2025 Draft Thread - Part 3

[dobrojim]

Newell and Fleming will have more NBA success than Ace Bailey.

Bailey will score and block shots, but he's at best, Dominique Wilkins.

Newell and Fleming with Sarr would be filthy defensively. All three have Siakim potential.

Newell & Fleming are two guys I like the least. Asa is PF sized in a C's body with C skill and Fleming's overall feel just scares me - although I do admit that can improve over time.

'nique couldn't beat Bird but he was a HoFer. If we got a HoFer with the 6th pick, that would be pretty schweet.
As long as we also still kept our '26 FRP.

[DCZards]

Point guards are important, but not as much as they used to be. Now you have secondary ballhandlers like Bilal and Kyshawn George. Bub is just 18.

You’re right. Get you a PG like two-time NBA champ Jrue Holiday, who is not an explosive athlete or great passer but is a heady oncourt leader, a good midrange shooter, has a decent 3 ball…and doesn’t turn the ball over. Jrue is also an above average rebounder for a PG.

Hey, that sounds a lot like Bub Carrington.

Yes, Bub is no Jrue defensively but he does have the size, strength and motor to hold his own on that end of the court.

[dobrojim]

Regarding Brooklyn and wanting to trade up using their 5 picks: it will take a team that wants to move down and acquire 2-3 picks in return. Some teams don't have the roster spots for it, and some teams don't really want to try and develop 3 rookies at the same time. This isn't the NFL where there's 53 spots on the team. You got 12 dudes, if you're going into the offseason and you have 9-10 and you're thinking about being a player in free agency, then it doesn't make sense.

I'm not concerned with Brooklyn leap frogging us. It's possible it happens, but not sure it will.

I'm more worried about Maluach being off the board. I think SAN, PHL CHA all might be interested and other teams
like BRK could leapfrog us for Maluach, not Fears.

[machu46]

Regarding Brooklyn and wanting to trade up using their 5 picks: it will take a team that wants to move down and acquire 2-3 picks in return. Some teams don't have the roster spots for it, and some teams don't really want to try and develop 3 rookies at the same time. This isn't the NFL where there's 53 spots on the team. You got 12 dudes, if you're going into the offseason and you have 9-10 and you're thinking about being a player in free agency, then it doesn't make sense.

I'm not concerned with Brooklyn leap frogging us. It's possible it happens, but not sure it will.

I'm more worried about Maluach being off the board. I think SAN, PHL CHA all might be interested and other teams
like BRK could leapfrog us for Maluach, not Fears.

This is my dream scenario for the Wizards lol he's probably the only realistic option that I actively do not want.

[NatP4]

I’m thinking we trade 18+Kispert to SAS for 14 and go get Queen.

[NatP4]

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[GoneShammGone]

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Derik Queen Is 6’10” And The Next JOKER (Lottery Pick Day In the Life)





Love this kid. Super likable guy. I'll be rooting for him wherever he goes.

He's right about Old Bay. Seems like a chill and humble kid. I'd love him at 18. Doubt he lasts that long.

[80sballboy]

Point guards are important, but not as much as they used to be. Now you have secondary ballhandlers like Bilal and Kyshawn George. Bub is just 18.

You’re right. Get you a PG like two-time NBA champ Jrue Holiday, who is not an explosive athlete or great passer but is a heady oncourt leader, a good midrange shooter, has a decent 3 ball…and doesn’t turn the ball over. Jrue is also an above average rebounder for a PG.

Hey, that sounds a lot like Bub Carrington.

Yes, Bub is no Jrue defensively but he does have the size, strength and motor to hold his own on that end of the court.

Right, that's the point, no pun intended. Tatum is their main ballhandler and runs the offense. Sometimes it's (was) Holiday or Brown. Jrue was able to win two titles with dominant forwards who were the primary guys like Giannis and Tatum. Just a different game now. I still love creative point guards who can drive and dish. Would love to have Haliburton. But don't necessarily need one to win a title. I'm not in love with Bub because he's not that athletic penetrator who looks for others. But he's fine for now. Who knows? Maybe DA and others are wrong and they pick Fears, or trade up to get him?

[tontoz]

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Demin at 5?

Sorry i can't take anyone seriously who thinks that is anything other than a joke.

