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Re: Off season, free agency, coaching change. 

Post#241 » by Roscoe Sheed » Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:54 pm

Acquiring Collins and Sexton would definitely upgrade the team- it would allow Kawhi to play mostly at the 3 and Sexton is a very solid guard on both ends- would add a 2nd ball handler that the team desperately needs.
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Re: Off season, free agency, coaching change. 

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Re: Off season, free agency, coaching change. 

Post#243 » by TrueLAfan » Wed Jun 25, 2025 5:13 pm

Captain Ballmer wrote:Kyrie extended for 3/120 while nursing an injury.

Now I can't see a way Harden settles for another 1+1 year extension around 40 Million. :o If do, would be a major win for Frank.


Actually, this is a pay cut for Kyrie—he was due to get $43 million. My gues s is that this deal is structured to stay the same or descend—so something like $38.5 million, $40.5 million, $40 million. It’s what I think we’re going to see more and more of—not-quite max salaries. He’ll be 35 at the end of the deal, which isn’t too bad. And he was having a(nother) great year before getting injured. It’s a decent deal. Harden’s main advantages on Kyrie are distribution and—surprisingly—durability. Age works against him, though, and Kyrie’s equal or better in most areas. I don’t know of Harden is worth Kyrie’s extension amount per year. Close.

I don’t think Collins is worth what he’s getting paid. The thing is, both he and Sexton are on expiring deals. This season is basically a kick-the-tires and see how it works. If Collins is able to be impactful, he’ll be worth an extension. If he doesn’t, he won’t. Same with Sexton. The thing is that trading Bogie and Powell—which is what it would be—for Collins and Sexton is that we take on some salary, but we get a positional fill with Collins and we get markedly younger. Enough younger to throw in the #30 pick—which, if I’m Utah, I’m asking for? Tough call. I will say that a lineup of

Zubac
Collins
Kawhi
Sexton
Harden

DJJ
Dunn
Batum
Yabusele
Coffey (resigned)

…sounds pretty good for a 10 man rotation. We’d have part of the exception to spend too. Food for thought.

Ballings7 wrote:I would like geting Xaiver Tillman at backup big. Always liked his game as a tough utility big who is an agile defender, he showed he can shoot the three ok earlier in his career with Memphis. Not over 30 either : )

Hasn't had the same kind of role with Boston as he did with Memphis on those playoff teams.

Get two different strong looks against Jokic with Zubac, and Tillman.

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Xavier-Tillman-Sr/Summary/88905

I bet he'll be able to be had with Boston basically setting up the tanks for next Fall.

I like Tillman and think we could get him fairly cheap, but if we’re going that route and not going after Yabusele, I think Precious Achiuwa is also a good FA target. Small ball 5, good size for 4, can defend big 3s. Good motor. Still under 26. Either of those guys would work, but I’d push more for Achiuwa.

If we’re looking at a trade, the guy I would be trying to get via sign and trade is Santi Aldama. The Grizz have to extend JJJ and I’m not 100% sure they’re going to do it. Morant’s extension is a big and doesn’t look all that great right now. KCP is on the books for another two years. So is Brandon Clarke. Those guys are good players … but they’re going to take up about $68 million in cap space in the next two years. They’ve got some good—but not great—young depth. I can’t see them offering Aldama 4 years/$90 million. But I would. Trade Bogie and Eubanks—Eubanks isn’t guaranteed, so he can be cut—and the second rounders we got from Atlanta, and they save a lot in the long run.
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Re: Off season, free agency, coaching change. 

Post#244 » by wakelaunch1 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 7:53 pm

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Bobbymcgee wrote:Clippers invested five and a half seasons into Terrance Mann and the Hawks dumped him after seeing him play on their team for thirty games.

I kind of feel bad for Mann- he plays hard and has many NBA skills. He just never developed his offensive skills to be very effective- mainly usually isn't aggressive enough


He really needed to have that hyper aggressive insane work ethic to become an elite defender which he could have been. Its hard to have a passive non shooter, on the court. He had one of the best shots of all time in a Clipper uni and he was very likeable and friendly. Hes a got a couple more years as a back of the bench role player in the league left.
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Post#245 » by Ballings7 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 11:04 pm

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Captain Ballmer wrote:Kyrie extended for 3/120 while nursing an injury.

Now I can't see a way Harden settles for another 1+1 year extension around 40 Million. :o If do, would be a major win for Frank.


Actually, this is a pay cut for Kyrie—he was due to get $43 million. My gues s is that this deal is structured to stay the same or descend—so something like $38.5 million, $40.5 million, $40 million. It’s what I think we’re going to see more and more of—not-quite max salaries. He’ll be 35 at the end of the deal, which isn’t too bad. And he was having a(nother) great year before getting injured. It’s a decent deal. Harden’s main advantages on Kyrie are distribution and—surprisingly—durability. Age works against him, though, and Kyrie’s equal or better in most areas. I don’t know of Harden is worth Kyrie’s extension amount per year. Close.

I don’t think Collins is worth what he’s getting paid. The thing is, both he and Sexton are on expiring deals. This season is basically a kick-the-tires and see how it works. If Collins is able to be impactful, he’ll be worth an extension. If he doesn’t, he won’t. Same with Sexton. The thing is that trading Bogie and Powell—which is what it would be—for Collins and Sexton is that we take on some salary, but we get a positional fill with Collins and we get markedly younger. Enough younger to throw in the #30 pick—which, if I’m Utah, I’m asking for? Tough call. I will say that a lineup of

Zubac
Collins
Kawhi
Sexton
Harden

DJJ
Dunn
Batum
Yabusele
Coffey (resigned)

…sounds pretty good for a 10 man rotation. We’d have part of the exception to spend too. Food for thought.

