NBA Trade Thread #12

[kodo]

So Brooklyn should be officially dead to sign Giddey or Kuminga. Media has said for months they're going to use their cap space to absorb a contract for draft assets not sign a FA, and here we are.

Wonder if Chicago ends up with both...

SBnation:

The other aspect of this trade is that now there really aren’t any teams with cap space as Mann takes up a chunk of Brooklyn’s. If your team has a restricted free agent this season, there won’t be much of a market for their services.

[bulletbill]

if Cobys dealt, would it be wise to use the TPE on Grayson? What could the Bulls extract from PHO aside from moving up 2 spots?

[MrSparkle]

if Cobys dealt, would it be wise to use the TPE on Grayson? What could the Bulls extract from PHO aside from moving up 2 spots?

I wouldn't.

[GuardianEnzo]

So Brooklyn should be officially dead to sign Giddey or Kuminga. Media has said for months they're going to use their cap space to absorb a contract for draft assets not sign a FA, and here we are.

Wonder if Chicago ends up with both...

SBnation:

The other aspect of this trade is that now there really aren’t any teams with cap space as Mann takes up a chunk of Brooklyn’s. If your team has a restricted free agent this season, there won’t be much of a market for their services.

The Bulls have to play hardball with Giddey now - he literally has no other options. I suppose he could push for a one-year deal in the hopes of cashing in next summer but that’s probably not going to happen. Make him the lowest offer that isn’t outright insulting.

[kulaz3000]

So Brooklyn should be officially dead to sign Giddey or Kuminga. Media has said for months they're going to use their cap space to absorb a contract for draft assets not sign a FA, and here we are.

Wonder if Chicago ends up with both...

SBnation:

The other aspect of this trade is that now there really aren’t any teams with cap space as Mann takes up a chunk of Brooklyn’s. If your team has a restricted free agent this season, there won’t be much of a market for their services.

The Bulls have to play hardball with Giddey now - he literally has no other options. I suppose he could push for a one-year deal in the hopes of cashing in next summer but that’s probably not going to happen. Make him the lowest offer that isn’t outright insulting.

At bare minimum, it will need to be a 25 million per contract, and he is likely wanting around 30. If they settle at around 27 per season, I think everyone should be happy.

[Chi town]

Bulls win with BKN having no cap space and POR trading for here to win.

Helps with Giddey deal and trading POR pick

[GuardianEnzo]

So Brooklyn should be officially dead to sign Giddey or Kuminga. Media has said for months they're going to use their cap space to absorb a contract for draft assets not sign a FA, and here we are.

Wonder if Chicago ends up with both...

SBnation:

The Bulls have to play hardball with Giddey now - he literally has no other options. I suppose he could push for a one-year deal in the hopes of cashing in next summer but that’s probably not going to happen. Make him the lowest offer that isn’t outright insulting.

At bare minimum, it will need to be a 25 million per contract, and he is likely wanting around 30. If they settle at around 27 per season, I think everyone should be happy.

I’m not saying $27 isn’t about right, in a vacuum. But what incentive do the Bulls have to do that? What’s their competition, and what’s Giddey’s Plan B?

[kulaz3000]

The Bulls have to play hardball with Giddey now - he literally has no other options. I suppose he could push for a one-year deal in the hopes of cashing in next summer but that’s probably not going to happen. Make him the lowest offer that isn’t outright insulting.

At bare minimum, it will need to be a 25 million per contract, and he is likely wanting around 30. If they settle at around 27 per season, I think everyone should be happy.

I’m not saying $27 isn’t about right, in a vacuum. But what incentive do the Bulls have to do that? What’s their competition, and what’s Giddey’s Plan B?

I'm all for going after a discount, but this is a business, and you want to ensure that your player who you traded for, and clearly values, feels that way. You don't want to approach a negotiation like, Hey, Nets don't have the cap space, so it's us or no one else, so you take this offer or go on a one year deal.

The other option is, he declines whatever low offer, he signs a one year extension, and then decides to leave the following season and the Bulls are left with nothing. It is a balancing act you need to consider, what's fair for the team, what's fair for the player, and how can both sides come away happy.

If people are thinking that they can sign him to a long term 20 million per contract is absolutely dreaming, it's just not going to happen, with or without multiple teams with cap space.

[kodo]

I’m not saying $27 isn’t about right, in a vacuum. But what incentive do the Bulls have to do that? What’s their competition, and what’s Giddey’s Plan B?

His plan B is to take a 1 year MLE ($14M) from any team that's under tax, throw up big #s like he did with Chicago, and hit FA next season for $35M+ long term. If he averaged his post ASG Bulls #s, 21 / 11 / 9 with 45% 3P shooting, all season for another team that's a max contract as a UFA. TBH even if he averaged a lot less like Scottie Barnes, Barnes was still a max contract. But let's say he doesn't get close to max but still gets $35M per year.

MLE: $14M
2026 free agency: $35M x 4 = 140
The MLE + $35M contract AAV package = $31M AAV.

Brandon Ingram, 22 / 5 / 5 and was so injured he could only play 18 games, got $40M AAV. Giddey can get $35M even doing much worse than he did in Chicago.

If he wanted to bet on himself like all NBA players do, he could refuse anything under $30M and still most likely come out ahead. $30M is just a few million more than what Miles Bridges makes.

