Rumors, Random Thoughts, and non-Threadworthy Posts 18.0 Dave Cowens drove a taxi

[djFan71]

Is Anthony Black available at all? Or is it a make us an offer we can't refuse situation? I'd love something around Simons/picks for Black/Isaac/Jett or something. I just don't know if there are picks BOS has that make ORL interested and if so, what they are.

[oldncreaky]

I'm officially retired. You'll have to talk to my equally as smart and handsome POR replacement for all future enquiries. Assuming such a thing exists.

Can we call you back about Simons if Jrue doesn’t pan out…

If BOS rehomes Hauser for nothing, then deals Simons for PJ with DAL extra salary going elsewhere, they can have $5.5M to resign Kornet and duck the tax with 14 players. So, depending how the draft day deals go, we may very well soon be talking again.

Especially now that they've paid the price of sacrificing KP and Jrue, BOS might as well duck the tax. Given how punitive the repeater tax rates are, and how close BOS now is to ducking the tax, I'm expecting more moves in line with what you describe for them to get all the way under for 2025-2026, and possibly another season as well.

[djFan71]

Can we call you back about Simons if Jrue doesn’t pan out…

If BOS rehomes Hauser for nothing, then deals Simons for PJ with DAL extra salary going elsewhere, they can have $5.5M to resign Kornet and duck the tax with 14 players. So, depending how the draft day deals go, we may very well soon be talking again.

Especially now that they've paid the price of sacrificing KP and Jrue, BOS might as well duck the tax. Given how punitive the repeater tax rates are, and how close BOS now is to ducking the tax, I'm expecting more moves in line with what you describe for them to get all the way under for 2025-2026, and possibly another season as well.

Yeah, that's the 2nd part, Isaac elswhere (SAC?) for nothing/maybe a 2nd.
I had a minute where I thought of keeping Simons, but it just makes too much sense to split him up and get one good cheap player and siphon off the rest to duck the tax. Anything from $15M on down works, if you move Hauser and Niang too.

[Mavrelous]

Brad Stevens is one of the 2 best executives with Presti, but I would strongly have pushed for Hauser to ATL and got Mann for BOS, while dumping the Minivan into some car lot in Brooklyn or DC, having a year off, he could have gambled on internal development of his bench shooter or just draft one, Mann is a good defensive wing and can take some ball handling duties.

[BBallFreak]

Are we still trusting Stein in 2025?

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Sounds like kings tried to find a pg, jrue was too expensive and they are pivoting to Schroder?

Derozan + carter
For
Wiggins + jaquez

Sabonis/jval
Wiggins/laravia*
Keegan/jaquez
Lavine/keon
Schroder/monk

Yay for 37 wins

I don't see why Miami touches that. I feel like we're giving up the best player and prospect in the deal

[enzino]

emending BOS/PDX trade, re-routing Simons to the Spurs:

to Celtics: Harrison Barnes, Julian Champagnie, 9M$ of instant cap saving in 2024/25
to Trail Blazers: Jrue Holiday
to Spurs: Anfernee Simons

[Mavrelous]

emending BOS/PDX trade, re-routing Simons to the Spurs:

to Celtics: Harrison Barnes, Julian Champagnie, 9M$ of instant cap saving in 2024/25
to Trail Blazers: Jrue Holiday
to Spurs: Anfernee Simons

Spurs aren't a good destination, they have 3 guards who all need 30+ MPG, they aren't going to trade 2 forwards for a 4th guard.

[jayjaysee]

Just a random bad one that’ll probably get me more -1’s from all sides.

Does Washington do 18 for the right to swap the 2026 first (worse of OKC/Hou/LAC) for the Dallas 2026 first top 5 protected?

Most likely Washington doing 18 and 29-30~ for 10-14? Which is a value win in my eyes. But they don’t get the upside if Dallas wins the lottery..

Dallas gets the tangible asset to use to go get their scoring guard, or maybe Egor or Jace fam and they love them?

