The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3

[Sunsdeuce]

Vegas Odds on who will land Beal

Wizards +250
Bucks +350
GS +350

[dremill24]

IF (big if) there is a pigeon to target in a Beal deal, I'm thinking it could be Chicago. These guys live in the middle and just keep making moves that are floor-raising, ceiling-lowering deals that nobody likes and even extended the contracts of their top decision makers, indicating they're relatively happy with it. White/Beal/Giddey at the 1-3 is like...exactly the type of competent-but-nothing-special backcourt that tracks with their habits, especially if Beal can be had for cheap. If they're just giving up mostly dead salary and getting a bit of draft capital they might be into it. But maybe they have 2026 cap aspirations, Beal would hinder that quite a bit.

Pat Williams likely has to come back, which sucks but at least he's not 6'5".

If we don't wanna get too crazy giving up draft capital, maybe moving back from #10 to #12 is of interest to them, while throwing in a few seconds and maybe have to throw in the '29 1st we own (shouldn't be a great pick). Maybe they'll throw in #45 to help us move up from #29 later.

Throwing in that late pick is also more palatable if you can get someone who kinda helps you on the court in the short term, there are options for how to fill out the requisite outgoing salary from Chicago. Maybe Lonzo is the piece that does it? I don't love that he's probably a 50-game, 20mpg player at this point, but if you're looking for some competence at PG, he can give you that for half a season. I'm also an Ayo Dosunmu fan, who could be inserted instead, but he's less appealing if we're keeping Green around. I don't hate his fit with Booker if Green is rerouted though...he's a good POA defender that won't take the ball away from Booker too much but is a passable ball handler. Jalen Smith could fill some backup 5 minutes and Chicago can add salary in a trade where Phoenix could save $7-10mil off the top depending on the package and potentially a big expiring in Collins/Huerter to come off the books next summer (Collins might even play ).

Williams
Ball or Dosunmu
Collins or Huerter or Smith & Carter

F*** Vucevic, we have enough SGs.

I dunno, should probly just suck it up w/ Beal but they seem pretty hell-bent on ditching him. If you did like...Beal, 10, '29 pick, 2 2nds for Williams, Ball, Collins, 12, 45 it might not be horrible?

[dremill24]

He's a big stretch at #10. I have not seen anyone mock him to go higher than #19 and most I've seen is in the late 20's or early 2nd.

The Suns do have a history of reaching for dudes at 10 so I wouldn't rule it out


Maybe a trade back guy, IDK I just like his profile more than like half the dudes mocked ahead of him.

There's really only one guy I have my eye on who I really would consider trying to move up for and that's Kasparas Jakucionis. But there's a decent chance he's gone by #8 or #9 since I think Toronto could use another playmaker. But if he's gone, then yeah I'd be open to moving back and grabbing Sorber and move up from #29 to get Fleming. It's two bigs but they do quite different stuff on the court and I love the prospect of having 2 dudes with like 7'5 wingspans

I like Fleming. Looks like an active defender who can finish at the rim and from 3 with great size. Just don't ask him to dribble

Getting him at 29 (or somewhere in the 20s if you can move around) is something I'd be very cool with.

[Sunsdeuce]

A week ago the team was pounding its chest that Booker is best used as purely as a shooting guard. Now they changed their mind?

Still feels like this team is directionless.

Exactly. Now I get the Durant trade as it was probably the best offer and Green had the biggest upside. But they need to start having a vision for the team. And I hope Ishbia doesn't think he needs to cash in a lot of chips this offseason just to possibly compete for the 11th /10th seed.

The Pacers and thunders showed - that it is a process. Just keep getting good players and use trades, get more picks to keep building player by player

I still think Ishbia is going to use a lot of draft capital today to trade up for a "player" and trade future draft capital to offload Beal and its just a hodgepodge of activity over an actual plan

As for Point Book - don't do it. I get with Green they will to a degree but his best position is SG so don't weaken that position

Green is a north south player. He doesn’t have moves to go east west to get to north south. Green is a B line player. Neither Book nor Green are suited for the PG role. The trade was dog poo but Ishbia is terrible and has surrounded himself with inexperienced front office people. So this is the end result of his first KD mistake. He compounded it.

But I wouldn’t have cared about the trade if there seemed to be a method to the madness. Only player in the trade that made sense was Dillion Brooks because he brings an attitude this team desperately needs.

[Fo-Real]

You are nuts if you think point Book is returning… and double nuts if you think point Green is an option

Point Green is coming for sure.

I actually like point green! He is like a Westbrook

Let’s grab Westbrook as well

Yes the first part and I don't know about the second.

[Rebound Mound]

With Porzingis gone, I believe also gone are a good percentage of my hope in assembling a good roster.
Some piece of news during the last days mentioned that we were the team that more inquired about his availability and health.
And he is gone just like that and we seem to have nothing to do or offer to the Celtics.

[BobbieL]

A week ago the team was pounding its chest that Booker is best used as purely as a shooting guard. Now they changed their mind?

Still feels like this team is directionless.

