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Re: 2025 Draft & College Hoops 

Post#261 » by BurningHeart » Wed Jun 25, 2025 7:55 pm

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BurningHeart wrote:Who has the strongest heart, character, motor and work ethic?

Take the most talented guy that exhibits those qualities the most. Always.

This team needs a complete enema. Start by getting guys who give a **** about something more than themselves.


These traits you're looking at in the Top 10 are Colin Murray Boyles and maybe Maluach. And at 29, EASILY you target:

1- Adou Thiero.
2- Drake Powell.
3- Johnni Broome.


I'll take this "Murray Boyles" if he chooses just ONE last name to go by haha.

Well, Gilgeous-Alexander seems to be working out.
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Re: 2025 Draft & College Hoops 

Post#262 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:12 pm

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Re: 2025 Draft & College Hoops 

Post#263 » by RaisingArizona » Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:53 pm

oh man I want Queen :(
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Re: 2025 Draft & College Hoops 

Post#264 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:45 pm

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RaisingArizona wrote:Zimmerman said he had some Boogie in him and thought that was interesting

I mean....Cousins pre-draft was already 6'11, 290lbs with a 7'6 wingspan while putting up 23/15/3blks in 23.5mpg. CMB is just under 6'8 240lbs and put up respectable 20/10 in 30mpg. I'm not sure what Zimmerman was looking at.


I am pretty sure he was talking about Derik Queen, not Collin Murray-Boyles.

COmpletely right. I got things mixed up.

Queen - Nice offensive package but defensively, I just don't think he'll get there at the NBA level and that's a real worry for me.
CMB - Don't like his size at all and as mentioned previously, I think he's done great at the college level but I do think the size will be a much bigger obstacle for him to overcome at the NBA level.
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Re: 2025 Draft & College Hoops 

Post#265 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:49 pm

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Ghost of Kleine wrote:The thing about Queen is that he's not elite athletically ( 28 inch vertical), not fast or fluid laterally (in combine testing) with and only 6'9 with a 7 ft wingspan. He's also relatively slow footed with a 3.27 shuttle time and 3.25 sprint time while also only shooting around 20% from three.

His defense and lateral mobility, fluidity and switchability overall are going to be huge concerns. And he'll probably land outside of the top 10 of the lottery more in the 13- 17 range possibly. Not at all a prospect that I'd consider in the top 14.

Queen is 6’9 ¼ barefoot, 247.8 lbs with a 7’0 ½" wingspan and 9’1 ½" standing reach.

That's enough size for any PF/C. He is 6'10 (some would even say 6'11) by NBA standards and his wingspan/standing reach are fine. Not great but enough.

Yeah, he is an offensive minded player but he doesn't look a potential liability on defense to me.

I would draft him at #10 over more limited players (3&D) like Carter Bryant.

Another positive about Queen is his production for a freshman. You just need to compare his numbers with Bryant to understand that Queen's floor is already much higher than Bryant who couldn't average 20 minutes per game.

There are concerns about Queen's motor which I am worried about. He's just doesn't have the overwhelming size and athletic gifts to offset a worrying motor. Even when you have overwhelming size and athletic gifts, like DA, a questionable motor is still a problem
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Re: 2025 Draft & College Hoops 

Post#266 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:52 pm

Saberestar wrote:Brian Kalbrosky:
Some intel about the Suns, who now own the No. 10 overall pick, after the Kevin Durant trade:

Cedric Coward worked out with Phoenix during the pre-draft process.

French PG Nolan Traroré also headlined a PHX workout earlier today.

Was watching some scouting videos on Coward and I really love what he brings. #10 does feel a bit high for him and ironically, NBAdraft has JJ as his comp lol
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Re: 2025 Draft & College Hoops 

Post#267 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:53 pm

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He's a big time value pick outside of the lottery. At #10 he's a stretch imo
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Re: 2025 Draft & College Hoops 

Post#268 » by RaisingArizona » Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:56 pm

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Saberestar wrote:Brian Kalbrosky:
Some intel about the Suns, who now own the No. 10 overall pick, after the Kevin Durant trade:

Cedric Coward worked out with Phoenix during the pre-draft process.

French PG Nolan Traroré also headlined a PHX workout earlier today.

Was watching some scouting videos on Coward and I really love what he brings. #10 does feel a bit high for him and ironically, NBAdraft has JJ as his comp lol

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Re: 2025 Draft & College Hoops 

Post#269 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Wed Jun 25, 2025 11:47 pm

I'm surprised to find that I'm actually in favor of Danny wolf. Love his motor and ball handling. But I like several prospects in our range so moving down would be great.
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Re: 2025 Draft & College Hoops 

Post#270 » by NavLDO » Thu Jun 26, 2025 12:03 am

No picks in the 1st with player positions that start with "S"...only postions that start with "P"...or "C"... 8-)
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Re: 2025 Draft & College Hoops 

Post#271 » by NotTraxxe » Thu Jun 26, 2025 12:16 am

Trade back for Wolf is what someone told me is being talked about but dumping Beal.

Hope not. I think it is not true but if it turns out just want it here for posterity sake!
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Re: 2025 Draft & College Hoops 

Post#272 » by thamadkant » Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:00 am

So Suns planning to trade from 10 to 12 (Bulls) for Bulls to trade Ball/Vucevic for Beal???

