2025 Draft prospects - thread 3

Almost Retired · Post #921 » by **Almost Retired** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:44 pm

kulaz3000 wrote:Call the Nets and trade down for two picks in the first round. I think we can get just as much of an impact player further down in the teens and 20's than we can at 12.

Obviously it depends on the players the Bulls are targeting, and they make feel it's too much of a risk to lose out on these players, however, I think the quality of players across most of the first round is rather flat, in terms of difference in quality.

I've been suggesting the same thing for a while now. Our #12 and #45 for Brooklyn's #19 and #26. Take Fleming at 19 and hopefully Kalkbrenner is available at 26. If not then add Walter Clayton Jr and develop him as a point guard who can get on hot shooting streaks. Clayton could be our Jalen Brunson in 2 or 3 years.

Indomitable · Post #922 » by **Indomitable** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:47 pm

kulaz3000 wrote:
Chi town wrote:No matter who we draft…

WE STILL HAVE BUZ!!!

Kid is going to be our cornerstone. Hope we get someone to go with him.

I'm still not sold on Matas, and I don't think I will be until his third season. He has shown glimpses, but so had Patrick Williams when he was a rookie.

Don't get me wrong, he has all the potential in the world, but it's that season after season improvement that I need to see before I can see a future where he could be the cornerstone of our franchise.

Pat had hype. He never made plays besides hitting wide-open threes.

Almost Retired · Post #923 » by **Almost Retired** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:49 pm

Chi town wrote:No matter who we draft…

WE STILL HAVE BUZ!!!

Kid is going to be our cornerstone. Hope we get someone to go with him.

That's what I am pushing for Fleming. That allows Matas to play the "3" where his length could create mismatches. Fleming is a better shooter at almost 40%. He'd be deadly from the corner 3. With both of those guys in the front court we could develop into a defensive nightmare. They both have length and switch ability. Both can guard multiple positions. And if we have. Coby-Giddey back court we'd put a lot of length on the court.

othawhitemeat · Post #924 » by **othawhitemeat** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:20 pm

Our front office is really stupid. I'm not the smartest guy, but I could even do better, which is really bad. I'm a big proponent of any draft prospect has to have extreme work ethic and not be soft. For those reasons and only from a distance, I rule out Queen/Noa (he quit on his team) and Bailey. I also don't think he is a quitter but worry about Wolf's toughness, but the skill is there. I see the skillset also in Demin, but also worry about his toughness too as he beat up on the weaker players but was just so-so in tough games.

Overall, from what I see in terms of grinders, I see KJ, CMB, NIque Clifford, Clayton Jr., and Coward having those from a distance that are realistic at pick 12. I see other players that seem to have something to offer in terms of Sorber, Newell, Saraf, and talent in Beringer.

Just my random thoughts - I'm sure AKME will focus on some player like Queen (he is talented) but overlook his defensive weaknesses and does he want it?

Post #925 » by **DuckIII** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:29 pm

othawhitemeat wrote:Our front office is really stupid. I'm not the smartest guy, but I could even do better, which is really bad. I'm a big proponent of any draft prospect has to have extreme work ethic and not be soft. For those reasons and only from a distance, I rule out Queen/Noa (he quit on his team) and Bailey.

This narrative with Essengue is a joke and if we draft him I'm going HAM on the idea he's soft because he wants to fulfill a lifelong dream with a singular, unforgettable experience by attending the NBA draft. This notion needs to die a swift death.

Post #926 » by **DuckIII** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:31 pm

ESPN has Saraf in the second round now. This draft is going to be bonkers.

Chi town · Post #927 » by **Chi town** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:32 pm

DuckIII wrote:
othawhitemeat wrote:Our front office is really stupid. I'm not the smartest guy, but I could even do better, which is really bad. I'm a big proponent of any draft prospect has to have extreme work ethic and not be soft. For those reasons and only from a distance, I rule out Queen/Noa (he quit on his team) and Bailey.

This narrative with Essengue is a joke and if we draft him I'm going HAM on the idea he's soft because he wants to fulfill a lifelong dream with a singular, unforgettable experience by attending the NBA draft. This notion needs to die a swift death.

Noa is a high motor competitor. Doesn’t back down from anyone. Much like Buz.

Chi town · Post #928 » by **Chi town** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:33 pm

DuckIII wrote:ESPN has Saraf in the second round now. This draft is going to be bonkers.

Exactly why AK needs to trade that POR pick.

Get a 20s pick and select Saraf, Kalkbrenner, or Drake.

nomorezorro · Post #929 » by **nomorezorro** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:50 pm

final yes/meh/no board @ 12. players on each tier are in order

congrats to the cmb truthers for swaying me from my initial strong revulsion to the idea of him as a prospect

othawhitemeat · Post #930 » by **othawhitemeat** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:51 pm

DuckIII wrote:
othawhitemeat wrote:Our front office is really stupid. I'm not the smartest guy, but I could even do better, which is really bad. I'm a big proponent of any draft prospect has to have extreme work ethic and not be soft. For those reasons and only from a distance, I rule out Queen/Noa (he quit on his team) and Bailey.

This narrative with Essengue is a joke and if we draft him I'm going HAM on the idea he's soft because he wants to fulfill a lifelong dream with a singular, unforgettable experience by attending the NBA draft. This notion needs to die a swift death.

Quitting before championship game looks bad man. Might just be an isolated thing as I wanted him until that, but it looks really bad. JMO, but it could have been communicated more upfront.

sco · Post #931 » by **sco** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:51 pm

I don't hate the JK idea, but unless he sucks, it would spell the end of either Coby or Giddey, but if he's good enough to unseat one of them, I guess it is fine.