Exactly. Now I get the Durant trade as it was probably the best offer and Green had the biggest upside. But they need to start having a vision for the team. And I hope Ishbia doesn't think he needs to cash in a lot of chips this offseason just to possibly compete for the 11th /10th seed.

The Pacers and thunders showed - that it is a process. Just keep getting good players and use trades, get more picks to keep building player by player

I still think Ishbia is going to use a lot of draft capital today to trade up for a "player" and trade future draft capital to offload Beal and its just a hodgepodge of activity over an actual plan

As for Point Book - don't do it. I get with Green they will to a degree but his best position is SG so don't weaken that position

Green is a north south player. He doesn’t have moves to go east west to get to north south. Green is a B line player. Neither Book nor Green are suited for the PG role. The trade was dog poo but Ishbia is terrible and has surrounded himself with inexperienced front office people. So this is the end result of his first KD mistake. He compounded it.

But I wouldn’t have cared about the trade if there seemed to be a method to the madness. Only player in the trade that made sense was Dillion Brooks because he brings an attitude this team desperately needs.

Brooks does make sense
And I won't have a problem trading Green as long as it makes sense and the team gets good value. And Nic Claxton might fill a need a Center but is that good value for Jalen Green - I am not sure

I know this -- I would prefer Ishbia move on from Beal, O'Neale and Allen before moving on from Green - just see what he brings to the team and court

[Sunsdeuce]

Exactly. Now I get the Durant trade as it was probably the best offer and Green had the biggest upside. But they need to start having a vision for the team. And I hope Ishbia doesn't think he needs to cash in a lot of chips this offseason just to possibly compete for the 11th /10th seed.

The Pacers and thunders showed - that it is a process. Just keep getting good players and use trades, get more picks to keep building player by player

I still think Ishbia is going to use a lot of draft capital today to trade up for a "player" and trade future draft capital to offload Beal and its just a hodgepodge of activity over an actual plan

As for Point Book - don't do it. I get with Green they will to a degree but his best position is SG so don't weaken that position

Green is a north south player. He doesn’t have moves to go east west to get to north south. Green is a B line player. Neither Book nor Green are suited for the PG role. The trade was dog poo but Ishbia is terrible and has surrounded himself with inexperienced front office people. So this is the end result of his first KD mistake. He compounded it.

But I wouldn’t have cared about the trade if there seemed to be a method to the madness. Only player in the trade that made sense was Dillion Brooks because he brings an attitude this team desperately needs.

Brooks does make sense
And I won't have a problem trading Green as long as it makes sense and the team gets good value. And Nic Claxton might fill a need a Center but is that good value for Jalen Green - I am not sure

I know this -- I would prefer Ishbia move on from Beal, O'Neale and Allen before moving on from Green - just see what he brings to the team and court

I think everyone here wants to move on for various reasons. I think I want to move on from Beal so he can be wanted and appreciated and to allow this team to reboot. Same reason I want to trade Booker.

Team needs a full reboot. But Beal control his own future. Unfortunately, Ishbia made his bed when he traded for Beal. Now he has to sleep in it.

[BobbieL]

Green is a north south player. He doesn’t have moves to go east west to get to north south. Green is a B line player. Neither Book nor Green are suited for the PG role. The trade was dog poo but Ishbia is terrible and has surrounded himself with inexperienced front office people. So this is the end result of his first KD mistake. He compounded it.

But I wouldn’t have cared about the trade if there seemed to be a method to the madness. Only player in the trade that made sense was Dillion Brooks because he brings an attitude this team desperately needs.

Brooks does make sense
And I won't have a problem trading Green as long as it makes sense and the team gets good value. And Nic Claxton might fill a need a Center but is that good value for Jalen Green - I am not sure

I know this -- I would prefer Ishbia move on from Beal, O'Neale and Allen before moving on from Green - just see what he brings to the team and court

I think everyone here wants to move on for various reasons. I think I want to move on from Beal so he can be wanted and appreciated and to allow this team to reboot. Same reason I want to trade Booker.

Team needs a full reboot. But Beal control his own future. Unfortunately, Ishbia made his bed when he traded for Beal. Now he has to sleep in it.

I truly don't get the Beal hate. I get he is not the right fit but some Fans just expect him to give up money to help the Suns
Or they are willing to trade him at whatever cost


Or Durant could still be here but that damn Bradley Beal made the Suns trade KD (Durant stans are the worst!)

[Fo-Real]

There are a lot of live body long centers that are slated to go mid to late first early second round. Might be some value to a 7 footer with the right motor and the will to get better (Niederhauser, Raynaud, Kalkbrenner, Yang, Zikarsky). Lots of mobile 7 footers and some can actually shoot. I can see what some of you are talking about Danny Wolf. Skilled, doesn't look like he is 6"11.

[Blonde]

I wonder if the Jaylen Brown sweepstakes is real, and if Beal + picks gets us there (either directly to Boston or to a third team).

[BobbieL]

I wonder if the Jaylen Brown sweepstakes is real, and if Beal + picks gets us there (either directly to Boston or to a third team).

