The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3

[bwgood77]

What sites/YT channel are ya'll using to follow the draft?

streameast . app

It's on ABC.

[bwgood77]

Trade off Beal and ten to get Danny Wolf.

Two sources removed.

Well it does say Proposed trade Phoenix....I was hoping we wouldn't use it to trade Beal. Not surprised.

[Qwigglez]

What sites/YT channel are ya'll using to follow the draft?

streameast . app

It's on ABC.

ABC wants me to sign in to watch. Not doing all that.

[lilfishi22]

Trade off Beal and ten to get Danny Wolf.

Two sources removed.

Well it does say Proposed trade Phoenix....I was hoping we wouldn't use it to trade Beal. Not surprised.

Traxxe is back on draft day after what 6 years away? Love it

[bwgood77]

streameast . app

It's on ABC.

ABC wants me to sign in to watch. Not doing all that.

Oh, I just have an antenna.

[bwgood77]

Trade off Beal and ten to get Danny Wolf.

Two sources removed.

Well it does say Proposed trade Phoenix....I was hoping we wouldn't use it to trade Beal. Not surprised.

Traxxe is back on draft day after what 6 years away? Love it

I guess that Proposed Trade - Phoenix must refer to our trade with Houston since it still lists Houston at 10.

Gonna create a draft thread.

[Dr Manute]

Why is the NBA gifting the Texas teams - Dallas, Houston, & San Antonio?

[WeekapaugGroove]

Trade off Beal and ten to get Danny Wolf.

Two sources removed.

Well it does say Proposed trade Phoenix....I was hoping we wouldn't use it to trade Beal. Not surprised.

KD trade can't officially happen until 7/6 so that's why it says "proposed trade'

Trading 10 to get off Beal would be dumb as hell, so yeah might happen

[bwgood77]

Draft thread here... viewtopic.php?f=27&t=2465604

[lilfishi22]

Well it does say Proposed trade Phoenix....I was hoping we wouldn't use it to trade Beal. Not surprised.

Traxxe is back on draft day after what 6 years away? Love it

I guess that Proposed Trade - Phoenix must refer to our trade with Houston since it still lists Houston at 10.

Gonna create a draft thread.

It's still Houston at 10 because the trade isn't official until the 1 July

[lilfishi22]

There's really only one guy I have my eye on who I really would consider trying to move up for and that's Kasparas Jakucionis. But there's a decent chance he's gone by #8 or #9 since I think Toronto could use another playmaker. But if he's gone, then yeah I'd be open to moving back and grabbing Sorber and move up from #29 to get Fleming. It's two bigs but they do quite different stuff on the court and I love the prospect of having 2 dudes with like 7'5 wingspans

I like Fleming. Looks like an active defender who can finish at the rim and from 3 with great size. Just don't ask him to dribble

Getting him at 29 (or somewhere in the 20s if you can move around) is something I'd be very cool with.

Yeah I'm high on Fleming, bit of an older prospect but I love what he brings to the table right away.

We ended up with 3 dudes with 7'5 wingspans lol

[bwgood77]

On another note, it's absolutely amazing what Presti has done. Not only are they the 2nd youngest team to win a title, but they were missing their rookie lottery pick, Nikola Topic this year, so next year they have Sorber, nearly a lottery pick at 15, and last year's 12th pick in Topic, starting. Then the next 2 years they have their own firsts plus all these coming from other teams...(and more coming from other teams the years after that)...

[BobbieL]

On another note, it's absolutely amazing what Presti has done. Not only are they the 2nd youngest team to win a title, but they were missing their rookie lottery pick, Nikola Topic this year, so next year they have Sorber, nearly a lottery pick at 15, and last year's 12th pick in Topic, starting. Then the next 2 years they have their own firsts plus all these coming from other teams...(and more coming from other teams the years after that)...

Both Hartenstein and Dort have team options next year. So these two rookies have a year and if need be, those two players won't have their options picked up. Or like the Rockets did with FVV - rework the contract to a lower salary

Master class by Presti

I once read an article. I think he started at some summer camp. Got noticed by Popovich. He drove a beater sedan. Barely made any money. But he hung around the Spurs offices as the video assistant- so ate at the cafeteria to save money And I think Pop, Buford and Duncan would buy him lunches and dinners as well. And now, built a heckuva team. Patience, a vision and a very good owner.

