Brewers 2025 Discussion - Civale to White Sox

Ron Swanson · Post #1621 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 9:27 pm

Starters are 5th best in ERA as is. Pretty wild at how quickly the pitching staff has went from an offseason concern to looking like they could be absolutely loaded if Woody can give you anything resembling his former self.

Post #1622 » by **humanrefutation** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 9:45 pm

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How long do we stick with Hoskins? He's been terrible.

MVP2110 · Post #1623 » by **MVP2110** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 10:35 pm

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How long do we stick with Hoskins? He's been terrible.

I mean he has a 119 OPS+ on the season so I think terrible is a bit of a stretch.

Post #1624 » by **MickeyDavis** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 11:36 pm

Hoskins has fallen off the cliff. His June has been brutal.

Matches Malone · Post #1625 » by **Matches Malone** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:12 pm

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Thunder Muscle · Post #1626 » by **Thunder Muscle** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:22 pm

Yikes, Mitchell. Guess he’ll always have the Game 2 HR but thinking this may be it for him.

Iheartfootball · Post #1627 » by **Iheartfootball** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:37 pm

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Damn. Bad Luck. I would imagine he's devastated. Takes so much work to make it this far. Best to Garrett!

Thunder Muscle · Post #1628 » by **Thunder Muscle** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:20 pm

The pitching decisions going to get real interesting. Woodruff think could be back next week maybe? I don’t know what they do to squeeze him in the rotation. Pair him with Priester as combo to start so can keep Patrick in rotation? I assume Patrick to AAA is an option if struggles next start. If Patrick stays, assume Woody maybe gets Rob Z’s spot. Is Mears a sleeper option to be demoted if want to keep Rob z (lefty)? But have Hall, Ashby, Koenig.

Mitchell injury kinda clears way for a Perkins for Cameron swap.

Also wonder if they would the trigger on a Quintana trade if got a decent prospect offer.

MVP2110 · Post #1629 » by **MVP2110** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:23 pm

Thunder Muscle wrote:The pitching decisions going to get real interesting. Woodruff think could be back next week maybe? I don’t know what they do to squeeze him in the rotation. Pair him with Priester as combo to start so can keep Patrick in rotation? I assume Patrick to AAA is an option if struggles next start. If Patrick stays, assume Woody maybe gets Rob Z’s spot. Is Mears a sleeper option to be demoted if want to keep Rob z (lefty)? But have Hall, Ashby, Koenig.

Mitchell injury kinda clears way for a Perkins for Cameron swap.

Also wonder if they would the trigger on a Quintana trade if got a decent prospect offer.

I think Patrick is likely pitching for his spot in the rotation this next start. If he struggles against the Rockies I think he likely goes to AAA. Same is possible for Priester. Murph loves Quintana so I doubt they trade him but maybe the Front office convinces him

Thunder Muscle · Post #1630 » by **Thunder Muscle** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:30 pm

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Thunder Muscle wrote:The pitching decisions going to get real interesting. Woodruff think could be back next week maybe? I don’t know what they do to squeeze him in the rotation. Pair him with Priester as combo to start so can keep Patrick in rotation? I assume Patrick to AAA is an option if struggles next start. If Patrick stays, assume Woody maybe gets Rob Z’s spot. Is Mears a sleeper option to be demoted if want to keep Rob z (lefty)? But have Hall, Ashby, Koenig.

Mitchell injury kinda clears way for a Perkins for Cameron swap.

Also wonder if they would the trigger on a Quintana trade if got a decent prospect offer.

I think Patrick is likely pitching for his spot in the rotation this next start. If he struggles against the Rockies I think he likely goes to AAA. Same is possible for Priester. Murph loves Quintana so I doubt they trade him but maybe the Front office convinces him

I think Priester is going to be helped by possibly losing an option. If he is at AAA more than like 9 days, he burns his last option year. Feel like they’re going to want to hold that option for next season if at all possible. But if he struggles and Patrick doesn’t this weekend (or next 2), all bets off.

But right now Peralta, Miz, Quintana are safe. Woodruff is going to get a spot and will stick if pitches somewhat decently. Obviously who knows if he stays healthy and/or pitches well. He is a complete wild card.

And still have Henderson lurking in AAA.

