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**NBA Draft Discussion 2025**

Moderators: KingDavid, QUIZ, heat4life, MettaWorldPanda, Wiltside, IggieCC, BFRESH44

Who's the guard pick if all available at 20?

Poll ended at Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:35 pm

Jase Richardson
2
9%
Nolan Traore
4
17%
Walter Clayton Jr
14
61%
Ben Saraf
3
13%
 
Total votes: 23

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Post#1461 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:44 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:So it turns out that both Traore, Richardson and WCJ worked out for us. It's also been reported we've looked into Ben Saraf.

Looks like we're finally getting a PG, which is good news.

I'm happy to hear we at least did the required homework, they kept things secret till the last minute this year for some reason. Kinda strange..does any other team does that?

Maybe because the pick was in limbo for the Durant trade. I’m pleased with the workout list. Looking at our depth chart and it screams please please get us a PG.
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2025** 

Post#1462 » by DayofMourning » Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:47 pm

Brooklyn has 5 1st rounders and an early 2nd rounder....will be interesting to see the activity surrounding them tonight.
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Post#1463 » by RexBoyWonder » Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:54 pm

as to DOM's poll, my order :

1) Traore
2) Saraf
3) Richardson
4) WCJ
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Post#1464 » by RexBoyWonder » Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:58 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:as to DOM's poll, my order :

1) Traore
2) Saraf
3) Richardson
4) WCJ


Traore - great first step, very mature for his age, decent size. Upside pick
Saraf - great size, very creative, crafty, upside.
Richardson - Great body control, great finisher, very good shooter, upside.
WCJ - much older, elite shooter, physically limited, very safe pick with a high floor and low ceiling IMO.
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2025** 

Post#1465 » by DayofMourning » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:00 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:as to DOM's poll, my order :

1) Traore
2) Saraf
3) Richardson
4) WCJ


Id swap 3 and 4.

What Im looking for is some type of wow factor. Some outstanding trait or combination of traits that theoretically allows that prospect to create or take advantage of mismatches.

Traores speed and burst.
Sarafs size and passing ability.
WCJs insane shot making ability.

Jase doesnt have a standout feature from my POV.
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Post#1466 » by RexBoyWonder » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:13 pm

DayofMourning wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:as to DOM's poll, my order :

1) Traore
2) Saraf
3) Richardson
4) WCJ


Id swap 3 and 4.

What Im looking for is some type of wow factor. Some outstanding trait or combination of traits that theoretically allows that prospect to create or take advantage of mismatches.

Traores speed and burst.
Sarafs size and passing ability.
WCJs insane shot making ability.

Jase doesnt have a standout feature from my POV.


Comparing the 4 :

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=walter-clayton-jr--jase-richardson--ben-saraf--nolan-traore

Age and FT rate are big markers for me

Traore has a 6'8 wingspan which doesn't show up on the table, but combined with his first step and passing - he's an improved jumper away from being something special.
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Post#1467 » by greg4012 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:16 pm

DayofMourning wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:as to DOM's poll, my order :

1) Traore
2) Saraf
3) Richardson
4) WCJ


Id swap 3 and 4.

What Im looking for is some type of wow factor. Some outstanding trait or combination of traits that theoretically allows that prospect to create or take advantage of mismatches.

Traores speed and burst.
Sarafs size and passing ability.
WCJs insane shot making ability.

Jase doesnt have a standout feature from my POV.


Jase is one of the best in class at playing off of advantage and navigating pockets of space. Kind of niche skill. Very valuable. But, considering he is squarely PG-sized, the concern is that he needs to prove a lot more as the guy who can create the advantage on-ball. Jase has elite touch and seems to be a very good shooter. The concern is if he gets his shot off fast enough (esp given his size) to really stress defenses with his shooting and scale up that skillset. He is not the quick trigger and all around shooter that WCJ is.

I'm intrigued by all 4, but struggle to hang my hat on any one as "my guy" among the group. Saraf is probably my top of the group because of his positional size and the fact that he's been doing it on a winning team in a high-level European league.
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Post#1468 » by lastb1ckman » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:49 pm

Wiltside wrote:Updated Mock Draft picks for us:

- Tankathon: Nolan Traore, PG, France
- CBSSports: Walter Clayton Jr, PG/SG, Florida
- ESPN: Liam McNeeley, SG/SF, UConn
- YahooSports: Jase Richardson, SG/PG, Michigan State
- NBADraft.net: Walter Clayton Jr, PG/SG, Florida
- NBADraftRoom: Rasheer Fleming, PF, St Josephs
- The Ringer: Walter Clayton Jr, PG/SG, Florida
- BleacherReport: Walter Clayton Jr, PG/SG, Florida


Come on ESPN McNeely? A shooter that can't shoot?
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Post#1469 » by HeatFanLifer » Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:40 pm

DayofMourning wrote:Brooklyn has 5 1st rounders and an early 2nd rounder....will be interesting to see the activity surrounding them tonight.


Bad GMing there. Wtf can a team do with 5 first round picks?
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Post#1470 » by heat4life » Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:47 pm

This is just my opinion, but we need PG/playmaking skills on this team. Clayton is older - only 22, not 40 like some make it sound - and brings similar attributes to Herro. Our issues last season? When Herro was not on the court, the offense suffered.

