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Not sure how much I'd like this, but couldn't Warriors re-sign Kuminga to 32 Mil and trade him to Portland for Holiday. No way Holiday is going to stay in Portland.
Curry, Holiday, Butler, Draymond....that's a pretty awesome four, especially defensive.
Not sure how it might get done, but nabbing Jrue and Deni from Portland for Heild and re-signed Kuminga.
Curry, Holiday, Butler, Draymond....that's a pretty awesome four, especially defensive.
Not sure how it might get done, but nabbing Jrue and Deni from Portland for Heild and re-signed Kuminga.
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ILOVEIT wrote:Not sure how much I'd like this, but couldn't Warriors re-sign Kuminga to 32 Mil and trade him to Portland for Holiday. No way Holiday is going to stay in Portland.
Curry, Holiday, Butler, Draymond....that's a pretty awesome four, especially defensive.
Not sure how it might get done, but nabbing Jrue and Deni from Portland for Heild and re-signed Kuminga.
no Kuminga salary only counts as half via SNT, we cant afford Holiday period we will be locked at 2nd apron even we try.
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Doesn't seem like we'll end up doing a S&T given the restrictions. I think the most likely scenario is JK signs a deal with the Warriors, then we look to trade him in Dec/Jan when we can trade him for a full value contract. Next most likely is someone like the Nets just steal him with a solid offer. I just can't come up with S&T scenarios that work for both teams.
We'll probably bring him back in his off the bench role, and use him as a more featured player when Steph or Jimmy take nights off, as I imagine they will to stay healthy. Then we'll hope to have inflated his trade value when the time comes for a piece that fits us better.
We'll probably bring him back in his off the bench role, and use him as a more featured player when Steph or Jimmy take nights off, as I imagine they will to stay healthy. Then we'll hope to have inflated his trade value when the time comes for a piece that fits us better.
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Kuminga and the GSW is just not a good mix right now with Curry and Butler on the team, Kuminga wants to be a featured scorer and creator?
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AirP. wrote:Kuminga and the GSW is just not a good mix right now with Curry and Butler on the team, Kuminga wants to be a featured scorer and creator?
Yup JK wants the ball in his hands to be an offensive engine. He doesn't care about where or if his team is winning, he just wants to see if he can be an all star.
The front office screwed up. They didn't believe that Steph could continue his dominance and so they went star hunting in the drafts and you end up drafting a player with this mentality. Which is fine, but his ultimate goal isn't to win a championship or win another title, it's to have the ball in his hands and get his.
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Onus wrote:AirP. wrote:Kuminga and the GSW is just not a good mix right now with Curry and Butler on the team, Kuminga wants to be a featured scorer and creator?
Yup JK wants the ball in his hands to be an offensive engine. He doesn't care about where or if his team is winning, he just wants to see if he can be an all star.
The front office screwed up. They didn't believe that Steph could continue his dominance and so they went star hunting in the drafts and you end up drafting a player with this mentality. Which is fine, but his ultimate goal isn't to win a championship or win another title, it's to have the ball in his hands and get his.
Just because he doesn't want to be buried on the bench or stuck in the dunker spot doesn't mean his ultimate goal isn't to win.
The rest, I agree with. I think the FO started to look past the curry era too early. Like 6-10 years too early. Not that I blame them, many on this board, in the media, etc. also thought that core was dead. They went star hunting, came up empty, and are paying for it now.
Jacob Evans over Jalen Brunson, however, makes no sense regardless if they were star hunting or wanted a vet to come in and contribute (clearly the latter, in that case).
It's crazy how 1 move often is the difference between a title and nothing. For all the acclaim OKC got, the shai trade, all the assets, all the picks they hit on, the Chet gamble, the Caruso and Hartenstein signings. All of those move wouldn't have mattered if they didn't draft jalen williams 3 years ago. Outside the top 10, no less.
Same for GSW. Had we drafted Brunson or Trey or Sengun or Herb Jones or .... not AND.. OR.. it's such a different conversation and the two timelines joke is not really a joke anymore.