Post #1631 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:42 pm

TBH I'm not really confident that Woodruff is gonna be here long. I don't think he's looked particularly good in his minor league starts. Maybe it's just because he's lost his velocity and I'm not sure he does in a big league game if he can't dial it up to 96 or 97 on command.

MVP2110 · Post #1632 » by **MVP2110** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:47 pm

It's definitely fair to wonder if Woodruff truly is one of the best 5 right now. In fact I'd probably argue he isn't as well. But I'm assuming the Crew will give him a few starts to find out.

Post #1633 » by **MickeyDavis** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:53 pm

If Woody doesn't work out I bring up Henderson. The option thing is definitely a factor but Priester has had a much better June than Patrick.

Post #1634 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:35 pm

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MVP2110 · Post #1636 » by **MVP2110** » Thu Jun 26, 2025 3:16 am

What is the innings target for Mis? And how do the Brewers manage that the rest of the season?

He pitched 97 innings last year, he's currently at 79 right now. There are roughly 16 turns through the rotation left, at an average of 5 innings a start that would put him at 159 innings before playoffs. That seems like an aggressive jump and doesn't count any potential playoff starts

Gianstoppable · Post #1637 » by **Gianstoppable** » Thu Jun 26, 2025 3:36 am

Ron Swanson wrote:Starters are 5th best in ERA as is. Pretty wild at how quickly the pitching staff has went from an offseason concern to looking like they could be absolutely loaded if Woody can give you anything resembling his former self.

Only downfall is it makes me even more annoyed we traded for Priester. I don't trust guys in this division if they can't rack up strikeouts at least around 8+ k/9. He could be good and I'll gladly eat crow though

Gianstoppable · Post #1638 » by **Gianstoppable** » Thu Jun 26, 2025 3:44 am

MVP2110 wrote:What is the innings target for Mis? And how do the Brewers manage that the rest of the season?

He pitched 97 innings last year, he's currently at 79 right now. There are roughly 16 turns through the rotation left, at an average of 5 innings a start that would put him at 159 innings before playoffs. That seems like an aggressive jump and doesn't count any potential playoff starts

130 before the playoffs ideally 150 max thru playoffs. I think he's got a go to the bullpen at some point or a phantom month long injury where he can just go to the pitching lab. These things can work themselves out but I'd feel better if he was around 140-150 by the offseason. That would put him around 180+ next year

It is just refreshing to see teams calling up pitching prospects and even hitting prospects so much faster over these past few years. Only so many bullets in these guys and sometimes guys just struggle in the minors. Miz seems to be thriving off the intensity in the MLB as well. I am having fun.

Post #1639 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Jun 26, 2025 3:47 am

MVP2110 wrote:What is the innings target for Mis? And how do the Brewers manage that the rest of the season?

He pitched 97 innings last year, he's currently at 79 right now. There are roughly 16 turns through the rotation left, at an average of 5 innings a start that would put him at 159 innings before playoffs. That seems like an aggressive jump and doesn't count any potential playoff starts

I think the general rule of thumb is around a 30% increase, or 29 more innings. With Miz being such a high effort pitcher, if the Brewers want him for the playoffs, I think they're going to have to move him to the bullpen in July. If they used him in traditional high leverage situations that would give him around 27 more appearances. There's your 30%.

But I have no idea what their plan is.

MVP2110 · Post #1640 » by **MVP2110** » Thu Jun 26, 2025 12:06 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
MVP2110 wrote:What is the innings target for Mis? And how do the Brewers manage that the rest of the season?

He pitched 97 innings last year, he's currently at 79 right now. There are roughly 16 turns through the rotation left, at an average of 5 innings a start that would put him at 159 innings before playoffs. That seems like an aggressive jump and doesn't count any potential playoff starts

I think the general rule of thumb is around a 30% increase, or 29 more innings. With Miz being such a high effort pitcher, if the Brewers want him for the playoffs, I think they're going to have to move him to the bullpen in July. If they used him in traditional high leverage situations that would give him around 27 more appearances. There's your 30%.

But I have no idea what their plan is.

I think 30% would give him another 47 or so innings to use this season. But yea they are going to have to move him to the pen or phantom IL him at some point soonish. 47 innings is about 9 or 10 more starts