Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Jon Horst the Wizard

neiLz · Post #41 » by **neiLz** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:46 pm

I wish the bucks could just handle their cap issues by popping in NBA 2k and turning off trade vetoes and turning their trash into something ala the big markets like the celtics.

Frank Nova · Post #42 » by **Frank Nova** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:53 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:On Bart Winkler’s pod they were breaking down how many current Bucks wouldve gotten regular minutes on Indy and OKC in the finals. The consensus was Giannis. That’s really sad and should drive home how bad we need a rebuild.

Conversely, you could make the case for several spot minutes guys on either side being a 20 minute+ guy for Milwaukee.

I don’t think it’s nearly that black and white. You can make a case that Siakim was the only big in the series better than Bobby Portis. Chet is overrated, Hartenstien is limited and Turner is wildly inconsistent. You can also make a case that Gary Trent Jr, AJ Green and Kevin Porter Jr are all above the likes of Ben Sheppard, Aaron Wiggins and Cason Wallace who all saw meaningful minutes in the series too. To be fair, you can make a case either way and the overall point is still relevant but I think it’s a much deeper dig than just “Giannis and nothing else”.

raferfenix · Post #43 » by **raferfenix** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:52 pm

Idk what the Pelicans are doing post-Poole but Herb Jones fortifying our perimeter defense seems cool.

“Is there a player you’re hearing floated around—a name that’s surprised you—as we’re now 24 hours away from the draft? Chris Mannix: “New Orleans is very much open for business. Not particularly Zion, but they’re a team determined to shake things up. Could Herb Jones be available? That’s a small name, but I think that’s something interesting.”

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Ron Swanson · Post #44 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:12 pm

I'll be stunned if we make a significant trade (buying an early 2nd round pick doesn't count). Horst has never had any sort of foresight or long-term vision even when we had tradeable assets to burn, so I'm not holding my breath that his grand offseason plan extends beyond using salary exceptions/bird rights to re-sign some of our own guys and grabbing a couple vet minimums that get priced out in free agency.

Herb would be awesome, but I can't imagine the Pelicans have any interest in engaging with us when they still hold our 2027 1st. Maybe now that they appear to be committing to a rebuild, you can convince them on Herb + Alvarado + our 2026 swap rights extinguished for the 2031 unprotected 1st and filler (Pat + seconds)?

EasyE31 · Post #45 » by **EasyE31** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:18 pm

Sounds like Toronto is at least considering trading RJ Barrett. He's still only 24 and seems like he's come into his own in Toronto the last two years.

Kuzma and the 31 1st for Barrett.

Then trade Pat, 47, and 2031 2nd to Boston for Hauser.

Trent on the MLE, KPJ on the BAE, resign Sims, resign Rollins, extend Green, extend Bobby.

KPJ / Rollins / Dame
Trent / Green
Barrett / Hauser
Giannis / Smith
Bobby / Sims

Need to add a vet at point guard and another back up big but I think this is a pretty solid group.

fansinceforever · Post #46 » by **fansinceforever** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:23 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:On Bart Winkler’s pod they were breaking down how many current Bucks wouldve gotten regular minutes on Indy and OKC in the finals. The consensus was Giannis. That’s really sad and should drive home how bad we need a rebuild.

Conversely, you could make the case for several spot minutes guys on either side being a 20 minute+ guy for Milwaukee.

Every guy that played consistent minutes for them in the playoffs would probably start for us.

BUCKnation · Post #47 » by **BUCKnation** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:29 pm

Frank Nova wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:On Bart Winkler’s pod they were breaking down how many current Bucks wouldve gotten regular minutes on Indy and OKC in the finals. The consensus was Giannis. That’s really sad and should drive home how bad we need a rebuild.

Conversely, you could make the case for several spot minutes guys on either side being a 20 minute+ guy for Milwaukee.

I don’t think it’s nearly that black and white. You can make a case that Siakim was the only big in the series better than Bobby Portis. Chet is overrated, Hartenstien is limited and Turner is wildly inconsistent. You can also make a case that Gary Trent Jr, AJ Green and Kevin Porter Jr are all above the likes of Ben Sheppard, Aaron Wiggins and Cason Wallace who all saw meaningful minutes in the series too. To be fair, you can make a case either way and the overall point is still relevant but I think it’s a much deeper dig than just “Giannis and nothing else”.

Goggle Gary almost put up 40 on them twice, while OKC couldn't buy an open made 3. Everyone from the 5 that started game 5 gets solid minutes.

Brewhoopfan · Post #48 » by **Brewhoopfan** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:29 pm

Frank Nova wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:On Bart Winkler’s pod they were breaking down how many current Bucks wouldve gotten regular minutes on Indy and OKC in the finals. The consensus was Giannis. That’s really sad and should drive home how bad we need a rebuild.

Conversely, you could make the case for several spot minutes guys on either side being a 20 minute+ guy for Milwaukee.

I don’t think it’s nearly that black and white. You can make a case that Siakim was the only big in the series better than Bobby Portis. Chet is overrated, Hartenstien is limited and Turner is wildly inconsistent. You can also make a case that Gary Trent Jr, AJ Green and Kevin Porter Jr are all above the likes of Ben Sheppard, Aaron Wiggins and Cason Wallace who all saw meaningful minutes in the series too. To be fair, you can make a case either way and the overall point is still relevant but I think it’s a much deeper dig than just “Giannis and nothing else”.