Oh well, I guess we'll just have to be content with 4 titles and multiple runs at #5.
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vvoland wrote:Onus wrote:AirP. wrote:Kuminga and the GSW is just not a good mix right now with Curry and Butler on the team, Kuminga wants to be a featured scorer and creator?
Yup JK wants the ball in his hands to be an offensive engine. He doesn't care about where or if his team is winning, he just wants to see if he can be an all star.
The front office screwed up. They didn't believe that Steph could continue his dominance and so they went star hunting in the drafts and you end up drafting a player with this mentality. Which is fine, but his ultimate goal isn't to win a championship or win another title, it's to have the ball in his hands and get his.
Just because he doesn't want to be buried on the bench or stuck in the dunker spot doesn't mean his ultimate goal isn't to win.
Did you read Slater's article? There's not a single quote about winning or doing whatever it takes to get on the court. It's literally, I think i have what it takes to be an all star, I want to prove that I can be an all star. I don't care if it's with the warriors or another team I want the ball in my hands.
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Onus wrote:vvoland wrote:Onus wrote:Yup JK wants the ball in his hands to be an offensive engine. He doesn't care about where or if his team is winning, he just wants to see if he can be an all star.
The front office screwed up. They didn't believe that Steph could continue his dominance and so they went star hunting in the drafts and you end up drafting a player with this mentality. Which is fine, but his ultimate goal isn't to win a championship or win another title, it's to have the ball in his hands and get his.
Just because he doesn't want to be buried on the bench or stuck in the dunker spot doesn't mean his ultimate goal isn't to win.
Did you read Slater's article? There's not a single quote about winning or doing whatever it takes to get on the court. It's literally, I think i have what it takes to be an all star, I want to prove that I can be an all star. I don't care if it's with the warriors or another team I want the ball in my hands.
Honestly, good for him. He’s doing what he should do… looking out for himself. Unfortunately for him, with the structure of the cba and such, his market is artificially restricted so he may have to look out for Steve and Steph before himself if he wants to play.
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Onus wrote:vvoland wrote:Onus wrote:Yup JK wants the ball in his hands to be an offensive engine. He doesn't care about where or if his team is winning, he just wants to see if he can be an all star.
The front office screwed up. They didn't believe that Steph could continue his dominance and so they went star hunting in the drafts and you end up drafting a player with this mentality. Which is fine, but his ultimate goal isn't to win a championship or win another title, it's to have the ball in his hands and get his.
Just because he doesn't want to be buried on the bench or stuck in the dunker spot doesn't mean his ultimate goal isn't to win.
Did you read Slater's article? There's not a single quote about winning or doing whatever it takes to get on the court. It's literally, I think i have what it takes to be an all star, I want to prove that I can be an all star. I don't care if it's with the warriors or another team I want the ball in my hands.
I read the nbcbayarea one. I saw nothing about the ball, being the go-to scorer, creator, etc. Here are JK's actual words:
"That’s what’s been on my mind,” Kuminga told Slater. “Things take time, but I feel like I’m at the point where that has to be my priority, to just be one of the guys a team relies on. Aiming to be an All-Star. Multiple times. Aiming to be great. … Wherever I’m going to be at, it don’t matter if it’s the Warriors or if it’s anywhere else, it’s something I want. I want to see what I could do. I know I got it. So I want to really see. I’ve never got that chance.”
“I did it here and there, but it was never a consistent role, a consistent role given to me,” Kuminga said. “It only happens five games on, 10 games off. I want it to be a consistent role. Because I know what I got. I know what I could bring. I know how much work I put in. I know I’m dedicated to this game, how much I love the game.”
“Wherever I go, wherever I’ll be, off the rip, I just want them to be like, ‘Oh, yeah, he deserved what he got. He deserved to be here. He worked hard for it.’ Wherever it is, that’s what I want it to feel like." Kuminga added. "I want to be great. I feel like I’m capable of being that, capable of doing some special things, and I won’t just let it go like that. The only way to get there is just to lock in every single day.”
