SHAMS: Kyrie Irving declines Player Option, intends to sign a 3 year $119 M contract

[Mavrelous]

Kyrie having his step mother for agent cost him 10s of millions of dollars...

[slicedbread2]

Dallas is just basically Flagg+ a bunch of AARP's in Thompson, Irving and Davis. Nico de Gallo has truly ran off the rails here. Irving should've squeezed for a lot more considering that him walking for nothing would be even more painful. At the same time, Nico could've cut his losses and hand the reigns to Flagg, but alas.

Won't be long before Flagg demands out from these morons.

[Mavrelous]

Kyrie play from 2024 deadline to 2025 deadline was a legit 35% cap player, less than 40 and only 3 years is a real bargain.

[Dan Z]

This literally is the best option possible for the Mavericks. To trade Luka and not hold on to Kyrie or AD would be foolish.

Mavericks are now under the 2nd apron after this deal if I remember correctly.

They have plenty of players to trade if needed this season... and best of all, everyone expires at the same time to completely rebuild around Flagg if all else fails.

How many HOFs take a pay cut like that? Kyrie is in it to win it. This is his team now. Cooper's in the future.

A pay cut? He's currently injured and most likely will be out all season.

Yes he'll get 39.6 million next year instead of 43 (which was his player option), but he's also getting 39.6 for two more seasons after that.

it is believe that Irving will earn 36.7M / 39.7M / 42.6M in the coming 3 years, and immediately Irving earn 7M less now, that allow Mavs to go under 2nd apron and also have the 5.7M tax-payer MLE to sign a short term PG in replace now. It is a win-win game

I get why they both agreed to it, but I'm not going to call it a pay cut.

Where else would he go? Who else was going to pay him?

[dirkdiggler4177]

Lol. People here find all kind of reasons to hate Harrison. He got Irving for nothing. He got rid of KP for Diwiddie at deadline and Spencer was a huge factor in the playoffs. He tanked one season and was able to draft Lively, a starting center. He got Gafford and Washington at the trade deadline and the Mavs would not have made the finals without them. He saw Luka as a liability health wise and didnt want to pay 70mill a season for a player who potenially only play 50 games a season. Seeing how the Celtics are now moving players and Even looking to trade Jaylen Brown he might have been onto something.

The Mavs are in a great position now. The Western conference is weaker now and the Mavs are stacked on positions except pointguard. Flagg being there makes this fantastic for Mavs fans going future.

Or we could trade everybody and hopefully get lucky in the draft and wait 3-4 years and maybe win some games.

[dirkdiggler4177]

A pay cut? He's currently injured and most likely will be out all season.

Yes he'll get 39.6 million next year instead of 43 (which was his player option), but he's also getting 39.6 for two more seasons after that.

it is believe that Irving will earn 36.7M / 39.7M / 42.6M in the coming 3 years, and immediately Irving earn 7M less now, that allow Mavs to go under 2nd apron and also have the 5.7M tax-payer MLE to sign a short term PG in replace now. It is a win-win game

I get why they both agreed to it, but I'm not going to call it a pay cut.

Where else would he go? Who else was going to pay him?

How often do NBA teams do this to players like Irving? Like really low ball them? It happened to Harden, but who else? Would you as a free agent sign with a team that consintly screwed players?

[mfletcher4177]

A pay cut? He's currently injured and most likely will be out all season.

Yes he'll get 39.6 million next year instead of 43 (which was his player option), but he's also getting 39.6 for two more seasons after that.

it is believe that Irving will earn 36.7M / 39.7M / 42.6M in the coming 3 years, and immediately Irving earn 7M less now, that allow Mavs to go under 2nd apron and also have the 5.7M tax-payer MLE to sign a short term PG in replace now. It is a win-win game

I get why they both agreed to it, but I'm not going to call it a pay cut.

Where else would he go? Who else was going to pay him?

I did ask you a question earlier that went ignored. How much do you think Kyrie deserves as a free agent? Do you think no other team would pay him what he signed for?

[Michaellam1987]

A pay cut? He's currently injured and most likely will be out all season.

Yes he'll get 39.6 million next year instead of 43 (which was his player option), but he's also getting 39.6 for two more seasons after that.

it is believe that Irving will earn 36.7M / 39.7M / 42.6M in the coming 3 years, and immediately Irving earn 7M less now, that allow Mavs to go under 2nd apron and also have the 5.7M tax-payer MLE to sign a short term PG in replace now. It is a win-win game

I get why they both agreed to it, but I'm not going to call it a pay cut.

Where else would he go? Who else was going to pay him?