I am a huge Bobby Portis fan, but he's not playing ahead of any of those bigs in that series. To be fair, style of play matters in that I don't think he's capable of playing at the Pacers offensive pace, nor is he a fit in OKC's aggressive defense. Trent Jr is as much of a plodder at the guard spot as Bobby is at forward. I can squint and see AJ Green contributing off the bench like Sheppard. Maybe KPJ gets spot minutes for the Pacers after the Haliburton injury? I would agree that the Bucks role players aren't light years behind, but without a great 2-3 player core, the role players are asked to do to much. Then you're in trouble.

Ron Swanson · Post #49 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:35 pm

I don't doubt that guys like Wiggins and Joe would (maybe, probably) start for us but that also doesn't mean we need to overvalue those guys. It's similar to the Tari Eason stuff where we just can't afford to dump every last asset we have into a, albeit very good, 3&D role-player type. Good organizations are able to develop and cycle through these kinds of dudes every 3-4 years with marginal assets (mid-late firsts, late 2nd's, two-ways/UDFA's). We really need to break the cycle of always wanting to pay a premium for those types of players.

fansinceforever · Post #50 » by **fansinceforever** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:35 pm

Are Gary, Bobby and KPJ current Bucks? There's a decent possibility of losing each one of them. I wouldn't be surprised if only one guy out of that group is back.

Badgerlander · Post #51 » by **Badgerlander** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:45 pm

Zero interest in RJ Barrett

Badgerlander · Post #52 » by **Badgerlander** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:51 pm

I love Bobby and I’m fine keeping him if he opts in but his next contract is going to be Pat level untradeable as early as next summer

pifhluk23 · Post #53 » by **pifhluk23** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:55 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I'll be stunned if we make a significant trade (buying an early 2nd round pick doesn't count). Horst has never had any sort of foresight or long-term vision even when we had tradeable assets to burn, so I'm not holding my breath that his grand offseason plan extends beyond using salary exceptions/bird rights to re-sign some of our own guys and grabbing a couple vet minimums that get priced out in free agency.

This is depressingly true :banghead:

Celtics make plans and execute, we just sit around doing nothing waiting for leftovers.

Wonka · Post #54 » by **Wonka** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:00 pm

pifhluk23 wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:I'll be stunned if we make a significant trade (buying an early 2nd round pick doesn't count). Horst has never had any sort of foresight or long-term vision even when we had tradeable assets to burn, so I'm not holding my breath that his grand offseason plan extends beyond using salary exceptions/bird rights to re-sign some of our own guys and grabbing a couple vet minimums that get priced out in free agency.

This is depressingly true

Celtics make plans and execute, we just sit around doing nothing waiting for leftovers.

Horst winning that one executive of the year award killed us. I don't know who people think this guy is organizationally, but he is way over his head in terms of his ego/stubbornness, and hasn't shown any ability to surround Giannis with modern, skilled young players.

soxperry · Post #55 » by **soxperry** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:09 pm

pifhluk23 wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:I'll be stunned if we make a significant trade (buying an early 2nd round pick doesn't count). Horst has never had any sort of foresight or long-term vision even when we had tradeable assets to burn, so I'm not holding my breath that his grand offseason plan extends beyond using salary exceptions/bird rights to re-sign some of our own guys and grabbing a couple vet minimums that get priced out in free agency.

This is depressingly true

Celtics make plans and execute, we just sit around doing nothing waiting for leftovers.

Lol

We are one if like 20+ other teams who also haven't done anything yet. It will come.

Bernman · Post #56 » by **Bernman** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:29 pm

There is a point to be made about Indy's & OKC's depth/supporting cast vs. ours. That said, ours is partially built around Giannis' strengths. So we sacrifice in other areas. We were the top 3 pt shooting team in the league. It has utility here, & would to lesser degree there.

Applying it to our strategy at this upcoming draft, we always have to worry if a guy can shoot efficiently from the outset. Adou Thiero is an awesome player outside that dept, but could we be the team who takes him if we moved up in the 30's? For us it's more about team dynamic than others.

Post #57 » by **paulpressey25** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:29 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I'll be stunned if we make a significant trade (buying an early 2nd round pick doesn't count). Horst has never had any sort of foresight or long-term vision even when we had tradeable assets to burn, so I'm not holding my breath that his grand offseason plan extends beyond using salary exceptions/bird rights to re-sign some of our own guys and grabbing a couple vet minimums that get priced out in free agency.

Agree with this. We'll re-sign Trent and Porter. And maybe, just maybe do a sign and trade of either Brook or Bobby that will net us a couple future 2nds and maybe Looney or the like.

EasyE31 · Post #58 » by **EasyE31** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 4:28 pm

With FVV taking a reduced salary this year the Rockets are now below the 1st apron and can spend the full MLE and are able to take in players on sign and trades. Could be an interesting landing spot for Brook given their previous interest...

pifhluk23 · Post #59 » by **pifhluk23** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 4:38 pm

Lopez S&T for Hauser makes sense for both teams. They desperately need a big and Lopez can be a 1 or 2 year stop gap while they get off Hauser's 4 year deal.

BUCKnation · Post #60 » by **BUCKnation** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 4:39 pm

EasyE31 wrote:With FVV taking a reduced salary this year the Rockets are now below the 1st apron and can spend the full MLE and are able to take in players on sign and trades. Could be an interesting landing spot for Brook given their previous interest...

With Adams locked up and Sengun, I don't think so.