[daoneandonly]

After both the Celtics' trades, is a trade of Jaylen Brown for AD now legal? Bos can deal with whatever time AD will this season but plan to form an even betetr 1-2 punch when Tatum returns. Dallas plugs Brown in with Flagg and reunites him with Ky

[cl2117]

After both the Celtics' trades, is a trade of Jaylen Brown for AD now legal? Bos can deal with whatever time AD will this season but plan to form an even betetr 1-2 punch when Tatum returns. Dallas plugs Brown in with Flagg and reunites him with Ky

I think it'd be legal but I don't think either team is interested.

AD would be 33 the year Tatum comes back and while he hasn't really slowed down, he's got a lot of miles and the injuries seem to racking up. I don't think Stevens rolls the dice on that even if he's a better player than Jaylen (who in fairness hasn't been the picture of health himself).

For the Mavs, you juuuust traded Luka with the main piece coming back being AD. I can't really imagine how Nico justifies moving him now for JB.

And honestly I'd just be furious that we could have just traded Brown for Luka, so I'd say no out of spite for not calling us in the first place

[daoneandonly]

After both the Celtics' trades, is a trade of Jaylen Brown for AD now legal? Bos can deal with whatever time AD will this season but plan to form an even betetr 1-2 punch when Tatum returns. Dallas plugs Brown in with Flagg and reunites him with Ky

I think it'd be legal but I don't think either team is interested.

AD would be 33 the year Tatum comes back and while he hasn't really slowed down, he's got a lot of miles and the injuries seem to racking up. I don't think Stevens rolls the dice on that even if he's a better player than Jaylen (who in fairness hasn't been the picture of health himself).

For the Mavs, you juuuust traded Luka with the main piece coming back being AD. I can't really imagine how Nico justifies moving him now for JB.

And honestly I'd just be furious that we could have just traded Brown for Luka, so I'd say no out of spite for not calling us in the first place

Ha I understand. I think the Mavs faithful would be perfectly fine with it, though, as many of us (not all of course) don't even want AD here for a multitude of reasons. This we kind of be a recharge of sorts and such an exchange likely wouldnt sour Kyrie who played with Brown before, and Flagg who's a Celtics fan. SO I feel like its the best way Nico can salvage a little bit of the damage he inflicted on this team, and they'd still be competitive which seems to eb the goal vs a reset/rebuild.

For the C's, with KP gone and Al getting closer to retirement, just think AD makes sense. Hauser/Simons can help with the scoring need and AD/Tatum may be the best duo in the league

[Devilanche]

OKC generic idea.

What value gap is there in a 3 way trade involving OKC . 4 way if Joe is sent elsewhere for lower contract.

OKC in : look at my options
OKC out : Joe / Dieng

Options :
Choice 1 : Indiana sends out Toppin , assuming take Joe if not we reroute him elsewhere for lesser salary incoming for Indiana.
Choice 2 : Boston sends out Hauser , assuming take Joe if not we reroute him elsewhere for lesser salary incoming for Boston .

3rd team in : Dieng / 2nd ( OKC pays)
3rd team out : some random draft rights

Is this idea too OKC centric that nobody have an opinion?

[Godaddycurse]

OKC generic idea.

What value gap is there in a 3 way trade involving OKC . 4 way if Joe is sent elsewhere for lower contract.

OKC in : look at my options
OKC out : Joe / Dieng

Options :
Choice 1 : Indiana sends out Toppin , assuming take Joe if not we reroute him elsewhere for lesser salary incoming for Indiana.
Choice 2 : Boston sends out Hauser , assuming take Joe if not we reroute him elsewhere for lesser salary incoming for Boston .

3rd team in : Dieng / 2nd ( OKC pays)
3rd team out : some random draft rights

Is this idea too OKC centric that nobody have an opinion?

i dont think either team is interested in Joe for toppin/hauser swap and 3rd team probably prefers toppin/hauser over joe to begin with..

[jbk1234]

I think Bucks are fumbling a bit here.

Jrue and KP were gettable.

Only if the Celtics, who probably aren't that interested in helping the Bucks, woukd take back Kuzma, and liked Kuzma enough to spend their own first to shed the equivalent of Mann's contract. Both Simons and Niang are expiring.

Neither guy was really gettable before free agency for the Bucks. BroLo is a free agent and Portis is expected to be.

[Devilanche]

OKC generic idea.

What value gap is there in a 3 way trade involving OKC . 4 way if Joe is sent elsewhere for lower contract.