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vvoland wrote:Onus wrote:vvoland wrote:
Just because he doesn't want to be buried on the bench or stuck in the dunker spot doesn't mean his ultimate goal isn't to win.
Did you read Slater's article? There's not a single quote about winning or doing whatever it takes to get on the court. It's literally, I think i have what it takes to be an all star, I want to prove that I can be an all star. I don't care if it's with the warriors or another team I want the ball in my hands.
I read the nbcbayarea one. I saw nothing about the ball, being the go-to scorer, creator, etc. Here are JK's actual words:
"That’s what’s been on my mind,” Kuminga told Slater. “Things take time, but I feel like I’m at the point where that has to be my priority, to just be one of the guys a team relies on. Aiming to be an All-Star. Multiple times. Aiming to be great. … Wherever I’m going to be at, it don’t matter if it’s the Warriors or if it’s anywhere else, it’s something I want. I want to see what I could do. I know I got it. So I want to really see. I’ve never got that chance.”
“I did it here and there, but it was never a consistent role, a consistent role given to me,” Kuminga said. “It only happens five games on, 10 games off. I want it to be a consistent role. Because I know what I got. I know what I could bring. I know how much work I put in. I know I’m dedicated to this game, how much I love the game.”
“Wherever I go, wherever I’ll be, off the rip, I just want them to be like, ‘Oh, yeah, he deserved what he got. He deserved to be here. He worked hard for it.’ Wherever it is, that’s what I want it to feel like." Kuminga added. "I want to be great. I feel like I’m capable of being that, capable of doing some special things, and I won’t just let it go like that. The only way to get there is just to lock in every single day.”
He's an entitled talented player who didn't get his way, he's been in GS for 4 years and still calls his own number over a top 10 player, that doesn't sound like trying to play winning ball. Overall this falls on the FO for GS, Kuminga wants to play his way which clashes with how GS wants to play, either the FO should have moved Kuminga or changed coaches to get the most out of Kuminga (and probably lose a lot more).
Interesting side bit... Jimmy Butler did not get anything handed to him in the NBA, last pick of the 1st round and he got slotted as a 3&D player (who wasn't all that good from 3pt range). He got into Bulls games by taking the top defensive assignments while being basically the last option on offense and over time, proved to the coach he could do more on offense and with that, given more offensive opportunities his 3rd and 4th year. This is what Kuminga should have done but didn't. Kuminga basically came to an organization which had had incredible success and said I'm doing it my way and with that, sat the bench a ton. Some players are willing to do what it takes to get/make opportunities, some expect it to be given to them.
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AirP. wrote:vvoland wrote:Onus wrote:
Did you read Slater's article? There's not a single quote about winning or doing whatever it takes to get on the court. It's literally, I think i have what it takes to be an all star, I want to prove that I can be an all star. I don't care if it's with the warriors or another team I want the ball in my hands.
I read the nbcbayarea one. I saw nothing about the ball, being the go-to scorer, creator, etc. Here are JK's actual words:
"That’s what’s been on my mind,” Kuminga told Slater. “Things take time, but I feel like I’m at the point where that has to be my priority, to just be one of the guys a team relies on. Aiming to be an All-Star. Multiple times. Aiming to be great. … Wherever I’m going to be at, it don’t matter if it’s the Warriors or if it’s anywhere else, it’s something I want. I want to see what I could do. I know I got it. So I want to really see. I’ve never got that chance.”
“I did it here and there, but it was never a consistent role, a consistent role given to me,” Kuminga said. “It only happens five games on, 10 games off. I want it to be a consistent role. Because I know what I got. I know what I could bring. I know how much work I put in. I know I’m dedicated to this game, how much I love the game.”