Ballings7 wrote:I would like geting Xaiver Tillman at backup big. Always liked his game as a tough utility big who is an agile defender, he showed he can shoot the three ok earlier in his career with Memphis. Not over 30 either : )

Hasn't had the same kind of role with Boston as he did with Memphis on those playoff teams.

Get two different strong looks against Jokic with Zubac, and Tillman.

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Xavier-Tillman-Sr/Summary/88905

I bet he'll be able to be had with Boston basically setting up the tanks for next Fall.

I like Tillman and think we could get him fairly cheap, but if we’re going that route and not going after Yabusele, I think Precious Achiuwa is also a good FA target. Small ball 5, good size for 4, can defend big 3s. Good motor. Still under 26. Either of those guys would work, but I’d push more for Achiuwa.

If we’re looking at a trade, the guy I would be trying to get via sign and trade is Santi Aldama. The Grizz have to extend JJJ and I’m not 100% sure they’re going to do it. Morant’s extension is a big and doesn’t look all that great right now. KCP is on the books for another two years. So is Brandon Clarke. Those guys are good players … but they’re going to take up about $68 million in cap space in the next two years. They’ve got some good—but not great—young depth. I can’t see them offering Aldama 4 years/$90 million. But I would. Trade Bogie and Eubanks—Eubanks isn’t guaranteed, so he can be cut—and the second rounders we got from Atlanta, and they save a lot in the long run.


Be a nice off season if got 2-3 of those guys.

Getting John Collins would be interesting and a all-around decent upgrade at big, addresses multiple issues (not all of them, but its an improvement for sure) the team has to balance the roster out, expand overall talent at PF. I think Collins would be better than most people think too.

Collins would be another guy for Harden to pair with on lobs/cuts/quick-posts, and also out kick out to for threes. And Zubac too. Defensive consistency and overall IQ is what I wonder about based off some things I've gathered/heard.. I think this team's defense would help blend him in enough if anything, and Collins is a capable rebounder.

Sexton, I haven't seen too much of, but from what I have seen I like. Brings something the team hasn't really had in awhile at guard, and desperately does need to attack with agility, creativity. Better offensive threat overall than Dunn, of course. I would imagine he's gotten more disciplined since his Cleveland days.

Achiuwa is solid and impactful as a hustle big and all-around defender.. be a good add for sure.
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Post#246 » by wakelaunch1 » Thu Jun 26, 2025 3:37 am

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Post#249 » by KL2 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 1:56 pm

It’s been rough since Leonard left but I’d love to see him work his magic here.

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Post#250 » by MartinToVaught » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:20 pm

Five years ago, I'd have been all in on Masai, but he seems to have lost his mojo and has barely made any good moves in years. Sure, he's still better than Frank, but that's a bar so low, you could step over it.
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Post#251 » by Clemenza » Fri Jun 27, 2025 4:49 pm

MartinToVaught wrote:Five years ago, I'd have been all in on Masai, but he seems to have lost his mojo and has barely made any good moves in years. Sure, he's still better than Frank, but that's a bar so low, you could step over it.

The teams location has always hindered him big time. He would work wonders for a team on American soil.



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Post#252 » by MartinToVaught » Fri Jun 27, 2025 6:19 pm

Clemenza wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:Five years ago, I'd have been all in on Masai, but he seems to have lost his mojo and has barely made any good moves in years. Sure, he's still better than Frank, but that's a bar so low, you could step over it.

The teams location has always hindered him big time. He would work wonders for a team on American soil.

No doubt, it's harder for a GM in Toronto, but his problems in recent years have been about questionable drafting, a weird roster construction with ill-fitting and redundant players, and waiting too long to trade certain players and missing out on the maximum value he could have gotten for them during their rebuild. I don't think you can blame any of those on their market, nor do I think simply moving to an American team will magically fix everything.

I'm just not sure Masai's on the cutting edge anymore like he was from around 2014-2019. That was an all-time run, and the type of executive who can keep that up longterm is very rare.
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Post#253 » by hoopsfan777 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 8:53 pm

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Post#254 » by wakelaunch1 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 11:12 pm

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i wouldnt watch another game next season. I would literally stop if we ever took on that worthless contract. He is the opposite of winning. Little effort, always hurt, insanely priced. He should be playing for a vet minimum and he is lucky he is still in the league. He is living off of a player who was decent 6 years ago.
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Post#255 » by KL2 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 1:41 am

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NAW is the only player that makes us younger. Not sure what his value is.

Lopez and CP3 make us archaic. Bobby P is up there as well. Lopez and Portis give us size and shooting.
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NAW is the only player that makes us younger. Not sure what his value is.

Lopez and CP3 make us archaic. Bobby P is up there as well. Lopez and Portis give us size and shooting.


Portis may not make the team "younger", I agree.. but also not really older either. Just in comparison to CP3/Lopez, Portis isn't "up there" like those guys.. Portis is 30.

Lopez/CP3, those guys are both well past 35, and clearly in the end of their careers. Both are still serviceable in their own ways, but shouldn't be starting/finishing games for most teams on a regular basis.

Portis turned 30 in Februrary, and doesn't rely on his athleticism, quickness too much. The main thing he may begin to lose in his game as he ages is decreased ability to defend certain wings and guards as well, when switched onto them.

Portis would be a welcome addition to the team at starting PF, and ideal partner for Zubac up front. He still has a few prime years left.
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Post#259 » by KL2 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 3:17 pm

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Post#260 » by KL2 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 3:32 pm

Vegas SL roster so far:

Patrick Baldwin
Seth Lundy
yanic konan niederhauser
john poulakidas (SL contract)
Kobe Sanders
jahmyl telfort (exhibit 10)

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