[dremill24]

The one positive when talking about the cap, Book's future salary and our draft pick situation, is that with us having late first round picks (like we have the worst of 3-4 teams' first round pick in 27. 28, and 30) is that a late first round picks is pretty much the best cost controlled young talent contract you can have (of course if the player adds value on the court)...you retain the rights for 4 years with team options in years 3 and 4 and right to match a contract or extend after that.

When looking at our picks, I know we had originally swapped our 26 pick, but where it lists all the details here with our 28 and 30 pick it says ("with pick incoming") but with 26, it doesn't.

Did we somehow deal our 2026 pick in one of the trades we did since we had a 2027 pick from the 2031 unprotected pick trade? I know we gave up pick 29 and a 2029 first we got from the 2031 unprotected pick trade, but know we still have the 2027 pick we got and thought we had all our swaps for 26, 28 and 30.

But it doesn't appear by the language here that we have a 26 first.

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

Late 1st rookie contracts are certainly cost-effective but only if the player can play lol. The reason they're not as valuable is because you're so much less likely to get that at the end of the round. They're gonna have to nail some picks for any hope of escaping the wilderness here.

The '26 pick was dealt away in the Nurkic deal.

[Funky Tut]

IDK guys im pretty excited about what the FO has done with trades/draft. We are now a young team with some great potential with our younger guys. I am actually excited to watch basketball now, last years team was a buzzkill, I maybe watched 2-3 games, couldn't stomach it. We got younger and got some size. I am not epexcting a deep playoff push but I am excited to watch the youth.

[lilfishi22]

On another note, it's absolutely amazing what Presti has done. Not only are they the 2nd youngest team to win a title, but they were missing their rookie lottery pick, Nikola Topic this year, so next year they have Sorber, nearly a lottery pick at 15, and last year's 12th pick in Topic, starting. Then the next 2 years they have their own firsts plus all these coming from other teams...(and more coming from other teams the years after that)...

That PG trade to LAC really gave OKC an MVP and a legit starter (SGA/Jalen Williams) and now Sorber as well.

[Puff]

What are the penalties for the first apron?
The first apron hits when a team's payroll exceeds $172 million. At this point, the following restrictions are triggered:

Teams cannot acquire a player in a sign-and-trade if that player keeps them above the apron
Teams cannot sign a player waived during the regular season whose salary was over the $12.2 million midlevel exception
Salary matching in trades must be within 110 percent, rather than 125 percent for teams not above the apron
What are the penalties for the second apron?
All of the penalties for the first apron apply to the second apron as well, which is triggered when a team's salary exceeds $182.5 million. For the 2023-24 season, one additional penalty is added when crossing the second apron:

No access to the $5 million taxpayer midlevel exception
Starting at the end of the 2023-24 season, even more restrictions will be added to the second apron. These include:

Teams cannot use a trade exception generated by aggregating the salaries of multiple players
Teams cannot include cash in a trade
Teams cannot use a trade exception generated in a prior year
First-round picks seven years out are frozen (unable to be traded)
A team's first-round pick is moved to the end of the first round if they remain in the second apron for three out of five seasons
These penalties are much more stringent than under the old CBA. Previously, owners with deep pockets could go well into the luxury tax as long as they were willing to pay. Now, teams who enter the second apron will have difficulty adding any sort of new talent via trades or free agent acquisitions.

I found this information about teams over the 2nd apron. It does no describe the monetary penalties but that is Ishbia's problem. It appears that is why we have traded our first round picks. They go to the end of the first round. There are no penalties for 2nd round picks. It also does not say what happens to 1st picks that are acquired.

We are there and going nowhere for the next two years. That is when Beal's contract expires. Unless we get good value in return or contracts that expire prior to his current contract why should we trade him. That is as long as he wants to be here, and the head coach wants him. How the coach works the minute between Booker, Green and Beal is the question. I think it can be done.

Forget the money for a minute. Would you keep him? If not why not and what is the benefit to our team.