“Wherever I go, wherever I’ll be, off the rip, I just want them to be like, ‘Oh, yeah, he deserved what he got. He deserved to be here. He worked hard for it.’ Wherever it is, that’s what I want it to feel like." Kuminga added. "I want to be great. I feel like I’m capable of being that, capable of doing some special things, and I won’t just let it go like that. The only way to get there is just to lock in every single day.”
He's an entitled talented player who didn't get his way, he's been in GS for 4 years and still calls his own number over a top 10 player, that doesn't sound like trying to play winning ball. Overall this falls on the FO for GS, Kuminga wants to play his way which clashes with how GS wants to play, either the FO should have moved Kuminga or changed coaches to get the most out of Kuminga (and probably lose a lot more).
Interesting side bit... Jimmy Butler did not get anything handed to him in the NBA, last pick of the 1st round and he got slotted as a 3&D player (who wasn't all that good from 3pt range). He got into Bulls games by taking the top defensive assignments while being basically the last option on offense and over time, proved to the coach he could do more on offense and with that, given more offensive opportunities his 3rd and 4th year. This is what Kuminga should have done but didn't. Kuminga basically came to an organization which had had incredible success and said I'm doing it my way and with that, sat the bench a ton. Some players are willing to do what it takes to get/make opportunities, some expect it to be given to them.
Cool story, bro. Too bad none of that happened.
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vvoland wrote:AirP. wrote:vvoland wrote:
I read the nbcbayarea one. I saw nothing about the ball, being the go-to scorer, creator, etc. Here are JK's actual words:
"That’s what’s been on my mind,” Kuminga told Slater. “Things take time, but I feel like I’m at the point where that has to be my priority, to just be one of the guys a team relies on. Aiming to be an All-Star. Multiple times. Aiming to be great. … Wherever I’m going to be at, it don’t matter if it’s the Warriors or if it’s anywhere else, it’s something I want. I want to see what I could do. I know I got it. So I want to really see. I’ve never got that chance.”
“I did it here and there, but it was never a consistent role, a consistent role given to me,” Kuminga said. “It only happens five games on, 10 games off. I want it to be a consistent role. Because I know what I got. I know what I could bring. I know how much work I put in. I know I’m dedicated to this game, how much I love the game.”
“Wherever I go, wherever I’ll be, off the rip, I just want them to be like, ‘Oh, yeah, he deserved what he got. He deserved to be here. He worked hard for it.’ Wherever it is, that’s what I want it to feel like." Kuminga added. "I want to be great. I feel like I’m capable of being that, capable of doing some special things, and I won’t just let it go like that. The only way to get there is just to lock in every single day.”
He's an entitled talented player who didn't get his way, he's been in GS for 4 years and still calls his own number over a top 10 player, that doesn't sound like trying to play winning ball. Overall this falls on the FO for GS, Kuminga wants to play his way which clashes with how GS wants to play, either the FO should have moved Kuminga or changed coaches to get the most out of Kuminga (and probably lose a lot more).
Interesting side bit... Jimmy Butler did not get anything handed to him in the NBA, last pick of the 1st round and he got slotted as a 3&D player (who wasn't all that good from 3pt range). He got into Bulls games by taking the top defensive assignments while being basically the last option on offense and over time, proved to the coach he could do more on offense and with that, given more offensive opportunities his 3rd and 4th year. This is what Kuminga should have done but didn't. Kuminga basically came to an organization which had had incredible success and said I'm doing it my way and with that, sat the bench a ton. Some players are willing to do what it takes to get/make opportunities, some expect it to be given to them.
Cool story, bro. Too bad none of that happened.
Then why hasn't he played, the most athletically gifted player on the team, GS used a lottery pick (a huge asset) to get him, didn't just trade him to get rid of him. If he would play good defense which he can do and just run the offense vs call his own number to stop the offense he would have been playing a lot more.
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AirP. wrote:vvoland wrote:AirP. wrote:
He's an entitled talented player who didn't get his way, he's been in GS for 4 years and still calls his own number over a top 10 player, that doesn't sound like trying to play winning ball. Overall this falls on the FO for GS, Kuminga wants to play his way which clashes with how GS wants to play, either the FO should have moved Kuminga or changed coaches to get the most out of Kuminga (and probably lose a lot more).