Hoop Intellect had Demin at 25 if i remember right.

[closg00]

It is only recently that I found out that Kevin Broom does not watch that much basketball, he is mostly a stat geek.

This is an interesting observation.

I found this out while listening to him and Matt on YouTube discussing possible draft picks, he hadn’t seen any/many of the prospects, and he talked about his process, very interesting.

[NatP4]

I’m a bit shocked at Corey’s board as well. Queen at 3 is definitely intriguing.

[badinage]

It is only recently that I found out that Kevin Broom does not watch that much basketball, he is mostly a stat geek.

This is an interesting observation.

I found this out while listening to him and Matt on YouTube discussing possible draft picks, he hadn’t seen any/many of the prospects, and he talked about his process, very interesting.

Saw that, too lol

“I don’t watch the players, I study the spreadsheets.”

The ultimate expression of Where We Are Now — what all this moneyballosity of sports has wrought.

[tontoz]

This is an interesting observation.

I found this out while listening to him and Matt on YouTube discussing possible draft picks, he hadn’t seen any/many of the prospects, and he talked about his process, very interesting.

Saw that, too lol

“I don’t watch the players, I study the spreadsheets.”

The ultimate expression of Where We Are Now — what all this moneyballosity of sports has wrought.

That is part of the reason why many people are down on Ace. They didn't watch him play they are just judging him with stats and what they saw on youtube mocks.

[AFM]

This is an interesting observation.

I found this out while listening to him and Matt on YouTube discussing possible draft picks, he hadn’t seen any/many of the prospects, and he talked about his process, very interesting.

Saw that, too lol

“I don’t watch the players, I study the spreadsheets.”

The ultimate expression of Where We Are Now — what all this moneyballosity of sports has wrought.

That is surprising since he posted on here for so long and writes for bulletsforever.

[dckingsfan]

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Demin at 5?

Sorry i can't take anyone seriously who thinks that is anything other than a joke.

Hoop Intellect had Demin at 25 if i remember right.

23rd.

[machu46]

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Demin at 5?

Sorry i can't take anyone seriously who thinks that is anything other than a joke.

Hoop Intellect had Demin at 25 if i remember right.

23rd.

He just published his final big board last night and has him 25th now.

[Dark Faze]

Kon Knueppel is a good example of where advanced stats can steer you wrong. Aint no way this dude gonna be anything more than a mercenary three point bench wing.

He's definitely more than that, but I've always felt that anyone lifting him up into top 3-5 territory is insane. He's a perfect target for a team that needs shooting and predictability as a 4th or 5th option: he's a perfect fit for teams to me that are already contenders and need a shooter, he's a horrific fit for teams that are disasters (us, Charlotte, Utah etc).

I'm at a point where I don't think pure shooters should be drafted in the first round unless you think they have elite 3 and D potential or all-star potential.

Almost every year these "best shooter in the draft" guys just disappear. Even some of the best shooters in NBA history like Reddick and Korver bounced all over the place. Pure shooting guys just aren't going to be ready 9 times out of 10 to contribute to winning basketball in their early years. They still have to develop like any other archetype. And unless the ceiling is quite high, you're wasting the pick, because you can get a veteran pure shooter for relatively cheap in free agency.

Now obviously you think more highly of Kon than I do, so you can probably disregard most of this post, but just wanted to post my thoughts on pure shooters. We wasted a pick on Corey. I like the kid. But we wasted the pick. I think the Raptors wasted the pick in Dick. The Lakers wasted the pick on Knecht. Just IMO.

[tontoz]

I don't think Kon will be a bust I just think he is a guy you pick later in the draft to compliment your star player(s) which we dont have.

[dobrojim]

It is only recently that I found out that Kevin Broom does not watch that much basketball, he is mostly a stat geek.

This is an interesting observation.

I found this out while listening to him and Matt on YouTube discussing possible draft picks, he hadn’t seen any/many of the prospects, and he talked about his process, very interesting.

Kev doesn't apologize or hide what his methods are.
I watched the same video. If you could decide on the
best measure(s) to define success or value, you could
do a retrospective analysis and see how good YODA
has been compared to other methods.

[payitforward]

Well, that's not difficult! Just use the same metrics at the team level rather than the individual level & see how close your ordered list is to team records that season.