[WeekapaugGroove]

On another note, it's absolutely amazing what Presti has done. Not only are they the 2nd youngest team to win a title, but they were missing their rookie lottery pick, Nikola Topic this year, so next year they have Sorber, nearly a lottery pick at 15, and last year's 12th pick in Topic, starting. Then the next 2 years they have their own firsts plus all these coming from other teams...(and more coming from other teams the years after that)...

That PG trade to LAC really gave OKC an MVP and a legit starter (SGA/Jalen Williams) and now Sorber as well.

There is some irony that they hoarded all those picks yet their superstar was the actual player they got back in the PG trade.

That one didn't work out for LA but I honestly don't blame them for doing it.

[garrick]

I fully agree that the parameters of the deal as absurd; however, this is merely the way it is now as escalating salary creep has destroyed the league and the flexibility teams used to have with the cap. I'm all for players getting paid, but some of this just boggles the mind. And while the NBAP would never agree to it, I think they should reduce the scale of percentage against the cap. As of now, this is where we are:

Players with 10+ years of experience: Can sign for up to 35% of the salary cap.
Players with 7-9 years of experience: Can sign for up to 30% of the salary cap.
Players with 4-6 years of experience: Can sign for up to 25% of the salary cap.

Shave 5% off each tier and call it a day.

I would not be so worried about it IF Booker was TRULY a franchise player. A leader and pillar in the community. Leads this team to success. Leads by example. (Basically if he acted and conducted business like Larry Fitzgerald).

But Booker is barely an All-Star. Two of his all-Star appearances were injury replacement selections. Then this year when he played like trash and didn’t even get close to being considered he bitched and complained and blamed the league for his piss poor play and why he didn’t get selected. He’s never been voted in by fans (not that it matters but he doesn’t have national pull and that’s evident).

Wasting $70 freaking million of a borderline star is insanity and idiocracy.

Let's just tell Booker we can't afford $75mil a year for a team that doesn't even make the playoffs. If we make the Finals and he is All NBA first team then we can talk about Max money.

I'm all for attaching conditions for supermax contracts and it should be something the league should implement.

It's not really fair to the team if your supermaxed player is sitting on the bench all season with an injury or the player just declines aka Beal and you own a huge amount for a player who is not worth that giant contract.

[BobbieL]

What are the penalties for the first apron?
The first apron hits when a team's payroll exceeds $172 million. At this point, the following restrictions are triggered:

Teams cannot acquire a player in a sign-and-trade if that player keeps them above the apron
Teams cannot sign a player waived during the regular season whose salary was over the $12.2 million midlevel exception
Salary matching in trades must be within 110 percent, rather than 125 percent for teams not above the apron
What are the penalties for the second apron?
All of the penalties for the first apron apply to the second apron as well, which is triggered when a team's salary exceeds $182.5 million. For the 2023-24 season, one additional penalty is added when crossing the second apron:

No access to the $5 million taxpayer midlevel exception
Starting at the end of the 2023-24 season, even more restrictions will be added to the second apron. These include:

Teams cannot use a trade exception generated by aggregating the salaries of multiple players
Teams cannot include cash in a trade
Teams cannot use a trade exception generated in a prior year
First-round picks seven years out are frozen (unable to be traded)
A team's first-round pick is moved to the end of the first round if they remain in the second apron for three out of five seasons
These penalties are much more stringent than under the old CBA. Previously, owners with deep pockets could go well into the luxury tax as long as they were willing to pay. Now, teams who enter the second apron will have difficulty adding any sort of new talent via trades or free agent acquisitions.

I found this information about teams over the 2nd apron. It does no describe the monetary penalties but that is Ishbia's problem. It appears that is why we have traded our first round picks. They go to the end of the first round. There are no penalties for 2nd round picks. It also does not say what happens to 1st picks that are acquired.

We are there and going nowhere for the next two years. That is when Beal's contract expires. Unless we get good value in return or contracts that expire prior to his current contract why should we trade him. That is as long as he wants to be here, and the head coach wants him. How the coach works the minute between Booker, Green and Beal is the question. I think it can be done.

Forget the money for a minute. Would you keep him? If not why not and what is the benefit to our team.

I am on board riding it out with him . Get the big prize

So hopefully can manage Royce and Allen and just get by the next two years