Interesting side bit... Jimmy Butler did not get anything handed to him in the NBA, last pick of the 1st round and he got slotted as a 3&D player (who wasn't all that good from 3pt range). He got into Bulls games by taking the top defensive assignments while being basically the last option on offense and over time, proved to the coach he could do more on offense and with that, given more offensive opportunities his 3rd and 4th year. This is what Kuminga should have done but didn't. Kuminga basically came to an organization which had had incredible success and said I'm doing it my way and with that, sat the bench a ton. Some players are willing to do what it takes to get/make opportunities, some expect it to be given to them.
Cool story, bro. Too bad none of that happened.
Then why hasn't he played, the most athletically gifted player on the team, GS used a lottery pick (a huge asset) to get him, didn't just trade him to get rid of him. If he would play good defense which he can do and just run the offense vs call his own number to stop the offense he would have been playing a lot more.
Kerr couldn't care less about athleticism or draft status.
In his 4 years here, JK had a ton of different roles: starting 3, starting 4, starting 5, bench scorer, POA defender, DNP-CD collector. Two years ago, when wigs was out with this father's illness, JK started 30 games, next to Steph and Dray, and was instrumental in helping us avoid the play-in that year. Wigs came back for the playoffs and JK went from 30+ mins a night to DNP-CDs or single digit minutes.
In Klay's last season, JK came off the bench, started, was the main bench scorer, was a complimentary scorer to Steph, and even started at the 4. After Dray's suspension, JK played pretty well and was a key reason we finished the season 25-12 or whatever it was. Got bounced in the play-in but I wonder if JK would have seen the floor in the playoffs that season or rode the bench in favor of Saric or Santos.
This year, JK's role went from starting (Kerr quit that idea after first 3 games), to anchoring the 2nd unit, to starting, again, to coming in as the swiss-army knife off the bench. The only time he had a clearly defined role, for more than 10 games, was when Wigs was out and that was 2 years ago. Since then, he's been jerked around more than a porn star. He's taken it in stride and was ready when called upon. Not sure how everyone else is reading that to mean he's entitled.
Things were starting to click for him and I think he would have found his role fairly quickly once Jimmy came, IF he didn't destroy his ankle for 3 months. JK struggled when he came back, didn't look like himself, physically, until the Minny series, and Kerr didn't have the time or the games to try an bring JK along. I disagree with the DNP-CDs but I do get why he lost his spot in the rotation as the 1st guy off the bench.
Sometimes, it just doesn't work out. Instead of ascribing motivations to a 22 year old that I've never met, or a wildly successful head coach, I would rather take the things that were actually said at face value. If you disagree, I can't blame you. I will, however, continue to disagree with the idea that JK didn't do what was asked of him and is an entitled player who just wants to call his own number. I've watched all of his minutes and while I disagree with the shot selection, i don't see a selfish player than only cares about his stats. I see a guy that thinks his talent is being underutilized and he can't reach his ceiling by riding the bench and never having a clear role defined for, not given to, him.
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vvoland wrote:AirP. wrote:vvoland wrote:
Cool story, bro. Too bad none of that happened.
Then why hasn't he played, the most athletically gifted player on the team, GS used a lottery pick (a huge asset) to get him, didn't just trade him to get rid of him. If he would play good defense which he can do and just run the offense vs call his own number to stop the offense he would have been playing a lot more.
Kerr couldn't care less about athleticism or draft status.
In his 4 years here, JK had a ton of different roles: starting 3, starting 4, starting 5, bench scorer, POA defender, DNP-CD collector. Two years ago, when wigs was out with this father's illness, JK started 30 games, next to Steph and Dray, and was instrumental in helping us avoid the play-in that year. Wigs came back for the playoffs and JK went from 30+ mins a night to DNP-CDs or single digit minutes.
