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1498 » by KdoubleDees23 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:02 pm

Fo-Real wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:You are nuts if you think point Book is returning… and double nuts if you think point Green is an option


Point Green is coming for sure.


I actually like point green! He is like a Westbrook

Let’s grab Westbrook as well
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1499 » by Sunsdeuce » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:03 pm

A week ago the team was pounding its chest that Booker is best used as purely as a shooting guard. Now they changed their mind?

Still feels like this team is directionless.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1500 » by BobbieL » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:14 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:A week ago the team was pounding its chest that Booker is best used as purely as a shooting guard. Now they changed their mind?

Still feels like this team is directionless.


Exactly. Now I get the Durant trade as it was probably the best offer and Green had the biggest upside. But they need to start having a vision for the team. And I hope Ishbia doesn't think he needs to cash in a lot of chips this offseason just to possibly compete for the 11th /10th seed.

The Pacers and thunders showed - that it is a process. Just keep getting good players and use trades, get more picks to keep building player by player

I still think Ishbia is going to use a lot of draft capital today to trade up for a "player" and trade future draft capital to offload Beal and its just a hodgepodge of activity over an actual plan

As for Point Book - don't do it. I get with Green they will to a degree but his best position is SG so don't weaken that position

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