Magic Offseason Finances Update

[anothermagicfan]

Awesome breakdown. Thanks knightro.

I have 2 things. First can you do a breakdown of next year for what's on the books including what Paolo extension looks like?

Second we have the money spent on center depth because our starting center has been really unreliable. Last season was the most games he's ever played in a season and he was awful. Anybody know the magic record in the last 2 seasons with and without WCJ? And he's going up to 18-20 million for the 3 following season after this next season.

Side note JI could only cost 8 million a season

[RookieStar]

The guy's in a contract year so he's not going to say he's wrecked, but it'd be also foolis to create false hope around a return and then miss it. Take with a pinch of salt, but it sounds like he's on track.

Yes but remember we are the Orlando Magic.

Reports saying Franz/Paolo was ready to go right now after their obliques but our org extended it to some additonal few week latwe

Franz said that his oblique may have contributed to his poor shooting after he came back. Paolo also shot terrible for a month after he came back. I remember Bane struggling for a while after he came back from his, too.



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We arent talking about effectiveness after injury yet. We are talking about how conservatie we are in allowing our guys to come back after injuries

[jezzerinho]

Yes but remember we are the Orlando Magic.

Reports saying Franz/Paolo was ready to go right now after their obliques but our org extended it to some additonal few week latwe

Franz said that his oblique may have contributed to his poor shooting after he came back. Paolo also shot terrible for a month after he came back. I remember Bane struggling for a while after he came back from his, too.



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We arent talking about effectiveness after injury yet. We are talking about how conservatie we are in allowing our guys to come back after injuries

Fine but if Moe is on track for season start and the Magic want to hold him out longer as a precaution, why would Moe entertain a salary discount just to appease the FO?

Moe is a proud guy who isn't even looking for more than his talent demands. If you think, based on his play, he's worth less than the 11m he's already on, I'd like to hear why.

So he's gonna take a 4m paycut to help out the Magic, so they can pay his little bro 35m?

Sure.

[basketballRob]

Franz said that his oblique may have contributed to his poor shooting after he came back. Paolo also shot terrible for a month after he came back. I remember Bane struggling for a while after he came back from his, too.



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We arent talking about effectiveness after injury yet. We are talking about how conservatie we are in allowing our guys to come back after injuries

Fine but if Moe is on track for season start and the Magic want to hold him out longer as a precaution, why would Moe entertain a salary discount just to appease the FO?

Moe is a proud guy who isn't even looking for more than his talent demands. If you think, based on his play, he's worth less than the 11m he's already on, I'd like to hear why.

So he's gonna take a 4m paycut to help out the Magic, so they can pay his little bro 35m?

Sure.

Last season, Moe was injured, and now he needs to prove himself. There is no guarantee he'll be as effective. Fultz wasn't the same after his ACL.

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[anothermagicfan]

Let's say we want to really take our shot. Forget mle but create cap space.

Nets have a bunch of picks and a big trade exception.
We offer WCJ/JI/#25
For Drew Timme(1.9mil) and a couple of upcoming firsts to fill in the gaps for the years with no first round picks

Would that give us enough room to go sign Myles Turner? He's an unrestricted free agent with a taste for the title and who knows if he'll ever be in the same position again. Indy is a totally different team without Tyrese. They are not competing next year.


Timme would be Mr #14 just for salary purposes and a little bit of extra depth at the 4.

[RookieStar]

Franz said that his oblique may have contributed to his poor shooting after he came back. Paolo also shot terrible for a month after he came back. I remember Bane struggling for a while after he came back from his, too.



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We arent talking about effectiveness after injury yet. We are talking about how conservatie we are in allowing our guys to come back after injuries

Fine but if Moe is on track for season start and the Magic want to hold him out longer as a precaution, why would Moe entertain a salary discount just to appease the FO?

Moe is a proud guy who isn't even looking for more than his talent demands. If you think, based on his play, he's worth less than the 11m he's already on, I'd like to hear why.

So he's gonna take a 4m paycut to help out the Magic, so they can pay his little bro 35m?

Sure.

Honestly? If he is 100% back to pre-injury Moe vn with his defensive warts l, i think he is worth more than 11m. He was the 2nd highest scoring 6th man behind only bobby portis if i remember correctly.

However, not everything and everyone is the same. So in fairness for all, i think 1st yr should be a discount/prove it type of contract and then get paid accordingly. But thats in a perfect world.

[basketballRob]

We arent talking about effectiveness after injury yet. We are talking about how conservatie we are in allowing our guys to come back after injuries

Fine but if Moe is on track for season start and the Magic want to hold him out longer as a precaution, why would Moe entertain a salary discount just to appease the FO?

Moe is a proud guy who isn't even looking for more than his talent demands. If you think, based on his play, he's worth less than the 11m he's already on, I'd like to hear why.

So he's gonna take a 4m paycut to help out the Magic, so they can pay his little bro 35m?