In Klay's last season, JK came off the bench, started, was the main bench scorer, was a complimentary scorer to Steph, and even started at the 4. After Dray's suspension, JK played pretty well and was a key reason we finished the season 25-12 or whatever it was. Got bounced in the play-in but I wonder if JK would have seen the floor in the playoffs that season or rode the bench in favor of Saric or Santos.
This year, JK's role went from starting (Kerr quit that idea after first 3 games), to anchoring the 2nd unit, to starting, again, to coming in as the swiss-army knife off the bench. The only time he had a clearly defined role, for more than 10 games, was when Wigs was out and that was 2 years ago. Since then, he's been jerked around more than a porn star. He's taken it in stride and was ready when called upon. Not sure how everyone else is reading that to mean he's entitled.
Things were starting to click for him and I think he would have found his role fairly quickly once Jimmy came, IF he didn't destroy his ankle for 3 months. JK struggled when he came back, didn't look like himself, physically, until the Minny series, and Kerr didn't have the time or the games to try an bring JK along. I disagree with the DNP-CDs but I do get why he lost his spot in the rotation as the 1st guy off the bench.
Sometimes, it just doesn't work out. Instead of ascribing motivations to a 22 year old that I've never met, or a wildly successful head coach, I would rather take the things that were actually said at face value. If you disagree, I can't blame you. I will, however, continue to disagree with the idea that JK didn't do what was asked of him and is an entitled player who just wants to call his own number. I've watched all of his minutes and while I disagree with the shot selection, i don't see a selfish player than only cares about his stats. I see a guy that thinks his talent is being underutilized and he can't reach his ceiling by riding the bench and never having a clear role defined for, not given to, him.

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whatisacenter wrote:vvoland wrote:AirP. wrote:Then why hasn't he played, the most athletically gifted player on the team, GS used a lottery pick (a huge asset) to get him, didn't just trade him to get rid of him. If he would play good defense which he can do and just run the offense vs call his own number to stop the offense he would have been playing a lot more.
Kerr couldn't care less about athleticism or draft status.
In his 4 years here, JK had a ton of different roles: starting 3, starting 4, starting 5, bench scorer, POA defender, DNP-CD collector. Two years ago, when wigs was out with this father's illness, JK started 30 games, next to Steph and Dray, and was instrumental in helping us avoid the play-in that year. Wigs came back for the playoffs and JK went from 30+ mins a night to DNP-CDs or single digit minutes.
In Klay's last season, JK came off the bench, started, was the main bench scorer, was a complimentary scorer to Steph, and even started at the 4. After Dray's suspension, JK played pretty well and was a key reason we finished the season 25-12 or whatever it was. Got bounced in the play-in but I wonder if JK would have seen the floor in the playoffs that season or rode the bench in favor of Saric or Santos.
This year, JK's role went from starting (Kerr quit that idea after first 3 games), to anchoring the 2nd unit, to starting, again, to coming in as the swiss-army knife off the bench. The only time he had a clearly defined role, for more than 10 games, was when Wigs was out and that was 2 years ago. Since then, he's been jerked around more than a porn star. He's taken it in stride and was ready when called upon. Not sure how everyone else is reading that to mean he's entitled.
Things were starting to click for him and I think he would have found his role fairly quickly once Jimmy came, IF he didn't destroy his ankle for 3 months. JK struggled when he came back, didn't look like himself, physically, until the Minny series, and Kerr didn't have the time or the games to try an bring JK along. I disagree with the DNP-CDs but I do get why he lost his spot in the rotation as the 1st guy off the bench.
Sometimes, it just doesn't work out. Instead of ascribing motivations to a 22 year old that I've never met, or a wildly successful head coach, I would rather take the things that were actually said at face value. If you disagree, I can't blame you. I will, however, continue to disagree with the idea that JK didn't do what was asked of him and is an entitled player who just wants to call his own number. I've watched all of his minutes and while I disagree with the shot selection, i don't see a selfish player than only cares about his stats. I see a guy that thinks his talent is being underutilized and he can't reach his ceiling by riding the bench and never having a clear role defined for, not given to, him.