Do you mean the Beal contract as a facilitator to Boston and the Suns get like Markkanen or John Collins as the Suns do not need Jaylen Brown - another SF type next to Booker

I would think Markkanen and Collins straight to the Celtics probably makes more sense for the Celtics over Beal straightaway

You could be right if Stevens doesn't want the long term contract of Markkanen though

I still think if Beal is traded it will be to the Bucks - but that doesn't save Ishbia any money or to the Bulls
Vucevic, Smith or Carter and PWILL plus picks (multiple FRPs so if the Suns trade back today - if Beal is amenable

[Saberestar]

I wonder if the Jaylen Brown sweepstakes is real, and if Beal + picks gets us there (either directly to Boston or to a third team).

Do you mean the Beal contract as a facilitator to Boston and the Suns get like Markkanen or John Collins as the Suns do not need Jaylen Brown - another SF type next to Booker

I would think Markkanen and Collins straight to the Celtics probably makes more sense for the Celtics over Beal straightaway

You could be right if Stevens doesn't want the long term contract of Markkanen though

I still think if Beal is traded it will be to the Bucks - but that doesn't save Ishbia any money or to the Bulls
Vucevic, Smith or Carter and PWILL plus picks (multiple FRPs so if the Suns trade back today - if Beal is amenable

Every team needs one Jaylen Brown. The guy is a terrific two-way player in his prime.

We don't have any chance to get him but he would be an amazing acquisition.

[BobbieL]

I wonder if the Jaylen Brown sweepstakes is real, and if Beal + picks gets us there (either directly to Boston or to a third team).

Do you mean the Beal contract as a facilitator to Boston and the Suns get like Markkanen or John Collins as the Suns do not need Jaylen Brown - another SF type next to Booker

I would think Markkanen and Collins straight to the Celtics probably makes more sense for the Celtics over Beal straightaway

You could be right if Stevens doesn't want the long term contract of Markkanen though

I still think if Beal is traded it will be to the Bucks - but that doesn't save Ishbia any money or to the Bulls
Vucevic, Smith or Carter and PWILL plus picks (multiple FRPs so if the Suns trade back today - if Beal is amenable

Every team needs one Jaylen Brown. The guy is a terrific two-way player in his prime.

We don't have any chance to get him but he would be an amazing acquisition.

I looked - not at his contract
He and Booker will be 140m in a couple years
I am not against being a facilitator in a multi team trade

[Sunlight]

It's frustrating to watch the Celtics act professionally compared to the Suns. They trade Brown when it serves the team's needs, while the Suns should have traded Booker last summer. How can a mediocre star be bigger than the organization?

[BobbieL]

It's frustrating to watch the Celtics act professionally compared to the Suns. They trade Brown when it serves the team's needs, while the Suns should have traded Booker last summer. How can a mediocre star be bigger than the organization?

Exactly! Why is Booker wanting to be in Phoenix or him being loyal have anything to do with putting the best team on the court as possibe. Celtics traded Porz, traded Jrue, might trade Brown. Do you think they are asking the player for permission where to trade them? Windy reported they asked Durant about Cleveland but he said No. Are you kidding? Garland and Booker would have been nice

That doesn't mean take a Durant deal - but if there is a good deal out there -- why not listen

Book is happy scoring 27 with a -18 and after the game "you know, we just have to play better. tighten things up" -and life is good

[BobbieL]

Stevens is blowing that team up. Granted, they did lose in the 2nd round this year and without Tatum... but if Stevens can get Collins, Sexton, Clarkson, the 5th pick and other picks for Brown - that is moving on and rebuilding. (Ishbia - take note of what Jaylen Brown will get in a trade you Dipshitbia!!!)

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[TeamTragic]

Stevens is blowing that team up. Granted, they did lose in the 2nd round this year and without Tatum... but if Stevens can get Collins, Sexton, Clarkson, the 5th pick and other picks for Brown - that is moving on and rebuilding. (Ishbia - take not of what Jaylen Brown will get in a trade you Dipshitbia!!!)

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In what world is that **** package enough for Brown?

Either they add Lauri/Kessler or the Celtics hang up and block their number.

[WeekapaugGroove]

There are a lot of live body long centers that are slated to go mid to late first early second round. Might be some value to a 7 footer with the right motor and the will to get better (Niederhauser, Raynaud, Kalkbrenner, Yang, Zikarsky). Lots of mobile 7 footers and some can actually shoot. I can see what some of you are talking about Danny Wolf. Skilled, doesn't look like he is 6"11.

Yeah my biggest take away from my draft research the past couple days is there's a bunch of decent bigs who will go late 1st/early 2nd

[BobbieL]

Stevens is blowing that team up. Granted, they did lose in the 2nd round this year and without Tatum... but if Stevens can get Collins, Sexton, Clarkson, the 5th pick and other picks for Brown - that is moving on and rebuilding. (Ishbia - take not of what Jaylen Brown will get in a trade you Dipshitbia!!!)

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In what world is that **** package enough for Brown?

Either they add Lauri/Kessler or the Celtics hang up and block their number.

He is blowing up the team.... he wants to re-set and with Tatum out next year - its the perfect time to do it. And he doesn't want a contract like Markkanen, four years 200m mucking the waters