Sure.

Honestly? If he is 100% back to pre-injury Moe vn with his defensive warts l, i think he is worth more than 11m. He was the 2nd highest scoring 6th man behind only bobby portis if i remember correctly.

However, not everything and everyone is the same. So in fairness for all, i think 1st yr should be a discount/prove it type of contract and then get paid accordingly. But thats in a perfect world.

I don't think he'd get $7m next season from any other team.

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[jezzerinho]

If he's ready for season start you bet he will.

[RookieStar]

Fine but if Moe is on track for season start and the Magic want to hold him out longer as a precaution, why would Moe entertain a salary discount just to appease the FO?

Moe is a proud guy who isn't even looking for more than his talent demands. If you think, based on his play, he's worth less than the 11m he's already on, I'd like to hear why.

So he's gonna take a 4m paycut to help out the Magic, so they can pay his little bro 35m?

Sure.

Honestly? If he is 100% back to pre-injury Moe vn with his defensive warts l, i think he is worth more than 11m. He was the 2nd highest scoring 6th man behind only bobby portis if i remember correctly.

However, not everything and everyone is the same. So in fairness for all, i think 1st yr should be a discount/prove it type of contract and then get paid accordingly. But thats in a perfect world.

I don't think he'd get $7m next season from any other team.

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Oh he will. 7m is cheap for the new salary cap. If a team is patient to tank next season while making sure he is back to 100% i think they can afford Moe in a say 15m/yr.

Like i said... 2nd leading benh scorer in the league. This season and playoffs shows that the least injured team remains standing. You need bench production.

[Knightro]

Silly question. Can you clarify this? If they don't waive Mo, can they go above the first apron using the full midlevel exception? Or is it just the amount that gets them to the hard cap/first apron - $1,325 million? I'm confused because you said they would be hard capped if they got access to their full midlevel exception, but then wouldn't they not be able to use the full midlevel exception?

Sure.

The Magic right now are over the luxury tax, which means currently they only have access to the smaller taxpayer midlevel exception.

In order to get access to the larger non-taxpayer midlevel exception, they would have to move below the luxury tax.

If they decline Moe's option, that would move them below the luxury tax and allow them to use the full MLE.

If they do not decline Moe's option, it is still possible that they could still dip below the luxury tax, but it would be more difficult and would take other transactions - namely a trade or trades that move them off Jett, Isaac, Goga or Carter while taking significantly less or no salary back in return.

However... if they do use the full 14.1M MLE, it will trigger a hard cap for them at the first apron which is $195.945M. That means they cannot exceed that amount by even a single dollar.

If they decline Moe, which is the easiest path, they would put them approximately 12.3M below the first apron, so they would only be able to spend 12.3 of the 14.1M available to them due to the hard cap.

[Orlando Dawg]

Assuming no changes to Mo Wagner’s contract,
Can the Magic decline Jett’s 3rd year and if so would it mean they could get a free agent?

[Knightro]

Assuming no changes to Mo Wagner’s contract,
Can the Magic decline Jett’s 3rd year and if so would it mean they could get a free agent?

Negative.

They've already picked up Jett's third season. They had to do that a full year in advance.

[OrlandoDream]

Assuming no changes to Mo Wagner’s contract,
Can the Magic decline Jett’s 3rd year and if so would it mean they could get a free agent?

I don't expect him to be on the team past this year. Its time to cut out losses. We are just wasting a roster spot on a bust.

[Skybox]

We arent talking about effectiveness after injury yet. We are talking about how conservatie we are in allowing our guys to come back after injuries

Fine but if Moe is on track for season start and the Magic want to hold him out longer as a precaution, why would Moe entertain a salary discount just to appease the FO?

Moe is a proud guy who isn't even looking for more than his talent demands. If you think, based on his play, he's worth less than the 11m he's already on, I'd like to hear why.

So he's gonna take a 4m paycut to help out the Magic, so they can pay his little bro 35m?

Sure.

Honestly? If he is 100% back to pre-injury Moe vn with his defensive warts l, i think he is worth more than 11m. He was the 2nd highest scoring 6th man behind only bobby portis if i remember correctly.

However, not everything and everyone is the same. So in fairness for all, i think 1st yr should be a discount/prove it type of contract and then get paid accordingly. But thats in a perfect world.

Consider that Portis makes $13.4 and he's an excellent defender...poor defending C's just don't have a big market...we love him because we can pair him with defenders...there's a reason he's NEVER discussed as a starter, regardless of who's injured. We love having him in a role that brings out his best, but he's not really a big draw league-wide, especially when he's hurt.

[drsd]

Awesome breakdown. Thanks knightro.

I have 2 things. First can you do a breakdown of next year for what's on the books including what Paolo extension looks like?

Second we have the money spent on center depth because our starting center has been really unreliable. Last season was the most games he's ever played in a season and he was awful. Anybody know the magic record in the last 2 seasons with and without WCJ? And he's going up to 18-20 million for the 3 following season after this next season.