I like Traore and Saraf as prospects and any other year I would consider them over the experienced player but I think Miami wants to stay competitive NOW and already has developmental players in Ware and Jovic. They will go for the experienced player.

Not big on Jase. Good scorer but can he play floor general? Not sure…

I think Clayton is the pick with my main concern being his defense. Until he becomes average there, he’ll play off the bench. That’s ok though, Miami has Mitchell to start next to Herro and Clayton could get the Herro rest minutes. Basically what Rozier was supposed to give us.
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Post#1471 » by DayofMourning » Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:47 pm

HeatFanLifer wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:Brooklyn has 5 1st rounders and an early 2nd rounder....will be interesting to see the activity surrounding them tonight.


Bad GMing there. Wtf can a team do with 5 first round picks?


Trade them to consolidate.

Trade out of this draft into another.

Cant imagine them using all those picks.
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Post#1472 » by lastb1ckman » Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:48 pm

greg4012 wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:as to DOM's poll, my order :

1) Traore
2) Saraf
3) Richardson
4) WCJ


Id swap 3 and 4.

What Im looking for is some type of wow factor. Some outstanding trait or combination of traits that theoretically allows that prospect to create or take advantage of mismatches.

Traores speed and burst.
Sarafs size and passing ability.
WCJs insane shot making ability.

Jase doesnt have a standout feature from my POV.


Jase is one of the best in class at playing off of advantage and navigating pockets of space. Kind of niche skill. Very valuable. But, considering he is squarely PG-sized, the concern is that he needs to prove a lot more as the guy who can create the advantage on-ball. Jase has elite touch and seems to be a very good shooter. The concern is if he gets his shot off fast enough (esp given his size) to really stress defenses with his shooting and scale up that skillset. He is not the quick trigger and all around shooter that WCJ is.

I'm intrigued by all 4, but struggle to hang my hat on any one as "my guy" among the group. Saraf is probably my top of the group because of his positional size and the fact that he's been doing it on a winning team in a high-level European league.


Yeah Jase is a great shooter and efficient and every part of the floor at the college level, but I am just skeptical how his game translates. He's small for either guard position(smaller than WCJ and he's considered a small guard), not a crazy playmaker, not a crazy athlete, and left hand dominate. Where he can compensate is elite shooting, elite feel, decision making, and body control. Its like the Herro situation all over again, but Jase is even smaller.
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Post#1473 » by lastb1ckman » Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:49 pm

HeatFanLifer wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:Brooklyn has 5 1st rounders and an early 2nd rounder....will be interesting to see the activity surrounding them tonight.


Bad GMing there. Wtf can a team do with 5 first round picks?


Maybe they're trading up for Ace bailey. He seems to be trying to sandbag himself down to them.
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Post#1474 » by greg4012 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 4:23 pm

lastb1ckman wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:
Id swap 3 and 4.

What Im looking for is some type of wow factor. Some outstanding trait or combination of traits that theoretically allows that prospect to create or take advantage of mismatches.

Traores speed and burst.
Sarafs size and passing ability.
WCJs insane shot making ability.

Jase doesnt have a standout feature from my POV.


Jase is one of the best in class at playing off of advantage and navigating pockets of space. Kind of niche skill. Very valuable. But, considering he is squarely PG-sized, the concern is that he needs to prove a lot more as the guy who can create the advantage on-ball. Jase has elite touch and seems to be a very good shooter. The concern is if he gets his shot off fast enough (esp given his size) to really stress defenses with his shooting and scale up that skillset. He is not the quick trigger and all around shooter that WCJ is.

I'm intrigued by all 4, but struggle to hang my hat on any one as "my guy" among the group. Saraf is probably my top of the group because of his positional size and the fact that he's been doing it on a winning team in a high-level European league.


Yeah Jase is a great shooter and efficient and every part of the floor at the college level, but I am just skeptical how his game translates. He's small for either guard position(smaller than WCJ and he's considered a small guard), not a crazy playmaker, not a crazy athlete, and left hand dominate. Where he can compensate is elite shooting, elite feel, decision making, and body control. Its like the Herro situation all over again, but Jase is even smaller.


Positional size is definitely an important factor for me
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Post#1475 » by _GH0ST_ » Wed Jun 25, 2025 4:50 pm

Am I the only one on the Rasheer Fleming train?
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Post#1476 » by lastb1ckman » Wed Jun 25, 2025 5:03 pm

_GH0ST_ wrote:Am I the only one on the Rasheer Fleming train?


He reminds me of Serge Ibaka. Seems like a decent move, but I do wonder if they'd go that way with Ware on the team.
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Post#1477 » by twix2500 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:21 pm

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Post#1478 » by lastb1ckman » Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:32 pm

twix2500 wrote:


They seem to really be stuck on the whole Shabazz Napier comparison. They mention him every time Clayton comes up.
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Post#1479 » by Hallstar » Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:41 pm

_GH0ST_ wrote:Am I the only one on the Rasheer Fleming train?

If he can be mobile enough to be our 3 of the future I'm on board, would make our front line huge

Then go for PG through trade
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