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ThisGuyFawkes wrote:GoBlue72391 wrote:ThisGuyFawkes wrote:
Then he's still very long and athletic?
6'11" with 7'0" wingspan is closer to average than anything else and his 35.5 max vert is good but not special.
Yeah, but he's not a center. He's a wing. So very long, fluid, and athletic.
WookieOnRitalin wrote:Game 1. It's where the series is truly 0-0.
GoBlue72391 wrote:Chi town wrote:GoBlue72391 wrote:I meant in terms of bust potential. This is the definition of a boom or bust pick.
Totally disagree.
Noa has a strong floor due to his D, motor, IQ for steals and blocks and IQ on cuts for dunks and lobs. He has a sky high FT rate that helps him a ton.
His floor is what he is now: a player who couldn't get minutes in the German league playoffs.
It's entirely possible he doesn't improve at all or barely improves. Look at Pat, Terry, Phillips, etc. They're the same player they were when they were drafted. Hell, Pat is worse.
Not saying that's what's gonna happen with Essengue but you can't rule it out.
2weekswithpay wrote:I like the pick, but I also don't see the high upside unless he learns how to score in the halfcourt.
Bulliever2020 wrote:Midwest219 wrote:Bulliever2020 wrote:I'm extremely glad we went with seemingly the big swing here.
KJ is going to be a solid player but we need guys with the potential to be stars.
Props to AK for not going the safe route.
And I just love watching these types of young players develop.
I don't trust the Bulls development staff at all to do so but I'm all in on this guy.
Welcome to Chicago, Noa!
huh?
you're all over the place you make no sense.
Read that again slowly. KJ = Kasparas Jakucionis which a large portion of our fanbase seemed to prefer with the pick. Which is why I referred to him.
I don't trust our development staff but I still have high hopes for this kid. Don't know what's hard to understand about that.
Indomitable wrote:GoBlue72391 wrote:ThisGuyFawkes wrote:
Then he's still very long and athletic?
6'11" with 7'0" wingspan is closer to average than anything else and his 35.5 max vert is good but not special.
Actually for a 6'11 player his vertical is excellent.
Chi town wrote:GoBlue72391 wrote:Chi town wrote:
Totally disagree.
Noa has a strong floor due to his D, motor, IQ for steals and blocks and IQ on cuts for dunks and lobs. He has a sky high FT rate that helps him a ton.
His floor is what he is now: a player who couldn't get minutes in the German league playoffs.
It's entirely possible he doesn't improve at all or barely improves. Look at Pat, Terry, Phillips, etc. They're the same player they were when they were drafted. Hell, Pat is worse.
Not saying that's what's gonna happen with Essengue but you can't rule it out.
Sure. Anyone can bust. Your examples don’t fit.
A bit more nuanced than that.
None of those players have Noa’s body and measurables with his motor.
ThisGuyFawkes wrote:2weekswithpay wrote:I like the pick, but I also don't see the high upside unless he learns how to score in the halfcourt.
62% finishing at the rim in half court. 86% finishing on fast breaks.
Mostly cutting and finding a gap in the defense off-ball. Then 31 dunks in the halfcourt. He's going to put it in the hole or get fouled trying.
Finishing was a mixed bag. Great in transition but was all over map in half court. Unless he gets a head of steam, he can be
more below-the-rim than expected. Made 62 percent of his attempts at the rim in half court but only 47 percent of his layups
this season, which is a low number for his size. Good at getting fouled and not afraid of contact but isn’t great at maintaining
his touch through bumps around the rim. Because he’s not that strong through his lower half, he doesn’t seem to absorb
contact well. Also doesn’t seem able to initiate contact to separate.
Midwest219 wrote:Bulliever2020 wrote:Midwest219 wrote:
huh?
you're all over the place you make no sense.
Read that again slowly. KJ = Kasparas Jakucionis which a large portion of our fanbase seemed to prefer with the pick. Which is why I referred to him.
I don't trust our development staff but I still have high hopes for this kid. Don't know what's hard to understand about that.
Brodie, i've read you clear as glass...
You got mood swings.
Midwest219 wrote:Bulliever2020 wrote:I'm extremely glad we went with seemingly the big swing here.
KJ is going to be a solid player but we need guys with the potential to be stars.
Props to AK for not going the safe route.
And I just love watching these types of young players develop.
I don't trust the Bulls development staff at all to do so but I'm all in on this guy.
Welcome to Chicago, Noa!
huh?
you're all over the place you make no sense.
2weekswithpay wrote:ThisGuyFawkes wrote:2weekswithpay wrote:I like the pick, but I also don't see the high upside unless he learns how to score in the halfcourt.
62% finishing at the rim in half court. 86% finishing on fast breaks.
Mostly cutting and finding a gap in the defense off-ball. Then 31 dunks in the halfcourt. He's going to put it in the hole or get fouled trying.
Only on dunks. From Vecenie.Finishing was a mixed bag. Great in transition but was all over map in half court. Unless he gets a head of steam, he can be
more below-the-rim than expected. Made 62 percent of his attempts at the rim in half court but only 47 percent of his layups
this season, which is a low number for his size. Good at getting fouled and not afraid of contact but isn’t great at maintaining
his touch through bumps around the rim. Because he’s not that strong through his lower half, he doesn’t seem to absorb
contact well. Also doesn’t seem able to initiate contact to separate.
In the halfcourt, he's only effective as a cut and dunk guy.
ThisGuyFawkes wrote:2weekswithpay wrote:I like the pick, but I also don't see the high upside unless he learns how to score in the halfcourt.
62% finishing at the rim in half court. 86% finishing on fast breaks.
Mostly cutting and finding a gap in the defense off-ball. Then 31 dunks in the halfcourt. He's going to put it in the hole or get fouled trying.
GoBlue72391 wrote:ThisGuyFawkes wrote:GoBlue72391 wrote:6'11" with 7'0" wingspan is closer to average than anything else and his 35.5 max vert is good but not special.
Yeah, but he's not a center. He's a wing. So very long, fluid, and athletic.
Lauri is 7'0" with a 6'11" wingspan and his lack of length has always been a notable hindrance for him.
6'11" height with 7'0" wingspan is barely different and they're both big wings.
nomorezorro wrote:lauri markkannen's length has been a hindrance for him?
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