Side note JI could only cost 8 million a season

Assuming that Banchero will be on a 42M contract in year-1 of his new deal, this is what I have as a current commitment:

Paolo Banchero 42,000,000
Franz Wagner 41,754,636
Desmond Bane 39,446,090
Jalen Suggs 32,400,000
Wendell Carter 18,102,000
Jonathan Isaac 14,500,000
Anthony Black* 10,105,996
Goga Bitadze 7,608,696
Jett Howard* 7,337,655
Tristan da Silva* 3,991,200
Jase Richarson 3,132,360

Total 220,378,633

* = likely on team options that would be picked up.

That is only 11 players, and Black and this starts already over the 1st apron projected at 215,505,000 for 2026/27. (second apron at 228,572,000).
The Magic MUST add three players to the above, which can be done in the 8M of apron space to avoid being over the 2nd apron.

A huge amount of this will depend i) on what decision is made for M-Wagner and Houstan, and ii) future trades that are certain.

But as of today, the Magic is over the 1st apron next year.

[RookieStar]

Fine but if Moe is on track for season start and the Magic want to hold him out longer as a precaution, why would Moe entertain a salary discount just to appease the FO?

Moe is a proud guy who isn't even looking for more than his talent demands. If you think, based on his play, he's worth less than the 11m he's already on, I'd like to hear why.

So he's gonna take a 4m paycut to help out the Magic, so they can pay his little bro 35m?

Sure.

Honestly? If he is 100% back to pre-injury Moe vn with his defensive warts l, i think he is worth more than 11m. He was the 2nd highest scoring 6th man behind only bobby portis if i remember correctly.

However, not everything and everyone is the same. So in fairness for all, i think 1st yr should be a discount/prove it type of contract and then get paid accordingly. But thats in a perfect world.

Consider that Portis makes $13.4 and he's an excellent defender...poor defending C's just don't have a big market...we love him because we can pair him with defenders...there's a reason he's NEVER discussed as a starter, regardless of who's injured. We love having him in a role that brings out his best, but he's not really a big draw league-wide, especially when he's hurt.

I think its really because of our anemic offense esp onnthr bench and the fact we cant rely on Paolo to protect the rim in the starting 5

[Skybox]

While the NAW conversation is sexy, barring something big happening trade-wise, I'd really consider just offering Gary Harris a $3m or even $4m deal to stick around as 4th or 5th guard and get to work on the frontcourt rotation as a bigger priority. At the same time, take a couple swings in the second round to see if you can get some cheap depth physical defender like Sion James.

Financially speaking, I'd happily let some other team take a crack at unlocking Howard in return for a high enough srp to nab Raynaud or Kalkbrenner...as useless as Jett has been, the kid can shoot and might still bloom elsewhere - in the meantime, ORL moves forward and saves $5m. I don't doubt that Jett might contribute elsewhere, but ORL has other priorities and challenges to address rather than continue hoping and waiting while trying to contend.

[Skybox]

Honestly? If he is 100% back to pre-injury Moe vn with his defensive warts l, i think he is worth more than 11m. He was the 2nd highest scoring 6th man behind only bobby portis if i remember correctly.

However, not everything and everyone is the same. So in fairness for all, i think 1st yr should be a discount/prove it type of contract and then get paid accordingly. But thats in a perfect world.

Consider that Portis makes $13.4 and he's an excellent defender...poor defending C's just don't have a big market...we love him because we can pair him with defenders...there's a reason he's NEVER discussed as a starter, regardless of who's injured. We love having him in a role that brings out his best, but he's not really a big draw league-wide, especially when he's hurt.

I think its really because of our anemic offense esp onnthr bench and the fact we cant rely on Paolo to protect the rim in the starting 5

Absolutely ...which would be the case with nearly every team...it's rare to have a tough-defending PF to cover for a soft defensive C...maybe Aaron Gordon/Jokic is the closest thing...but, Moe is certainly not Jokic. Ironically, how nice would Portis be off the bench next to Moe?

[Knightro]

this is what I have as a current commitment:

Jett Howard* 7,337,655
Total 220,378,633

I would be very surprised if the Magic exercised Jett's 4th year option based on what he's shown thus far in his career.

That $7.33M salary slot replaced by a 2nd round pick in either 2025 or 2026 feels very probable to me.

[Skybox]

this is what I have as a current commitment:

Jett Howard* 7,337,655
Total 220,378,633

I would be very surprised if the Magic exercised Jett's 4th year option based on what he's shown thus far in his career.

That $7.33M salary slot replaced by a 2nd round pick in either 2025 or 2026 feels very probable to me.

I really expect they might be looking to unload him this week if an opportunity presents...so they don't have to just jettison him as a public fail next summer.

I said elsewhere I'd be thrilled to get a high srp tonight for him (and save the money)