Around The NBA : 2024-25 Season

[Dan Z]

I agree...nobody would trade for him right now. On the General Board a few posters said that Kyrie took a pay cut, which I call BS on. Yes, he agreed to a deal that puts the Mavs under the apron, but that's not taking a pay cut IMO. If he tested the market or threatened to leave where would he go? Nobody has money to sign him and if they do those teams are rebuilding and wouldn't have any interest (Brooklyn for example).

If other teams wouldn't pay Kryrie $40 million per year, why did the Mavs do so?

Because they have AD and want to continue to give the Kyrie/AD team a try. The new extension runs the same length as ADs contract.

[Ice Man]

Because they have AD and want to continue to give the Kyrie/AD team a try. The new extension runs the same length as ADs contract.

Yeah, I get the part about wanting Kyrie for that time frame, but not the part about paying him more than his market value in the contract. Figure out what his best outside offer might be, then pay him $1 milion per year more. But it sounds as if the Mavs paid a lot more than that.

[WesPeace]

I agree...nobody would trade for him right now. On the General Board a few posters said that Kyrie took a pay cut, which I call BS on. Yes, he agreed to a deal that puts the Mavs under the apron, but that's not taking a pay cut IMO. If he tested the market or threatened to leave where would he go? Nobody has money to sign him and if they do those teams are rebuilding and wouldn't have any interest (Brooklyn for example).

If other teams wouldn't pay Kryrie $40 million per year, why did the Mavs do so?

Because they have AD and want to continue to give the Kyrie/AD team a try. The new extension runs the same length as ADs contract.

And also Kyrie is still legit borderline all star player when healthy.. so he got paid as expected

[kodo]

Might be a culture thing. If Caruso tore his ACL I'd probably still pay him normal market value just to establish a culture for Flagg and other youngsters.
It's a high price on culture, but Nico literally traded Luka so he obviously values culture more than actual on court production.

[Chi town]

WT - Kuminga for the Heat

Can def see that fit

[jnrjr79]

I agree...nobody would trade for him right now. On the General Board a few posters said that Kyrie took a pay cut, which I call BS on. Yes, he agreed to a deal that puts the Mavs under the apron, but that's not taking a pay cut IMO. If he tested the market or threatened to leave where would he go? Nobody has money to sign him and if they do those teams are rebuilding and wouldn't have any interest (Brooklyn for example).

If other teams wouldn't pay Kryrie $40 million per year, why did the Mavs do so?

Because they have AD and want to continue to give the Kyrie/AD team a try. The new extension runs the same length as ADs contract.

Yeah, I think the main thing is they are committed to a sort-term run with Kyrie/AD/Flagg, then pivoting probably to the Flagg-led version of the team.

The other thing is that by declining his option and doing this new deal, since Kyrie's 2025 number is lower, my understanding Dallas opened up the taxpayer MLE and can add a player this year that they otherwise could not have. I saw on Twitter today they may go after DeAngelo Russell.

[Ice Man]

I mean, it's Dallas -- the franchise that traded Luka. So maybe theyr'e just wired that way. But my first instinct -- which underlies my comment is that if a player receives X, and people believe that no other team would have paid him anything like X, then probably another team would have paid him something like X. Because that is how the markets customarily work.

[jnrjr79]

I mean, it's Dallas -- the franchise that traded Luka. So maybe theyr'e just wired that way. But my first instinct -- which underlies my comment is that if a player receives X, and people believe that no other team would have paid him anything like X, then probably another team would have paid him something like X. Because that is how the markets customarily work.

How any Bulls fan could believe this is beyond me.

[samwana]

Nbadraft.net has changed their mock again and has us taking JK.

[Dan Z]

I mean, it's Dallas -- the franchise that traded Luka. So maybe theyr'e just wired that way. But my first instinct -- which underlies my comment is that if a player receives X, and people believe that no other team would have paid him anything like X, then probably another team would have paid him something like X. Because that is how the markets customarily work.

Dallas didn't let the market decide (teams seem to do that a lot). If he hit the open market who would pay him? He's 33 years old and just had a major injury.

I'd be surprised if he got a decent offer from anyone. A bad team is rebuilding and wouldn't go after him and a good team either doesn't need Kyrie (because they already have a pg) or has salary concerns (look at Bostons off season) or wouldn't be willing to give up assets (because it would have to be a sign and trade).

That leaves...nobody? I can't think of a team that would make a realistic offer.

[Ice Man]

How any Bulls fan could believe this is beyond me.

The alternative is believing that Jerry Reinsdorf is simultaneously supercheap and tossed away millions in paying Zach LaVine, because he kinda felt like it. Call me skeptical.

[Ice Man]

Dallas didn't let the market decide (teams seem to do that a lot). If he hit the open market who would pay him? He's 33 years old and just had a major injury.

I'd be surprised if he got a decent offer from anyone. A bad team is rebuilding and wouldn't go after him and a good team either doesn't need Kyrie (because they already have a pg) or has salary concerns (look at Bostons off season) or wouldn't be willing to give up assets (because it would have to be a sign and trade).

That leaves...nobody? I can't think of a team that would make a realistic offer.

OK that argument makes sense. The claim here is not that Dallas demonstrably paid more than the market would bear, but that Dallas management wanted Kyrie to the extent that it was willing to pay him an above-market wage, to prevent the off chance that Dallas's estimate of his market value was wrong. That I can understand; that's logical economics.

[boozapalooza]

Snoozefest so far today…where the Sham Wow’s at? Expecting to see some trade activity leading up to the start of round 1

I’m ready to be hurt again

[Dan Z]

I think the Suns should see if the Mavs would trade PJ Washington for one of their shooting guards (and possibly something else).

I think PJ would help round out their roster.

[Jcool0]

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[sco]

I think the Suns should see if the Mavs would trade PJ Washington for one of their shooting guards (and possibly something else).

I think PJ would help round out their roster.

So should we. Ball/Ayo/Huerter...take your pick for PJ. IMO he'd be a better fit than Kuminga.

[ImSlower]

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Mayberry gone then? Reporting on the Bulls the last five years surely was a tiresome job, but I read pretty much every column he wrote. With the general quality of The Athletic taking a sharp nosedive (BROUGHT TO YOU BY BET MGM BET NOW BET OFTEN), color me skeptical of a new beat writer. Especially with the FO being resoundingly one of the least respected in the entire league, I'm not confident a fresh beat reporter is going to be more than a mouthpiece. That said, I'll surely read all the new guy's content all the same. Best of luck to him.

[Chi town]

So AK wants to rebuild now but no one will give him the assets for Coby or Zo and no one wants Vuc. This guy just doesn’t know what he’s doing until it’s too late and his assets lose all their value. Doesn’t understand time value of assets at all.

ME talked about being patient and taking our time not rushing anything with mistakes.

We know he’s trying to trade Vuc, wants to trade Patrick, and is open to trading Coby and Zo. Cowley saying league thinks he’s finally not overvaluing his players and is ready to trade.

It sure seems like his compete at all costs is overblown now. We trade Coby for picks and unload Vuc and Zo and we will lose a ton of games next year in an even stronger draft class.

So annoying to see this guy still floundering.

[nomorezorro]

extending ak right before masai hits the open market...classic bulls

[DASMACKDOWN]

Wow Masai being dropped