If he is unhappy, he can simply opt in 43M this year, and using injury as excuse to play very little to rest and then go to FA market next year. Next year, there will be tons of team having cap space, and some teams such as LAL/MIA/HOU/DET/LAC/MIA may all be interested.

[lethalizer]

I don't think it's easy to gauge Kyrie's value currently as it's a bunch of unkowns. The history for small players like him suffering that kinda injury and becoming themselves is not looking good, but risking him to walk for nothing is also not good.

I get what they did in the end, 2028 will be the last hurrah for them. I don't think a 36 year old Kyrie and a 35 year old AD will do much that season, but if everything aligns their way and everyone is healthy for the 26-27 season, they might do some serious damage.

[Dan Z]

it is believe that Irving will earn 36.7M / 39.7M / 42.6M in the coming 3 years, and immediately Irving earn 7M less now, that allow Mavs to go under 2nd apron and also have the 5.7M tax-payer MLE to sign a short term PG in replace now. It is a win-win game

I get why they both agreed to it, but I'm not going to call it a pay cut.

Where else would he go? Who else was going to pay him?

I did ask you a question earlier that went ignored. How much do you think Kyrie deserves as a free agent? Do you think no other team would pay him what he signed for?

I do think no other team would pay him the amount he just got for the extension.

He's injured right now and will take time to rehab. Plus he's 33 years old. Rebuilding teams wont' be interested and good teams don't have cap space. Maybe a sign and trade, but who would do that for a player who might be out all season?

[Dan Z]

it is believe that Irving will earn 36.7M / 39.7M / 42.6M in the coming 3 years, and immediately Irving earn 7M less now, that allow Mavs to go under 2nd apron and also have the 5.7M tax-payer MLE to sign a short term PG in replace now. It is a win-win game

I get why they both agreed to it, but I'm not going to call it a pay cut.

Where else would he go? Who else was going to pay him?

If he is unhappy, he can simply opt in 43M this year, and using injury as excuse to play very little to rest and then go to FA market next year. Next year, there will be tons of team having cap space, and some teams such as LAL/MIA/HOU/DET/LAC/MIA may all be interested.

All those teams have cap space and would be interested in a 33 year old (34 when they sign him) player coming off a major injury?

[mfletcher4177]

I get why they both agreed to it, but I'm not going to call it a pay cut.

Where else would he go? Who else was going to pay him?

I did ask you a question earlier that went ignored. How much do you think Kyrie deserves as a free agent? Do you think no other team would pay him what he signed for?

I do think no other team would pay him the amount he just got for the extension.

He's injured right now and will take time to rehab. Plus he's 33 years old. Rebuilding teams wont' be interested and good teams don't have cap space. Maybe a sign and trade, but who would do that for a player who might be out all season?

I will ask you again...

What is a fair contract for Kyrie? Please give me a number/contract.

[Dan Z]

it is believe that Irving will earn 36.7M / 39.7M / 42.6M in the coming 3 years, and immediately Irving earn 7M less now, that allow Mavs to go under 2nd apron and also have the 5.7M tax-payer MLE to sign a short term PG in replace now. It is a win-win game

I get why they both agreed to it, but I'm not going to call it a pay cut.

Where else would he go? Who else was going to pay him?

How often do NBA teams do this to players like Irving? Like really low ball them? It happened to Harden, but who else? Would you as a free agent sign with a team that consintly screwed players?

Most teams don't let the market decide. They just re-sign the player. If teams let the market decide, or negotiated more, I don't think players would stay away as much as you think. There are only 30 teams in the NBA and players want to get paid. I also don't think a team that let the market decide would do that constantly.

In Kyrie's situation I bet the Mavs came to him and offered to sign him for X amount so they could get under the apron. Kyrie probably discussed it with his agent and said yes. I doubt they negotiated very much.

I also don't imagine that Kyrie had some big demand for them going into it or that he sacrificed anything by taking this deal.

Of course, I wasn't there so that's just a guess.

[Dan Z]

I did ask you a question earlier that went ignored. How much do you think Kyrie deserves as a free agent? Do you think no other team would pay him what he signed for?

I do think no other team would pay him the amount he just got for the extension.

He's injured right now and will take time to rehab. Plus he's 33 years old. Rebuilding teams wont' be interested and good teams don't have cap space. Maybe a sign and trade, but who would do that for a player who might be out all season?

I will ask you again...

What is a fair contract for Kyrie? Please give me a number/contract.

Why do I have to give you a number? I'm not a GM or a cap expert.

I've said before that I wouldn't give him this extension, but I understand why the Mavs did so. That's not enough for you?