Post #932 » by **DuckIII** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:59 pm

Chi town wrote:
DuckIII wrote:ESPN has Saraf in the second round now. This draft is going to be bonkers.

Exactly why AK needs to trade that POR pick.

Get a 20s pick and select Saraf, Kalkbrenner, or Drake.

Or Riley, or Fleming, or Newell, or Wolf, or about 6 other really intriguing dudes who could be there.

boozapalooza · Post #933 » by **boozapalooza** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:01 pm

If anyone else is a gambler, I think the value on CMB taken at pick 12 at +650 is too good to pass up given all of the indications from KC/Cowley that hes our lead target. Think PHX will pass at 10 given they drafted a defense first guy last year in Ryan Dunn. Feel good about him being on the board for us, though I’d prefer KJ.

Post #934 » by **DuckIII** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:04 pm

othawhitemeat wrote:
DuckIII wrote:
othawhitemeat wrote:Our front office is really stupid. I'm not the smartest guy, but I could even do better, which is really bad. I'm a big proponent of any draft prospect has to have extreme work ethic and not be soft. For those reasons and only from a distance, I rule out Queen/Noa (he quit on his team) and Bailey.

This narrative with Essengue is a joke and if we draft him I'm going HAM on the idea he's soft because he wants to fulfill a lifelong dream with a singular, unforgettable experience by attending the NBA draft. This notion needs to die a swift death.

Quitting before championship game looks bad man. Might just be an isolated thing as I wanted him until that, but it looks really bad. JMO, but it could have been communicated more upfront.

An 18 year old who worked tirelessly to reach the NBA, deciding to attend the NBA draft in person does not "look bad." It looks like a person making a perfectly reasonable decision for himself in a highly unique, once in a lifetime scenario.

Get back to me with reports about him dogging it in practice or refusing to run back on D.

NecessaryEvil · Post #935 » by **NecessaryEvil** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:04 pm

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Post #936 » by **DuckIII** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:10 pm

sco wrote:I don't hate the JK idea, but unless he sucks, it would spell the end of either Coby or Giddey, but if he's good enough to unseat one of them, I guess it is fine.

Not really. He's a three position player. Plenty of room at PG, SG and SF for KJ to get lots of minutes along with everyone else. Among guards and wings he's arguably the least likely to create logjams.

But lets also assume it is true. It doesn't matter. He's more talented than Coby and we'd still have Ayo. So trade Coby for more assets while also getting the better player.

jnrjr79 · Post #937 » by **jnrjr79** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:28 pm

DuckIII wrote:
othawhitemeat wrote:
DuckIII wrote:
This narrative with Essengue is a joke and if we draft him I'm going HAM on the idea he's soft because he wants to fulfill a lifelong dream with a singular, unforgettable experience by attending the NBA draft. This notion needs to die a swift death.

Quitting before championship game looks bad man. Might just be an isolated thing as I wanted him until that, but it looks really bad. JMO, but it could have been communicated more upfront.

An 18 year old who worked tirelessly to reach the NBA, deciding to attend the NBA draft in person does not "look bad." It looks like a person making a perfectly reasonable decision for himself in a highly unique, once in a lifetime scenario.

Get back to me with reports about him dogging it in practice or refusing to run back on D.

I don't know. Abandoning your teammates when you are in the middle of the finals so. you can be in the green room and shake Adam Silver's hand seems a little off to me.

MrSparkle · Post #938 » by **MrSparkle** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:29 pm

Going on Y5, it’s a recurring theme AK doesn’t like to work too hard on draft night. I get the sense we’re gonna quietly take the consensus 12 (looking like CMB), pick up some defensive wing (with a broken jumpshot) that no one’s heard of at 45, and call it a day.

Feel like the juicy Bulls rumors rarely have any actual traction.

Pat’s trade value sucks harder than anybody’s
Coby’s not getting traded
Giddey’s getting paid
Dumping Vuc isn’t even beneficial anymore

The March Bulls were “so damn good” that continuity is warranted.

Pre-emptively disappointed! :peace:

kodo · Post #939 » by **kodo** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:32 pm

Draft day mocks, with next few players still on their board:

ESPN: CMB
(Demin, Beringer, Queen)

The Ringer: Kasparas
(Beringer, Sorber, CMB)

Yahoo/KOC: Queen
(Beringer, Sorber, Coward)

NBAdraft.net: Kasparas
(Noa, Coward, Beringer)

SI: Newell
(Carter, Bryant, Sorber)

Sporting News: Queen
(Demin, Bryant, Sorber)

Post #940 » by **DuckIII** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:33 pm

jnrjr79 wrote:
DuckIII wrote:
othawhitemeat wrote:
Quitting before championship game looks bad man. Might just be an isolated thing as I wanted him until that, but it looks really bad. JMO, but it could have been communicated more upfront.

An 18 year old who worked tirelessly to reach the NBA, deciding to attend the NBA draft in person does not "look bad." It looks like a person making a perfectly reasonable decision for himself in a highly unique, once in a lifetime scenario.

Get back to me with reports about him dogging it in practice or refusing to run back on D.

I don't know. Abandoning your teammates when you are in the middle of the finals so. you can be in the green room and shake Adam Silver's hand seems a little off to me.

Not me, and there's a big difference between "a little off" and deciding he's so soft you remove him completely from your draft board. What he is doing is no different than quitting your job for a better one. Well, its actually much different. Because you also get to fulfill a singular lifelong dream of attending the draft. Its not a surprise that I have heard zero reports that NBA teams consider this a negative.