OKC in : look at my options
OKC out : Joe / Dieng

Options :
Choice 1 : Indiana sends out Toppin , assuming take Joe if not we reroute him elsewhere for lesser salary incoming for Indiana.
Choice 2 : Boston sends out Hauser , assuming take Joe if not we reroute him elsewhere for lesser salary incoming for Boston .

3rd team in : Dieng / 2nd ( OKC pays)
3rd team out : some random draft rights

Is this idea too OKC centric that nobody have an opinion?

i dont think either team is interested in Joe for toppin/hauser swap and 3rd team probably prefers toppin/hauser over joe to begin with..

That’s a fair take .

OKC off-season pieces would be moving Joe / Dieng / Dillon at best is my guess/hope so pretty much would be spamming that counter offer for salary matching on OKC’s end .

[Mavrelous]

OKC generic idea.

What value gap is there in a 3 way trade involving OKC . 4 way if Joe is sent elsewhere for lower contract.

OKC in : look at my options
OKC out : Joe / Dieng

Options :
Choice 1 : Indiana sends out Toppin , assuming take Joe if not we reroute him elsewhere for lesser salary incoming for Indiana.
Choice 2 : Boston sends out Hauser , assuming take Joe if not we reroute him elsewhere for lesser salary incoming for Boston .

3rd team in : Dieng / 2nd ( OKC pays)
3rd team out : some random draft rights

Is this idea too OKC centric that nobody have an opinion?

i dont think either team is interested in Joe for toppin/hauser swap and 3rd team probably prefers toppin/hauser over joe to begin with..

I'm not sure about that, Toppin is expensive for his production.

[Godaddycurse]

Is this idea too OKC centric that nobody have an opinion?

i dont think either team is interested in Joe for toppin/hauser swap and 3rd team probably prefers toppin/hauser over joe to begin with..

I'm not sure about that, Toppin is expensive for his production.

Toppjns was relied upon in the playoffs.. Joe barely got minutes

[Mavrelous]

i dont think either team is interested in Joe for toppin/hauser swap and 3rd team probably prefers toppin/hauser over joe to begin with..

I'm not sure about that, Toppin is expensive for his production.

Toppjns was relied upon in the playoffs.. Joe barely got minutes

Give Carlisle Joe and he'll rely on him

[cl2117]

OKC generic idea.

What value gap is there in a 3 way trade involving OKC . 4 way if Joe is sent elsewhere for lower contract.

OKC in : look at my options
OKC out : Joe / Dieng

Options :
Choice 1 : Indiana sends out Toppin , assuming take Joe if not we reroute him elsewhere for lesser salary incoming for Indiana.
Choice 2 : Boston sends out Hauser , assuming take Joe if not we reroute him elsewhere for lesser salary incoming for Boston .

3rd team in : Dieng / 2nd ( OKC pays)
3rd team out : some random draft rights

Is this idea too OKC centric that nobody have an opinion?

Boston in particular is looking to trim payroll themselves not add any, so you can rule them out for Joe.

People are speculating Hauser could be on the block to help them duck the tax this season so if you've got a 3rd/4th team willing to eat Dieng/Joe I think Hauser could be a possibility. I don't expect Stevens to just dump him though. Having moved KP/Jrue they now have options to dip below the tax that don't involve getting rid of any of their current core that's still around, so I'm guessing he's looking at value in return.

[brackdan70]

Brad Stevens is one of the 2 best executives with Presti, but I would strongly have pushed for Hauser to ATL and got Mann for BOS, while dumping the Minivan into some car lot in Brooklyn or DC, having a year off, he could have gambled on internal development of his bench shooter or just draft one, Mann is a good defensive wing and can take some ball handling duties.

Yeah I was a bit puzzled. I get the need and benefit of getting under the second Apron, but I would have kept Mann and pick 22…spent a second to move Niang. It sounds like there is a robust market for Hauser so he can/ could have been moved without taking on salary or giving up a first.
The end result there would have been still under the second Apron, Mann for three years and pick 22. The difference is it would be harder to cut more and less future flexibility. It seems Stevens maybe has a plan in mind, and views Mann more negatively than I do.