If it's just 2 spots.... not bad, but anything more would be stupid.
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Re: 2025 Draft & College Hoops 

Post#273 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:01 am

thamadkant wrote:So Suns planning to trade from 10 to 12 (Bulls) for Bulls to trade Ball/Vucevic for Beal???

If it's just 2 spots.... not bad, but anything more would be stupid.

I'd do it. Not a huge drop
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Re: 2025 Draft & College Hoops 

Post#274 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Jun 26, 2025 6:17 am

I'd love Cam Jones tomorrow but would probably require a trade up.
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Re: 2025 Draft & College Hoops 

Post#275 » by WeekapaugGroove » Yesterday 5:55 am

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lilfishi22 wrote:Hey Ghost, can you give me a list of 10 guys who are possibly in the range of where we're picking, including a few that might drop and a few who could be rising? Guys I should pay more attention to really


Sure man! :wink:

1- Cedric Coward- Rising.
Riser, was originally late 40s-50s' and rising quickly. Might jump our range though.

2- Maxime Raynaud- Rising.
Definitely a riser, started in late 40s to 50s, and might rise slightly outside of our range. Nut would he a steal if on the board at 29.

3- Adou Thiero- Rising.
Definitely has major steal potential in this draft. Currently in the early 30s, but has lottery talent as a defensive playmaker in the Anunoby mold. Even tracs similarly to Anunoby statistically and athletically and in measurements/ physicality.

4- Rasheer Fleming- Sliding.
Definitely very solid but falling a bit and may actually sneak into our range. Would be a very solid backup 4/5 option in the Mcdyess/ Andrew Nicholson mold.


5- Danny Wolf- Sliding.
Danny Wolf is very, very versatile for a 7 footer in the Jokic mold. Known as the Jewish Joker for his very similar style of play. Would be a solid get at 29, but his range is fairly wide currently and he may go.as high as 22, or low as 30.

6- Jo'an Beringer. Sliding (slightly).
Beringer at 6'11 with a 7'5 wingspan and top notch mobility would be a steal for us at backup center. Currently in the early 20s, but could slide to 29, by virtue of how raw he is. He projects along the lines of a Jarrett Allen/ Nik Claxton archetype big.

7- Will Riley- Sliding.
At 6'8-6'9, Riley is a very similar archetype to Cam Johnson. But he's been sliding a bit due to his poor shooting struggles being at around 32% from three. But his form is solid and he has versatility and size at SF/ PF.

8- Ryan Kalkbrenner- Rising.
Kalkbrenner is moving up slowly but surely due to his size and versatility. He's 7'2, mobile and a very similar archetype to Brook Lopez. Currently in the mid to early 30s ranges, but should be available at 29, and would absolutely be a solid defensive backup center for the next decade, if not a starter at some point.

9- Ben Saraf- Sliding a bit.
Saraf at 6'5 is a very adept ball handler and passing savant in the mold of a Goran Dragic and Manu Ginobli type cutter/ ballhandler. But is sliding due his lack of translatable athleticism/ speed.

And his average shooting and concerns over his ability to adapt to the physicality and athleticism of the NBA. he'd still be a very solid get and potential lottery value steal at 29, IF he can translate well to the NBA level athleticism and physicality. Otherwise he could bust! He's the ultimate boom/ bust prospect risk.

10- Kobe Brea- Rising.
Brea is simply the very best at most efficient shooter in the draft and all of college basketball. He started in the late 50s to undrafted ranges, but gas climbed significantly due to the majority of high end talent withdrawing.

Still, he's such a great shooter, that he easily projects very similarly to Klay Thompson as a potential high end starter because his shooting is just that good.

Hidden Gem risers! ( mid to late 2nd extreme value potential steals).

1- Sion James- Rising.
Currently in the 40s, Sion James is as close as you can find to an efficient/ poised mix of Marcus Smart and Lou Dort defensively! He's a power guard/ wing with Lebronesque athleticism too.

2- John Tonje- Rising.
Currently in the mid 40s range but moving up. Tonje is honestly as close as you might find to a statistical/ archetype doppelganger to Devin Booker in almost every aspect including efficiency. His build, athleticism and style of play are also very similar too. He's just surprisingly still flying way under the radar!

3- Vladislav Goldin- Slightly Rising.
Goldin at 7'1 264 lbs is a tough, physical throwback center very much in the Ivaca Zubac mold. And he's physical, dominant and versatile. He'd be an absolute steal as a physical, gritty, journeyman backup center with size.

4- Drake Powell- Rising.
Currently in the late 30s to early 40s. Powell is a very athletic, very tenacious 6'6 wing with a relentless motor and suffocating defense in the Josh Green archetype mold. He plays at a frenetic pace, has a developing smooth jumper, and is likely the best athlete in the entire draft. He's a mix of Matisse Thybulle and Josh Green.

5- Yannick Neiderhauser- Rising.
Currently in the early to mid 40s, and at 7'0 with a 7'3 wingspan and a 37 inch vertical, Neiderhauser is an athletic monster as a rim protecting 3 & D center. Yannick is very much in the Javale McGee/ Jackson Hayes archetype. And has a very solid journeyman backup center/ westside defender projection.


Good work Ghost! Suns hit on 2 of your dudes :D
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