EDIT: I'll add that I would've offered him a two year extension or maybe a three year deal with the third year being a team option. That's it. If he didn't like that, and decided to opt into his 43 million deal, then that's okay to. I'd be fine with that. I don't see him as someone who would leave after a year of rehabbing for 43 million dollars.

[mfletcher4177]

I do think no other team would pay him the amount he just got for the extension.

He's injured right now and will take time to rehab. Plus he's 33 years old. Rebuilding teams wont' be interested and good teams don't have cap space. Maybe a sign and trade, but who would do that for a player who might be out all season?

I will ask you again...

What is a fair contract for Kyrie? Please give me a number/contract.

Why do I have to give you a number? I'm not a GM or a cap expert.

I've said before that I wouldn't give him this extension, but I understand why the Mavs did so. That's not enough for you?

EDIT: I'll add that I would've offered him a two year extension or maybe a three year deal with the third year being a team option. That's it. If he didn't like that, and decided to opt into his 43 million deal, then that's okay to. I'd be fine with that. I don't see him as someone who would leave after a year of rehabbing for 43 million dollars.

Fair enough. I get your stance on teams/ownership not caving to sign players to big deals.

Kyrie before injury was playing some of his best ball in Dallas. I am personally glad that he is back with Mavericks. We will see how some of these other FA contracts work out. I believe Kyrie is on a very team friendly deal. When people start getting paid more than Kyrie this offseason, we will have to come back to our convo lol.

[Dan Z]

I will ask you again...

What is a fair contract for Kyrie? Please give me a number/contract.

Why do I have to give you a number? I'm not a GM or a cap expert.

I've said before that I wouldn't give him this extension, but I understand why the Mavs did so. That's not enough for you?

EDIT: I'll add that I would've offered him a two year extension or maybe a three year deal with the third year being a team option. That's it. If he didn't like that, and decided to opt into his 43 million deal, then that's okay to. I'd be fine with that. I don't see him as someone who would leave after a year of rehabbing for 43 million dollars.

Fair enough. I get your stance on teams/ownership not caving to sign players to big deals.

Kyrie before injury was playing some of his best ball in Dallas. I am personally glad that he is back with Mavericks. We will see how some of these other FA contracts work out. I believe Kyrie is on a very team friendly deal. When people start getting paid more than Kyrie this offseason, we will have to come back to our convo lol.

The deal makes sense for both sides, especially when you know that AD is staying in Dallas too.

But I wouldn't call it taking a pay cut because of the things I previously mentioned (Kyries age and injury).

[JujitsuFlip]

Good for him getting paid 1 more time.

[druggas]

Dallas counting on injury riddled players, and extending them is like playing Russian roulette. It won't end well.

[dirkdiggler4177]

Why do I have to give you a number? I'm not a GM or a cap expert.

I've said before that I wouldn't give him this extension, but I understand why the Mavs did so. That's not enough for you?

EDIT: I'll add that I would've offered him a two year extension or maybe a three year deal with the third year being a team option. That's it. If he didn't like that, and decided to opt into his 43 million deal, then that's okay to. I'd be fine with that. I don't see him as someone who would leave after a year of rehabbing for 43 million dollars.

Fair enough. I get your stance on teams/ownership not caving to sign players to big deals.

Kyrie before injury was playing some of his best ball in Dallas. I am personally glad that he is back with Mavericks. We will see how some of these other FA contracts work out. I believe Kyrie is on a very team friendly deal. When people start getting paid more than Kyrie this offseason, we will have to come back to our convo lol.

The deal makes sense for both sides, especially when you know that AD is staying in Dallas too.

But I wouldn't call it taking a pay cut because of the things I previously mentioned (Kyries age and injury).

Well, it is literally a pay cut when you decrease your yearly salary (even if it does not feel like that)

[Dan Z]

Fair enough. I get your stance on teams/ownership not caving to sign players to big deals.

Kyrie before injury was playing some of his best ball in Dallas. I am personally glad that he is back with Mavericks. We will see how some of these other FA contracts work out. I believe Kyrie is on a very team friendly deal. When people start getting paid more than Kyrie this offseason, we will have to come back to our convo lol.

The deal makes sense for both sides, especially when you know that AD is staying in Dallas too.

But I wouldn't call it taking a pay cut because of the things I previously mentioned (Kyries age and injury).

Well, it is literally a pay cut when you decrease your yearly salary (even if it does not feel like that)

It's a new contract. Kyrie wasn't going to get 43 million or more per year on a new deal. What he got is what made sense for both Kyrie and the team.

If he tested the market nobody was going to give him the number he got from the Mavs (due to his age and injury).

That's not taking a pay cut. You make it sound like he's sacrificing something. He's not.