I don't think it will come to this, last we heard Giddey was willing to sign in Chicago for $24M, although I'm not sure if that's changed given how incredible his end of season production was.

[tunit213]

How about…

Vuc and Zo for Kuminga
12 and POR 1st for Maluach

Giddey - Coby - Kuminga - Buzelis - Maluach

[sco]

How about…

Vuc and Zo for Kuminga
12 and POR 1st for Maluach

Giddey - Coby - Kuminga - Buzelis - Maluach

I see the appeal but IMO both deals are an overpay. Second, Maluach is a project pick. Best case 1 year until he's starting (unless you're tanking). Third, Kuminga could be good, but man, even with Buzelis and Maluach, our defense will likely be bottom 5 in the league.

[ChiefILL53]

I saw something about ATL creating a 25m trade exception. Is it possible they try to work out a sign and trade with Giddey? Someone who knows the rules explain to me if this is possible.

[boozapalooza]

At bare minimum, it will need to be a 25 million per contract, and he is likely wanting around 30. If they settle at around 27 per season, I think everyone should be happy.

I’m not saying $27 isn’t about right, in a vacuum. But what incentive do the Bulls have to do that? What’s their competition, and what’s Giddey’s Plan B?

I'm all for going after a discount, but this is a business, and you want to ensure that your player who you traded for, and clearly values, feels that way. You don't want to approach a negotiation like, Hey, Nets don't have the cap space, so it's us or no one else, so you take this offer or go on a one year deal.

The other option is, he declines whatever low offer, he signs a one year extension, and then decides to leave the following season and the Bulls are left with nothing. It is a balancing act you need to consider, what's fair for the team, what's fair for the player, and how can both sides come away happy.

If people are thinking that they can sign him to a long term 20 million per contract is absolutely dreaming, it's just not going to happen, with or without multiple teams with cap space.

Agreed. I don’t fault the Bulls if we sign Giddey to what is fair, not try to rip him off. Cowley directly discussed this yesterday - we played hardball with Zach back in the day when he signed the 4/78M TFA deal, and he never regained trust in the FO. The relationship got off on the wrong foot and didn’t recover.

It’s a business, and its not good business to take advantage of the situation heading into a 4/5 year agreement. I’m not saying we should overpay, but yeah, sub 25M/yr for Giddey isn’t happening. He will get 25-30M per year (probably 30M) when its said and done.

[Tetlak]

I saw something about ATL creating a 25m trade exception. Is it possible they try to work out a sign and trade with Giddey? Someone who knows the rules explain to me if this is possible.

Did Trae Young stop playing basketball for Atlanta?

Also, you cant combine TPE with players, so fear not - they'd have nothing to trade anyone in a sign and trade.

[Infinity2152]

Critical time for us. Not just the draft, but the off season. Let's get this positive energy going!!!!! If we believe, we can achieve! Need the collective goodwill of all the Bulls fans to be with AK today. We need Giddey's goodwill. People don't remember how Jordan almost left and Scottie was losing his mind over being underpaid. The deal we get, $30 mill or under, is very fair and likely a long term steal compared to next years contracts. Can't screw a guy over and expect him to want to stay there and give his all if he feels unappreciated.

Jrue Holiday has to be the maddest player in the league. Swapped from the Bucks after winning a ring and helping them win for years to the Blazers , from Blazers to the Celtics to help them get a ring and win a ton, then dumped back to the Blazers. Damn.

So go AK! Would love to add another pick in this draft, but we have two picks already and no roster spots. We're so excited, our second rookie might not even get playing time, having to pass Terry, Smith, Collins, Phillips, Ayo, Ball and Williams off the bench. If we don't get another first, we keep our assets and pick 12 and the guy who drafted Jokic, Ayo, and Gafford in the second round hopefully does it again with pick 45. Given his history, I'd almost prefer he trade that Portland first to them for a ton of seconds, and use one to move up in the second. Way cheaper and more controllable contracts.

[GuardianEnzo]

Officially rumors now that Sabonis is being shopped around. Whatever you think of him, that would be a very AKME move.

[sco]

Officially rumors now that Sabonis is being shopped around. Whatever you think of him, that would be a very AKME move.

Yep

[WindyCityBorn]

It’s funny that Beal keeps canceling the Bulls.

First off, he’d actually be a good fit next to Giddey and Matas (even Coby). Maybe he’s got college beef with Billy? That would make no sense to me.

Is he scared of the pressure? The cold? We had a better record than PHX, so it can’t be winning.

Honestly, I’d be all about a giant roster dump.

Patrick, Jalen, Dalen, Jevon, Lonzo for Beal & #29 works perfectly. Suns get a bunch of Bulls’ log-jammed/decent roleplayers with upside. Dalen imo could really work next to Booker. Lonzo alone is worth it.

We clear Pat off the 2028 books. Good chance Beal thrives in fast-pace Billy play-in ball and becomes a very tradeable expiring.

Forget Beal.

[WindyCityBorn]

I saw something about ATL creating a 25m trade exception. Is it possible they try to work out a sign and trade with Giddey? Someone who knows the rules explain to me if this is possible.

No

[2weekswithpay]

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You can use the TPE to acquire someone in a sign and trade. The Hawks would send draft assets back instead of a player.