Agree. All Kuminga wants is a F'ing consistent role on this team. Kerr just dicks around way too much. He says "trying to see what works" but if it works for four games but doesn't for one, he benches Kuminga. This is benching a young uber athletic stud for guys CBA dudes because they may not make the same mistakes. Honestly, its' bull. It's like saying I like having stock in Matel cause I know it's going to stay at 20 bucks when you could own a tech stock with a ceiling of 50.
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vvoland wrote:AirP. wrote:vvoland wrote:
Cool story, bro. Too bad none of that happened.
Then why hasn't he played, the most athletically gifted player on the team, GS used a lottery pick (a huge asset) to get him, didn't just trade him to get rid of him. If he would play good defense which he can do and just run the offense vs call his own number to stop the offense he would have been playing a lot more.
Kerr couldn't care less about athleticism or draft status.
In his 4 years here, JK had a ton of different roles: starting 3, starting 4, starting 5, bench scorer, POA defender, DNP-CD collector. Two years ago, when wigs was out with this father's illness, JK started 30 games, next to Steph and Dray, and was instrumental in helping us avoid the play-in that year. Wigs came back for the playoffs and JK went from 30+ mins a night to DNP-CDs or single digit minutes.
In Klay's last season, JK came off the bench, started, was the main bench scorer, was a complimentary scorer to Steph, and even started at the 4. After Dray's suspension, JK played pretty well and was a key reason we finished the season 25-12 or whatever it was. Got bounced in the play-in but I wonder if JK would have seen the floor in the playoffs that season or rode the bench in favor of Saric or Santos.
This year, JK's role went from starting (Kerr quit that idea after first 3 games), to anchoring the 2nd unit, to starting, again, to coming in as the swiss-army knife off the bench. The only time he had a clearly defined role, for more than 10 games, was when Wigs was out and that was 2 years ago. Since then, he's been jerked around more than a porn star. He's taken it in stride and was ready when called upon. Not sure how everyone else is reading that to mean he's entitled.
Things were starting to click for him and I think he would have found his role fairly quickly once Jimmy came, IF he didn't destroy his ankle for 3 months. JK struggled when he came back, didn't look like himself, physically, until the Minny series, and Kerr didn't have the time or the games to try an bring JK along. I disagree with the DNP-CDs but I do get why he lost his spot in the rotation as the 1st guy off the bench.
Sometimes, it just doesn't work out. Instead of ascribing motivations to a 22 year old that I've never met, or a wildly successful head coach, I would rather take the things that were actually said at face value. If you disagree, I can't blame you. I will, however, continue to disagree with the idea that JK didn't do what was asked of him and is an entitled player who just wants to call his own number. I've watched all of his minutes and while I disagree with the shot selection, i don't see a selfish player than only cares about his stats. I see a guy that thinks his talent is being underutilized and he can't reach his ceiling by riding the bench and never having a clear role defined for, not given to, him.
Well said. Why others can’t see this is very surprising to me. Actually it isn’t. I’ve been reading this board for years. NOTHING surprises me

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Roles are not given they are earned. Jk has a lot of glaring holes in his game that are an anathema to winning.
He hasn't developed into a good passer which hinders the motion offense, he doesn't rebound particularly well for his size and leaping ability, has inconsistent defense and 3pt shot.
None of this has anything to do with steve kerr and everything to do with kuminga's low bbiq and slow development.
He hasn't developed into a good passer which hinders the motion offense, he doesn't rebound particularly well for his size and leaping ability, has inconsistent defense and 3pt shot.
None of this has anything to do with steve kerr and everything to do with kuminga's low bbiq and slow development.
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I’m not sure JK taking it in stride is entirely accurate either. He pretty clearly leaked his dissatisfaction in 2024 to force the situation.
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