2025 Draft Thread - Part 3

[Jay81]

i don't think tre lasts til 6 is the problem.

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[Jay81]

Tre had 4 games that destroyed his stats

0-14
2-13
3-15
4-18

9-60

Without those 4 gamez …his shooting percentage is 46 percent



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[9 and 20]

Dawkins has draft 2 big guards in Bub and Tre and traded for another big (ish - definitely not small) guard in AJ Johnson.

Also several big-ish wings - Bilal, Riley, George.

Looks a lot like both Indiana and OKC, tbh. Plus each one has a guy who Sarr might one day approach - Myles Turner and Chet.

We better win the damn number one pick next year though. This year, I think Marcus Smart might be the heaviest guy on the roster. Champagnie is going to lead the team in rebounds.

Glad we traded Bey. Need to trade Kispert for something now too. Likely going to get a handful of second rounders but it is what it is at this point. Can't have both him and Middleton gumming things up.

[9 and 20]

I got to say, you guys are as miserable and pessimistic as we are except you're 7 deep and counting with 19-21 y/o kids with starter potential. I don't know if so many of you are horrible talent evaluators or conditioned to disappointment so crap on the young guys as a form of self preservation or defense mechanism but snap out of it. You have needed to do this for decades and it's finally happening. Let the cream rise to the top. One more tank year and with how strong next year's class is you're almost guaranteed to get that "engine" you feel you need

I think you're just reading a couple of very prolific Eeyore types. Not everyone is thrilled with every move, but it's nearly universal that this is the right overall approach. Bunch of young guys and a ton of cap space next year. Next year on the court might be hilariously nasty with no real bigs on the roster outside lightweight Alex Sarr, but it looks like that might be the core of the strategy to ensure the tank again.

[tontoz]

The strongest part of Tre's game is off ball but he was forced to be the primary ball handler a lot. He is fine as a secondary ball handler but the Texas offense really took away his biggest strength to a large degree.

As I mentioned before I watched Illinois several times to scout Kasparas who was mocked top 5 early in the season. Time and again I came away impressed with Riley and mentioned months ago that I would definitely consider him with our 2nd first rounder.

Like Ace his stats don't look impressive because he had some rough games early but his ball skills are advanced. He is really a 2/3. He isn't a 4 at all, not even part time. He definitely gets to the rim plenty.

[gesa2]

The best outcome of the draft might be the Suns trading for and drafting 2 redundant Centers who can’t switch and won’t be good on D yet this year. The worse they are the better our odds of the #1 pick next year

[NatP4]

What happened to “locked in on Fears” or “Tre isn’t their type” ?

[tontoz]

I was definitely Tre's biggest fan during the season. I would post about his games and the board's response was typically *crickets*. I had him at 4.

I was sure we had no chance to get him at 6. I am still shocked Kon went at 4.

[closg00]

Dawkins has draft 2 big guards in Bub and Tre and traded for another big (ish - definitely not small) guard in AJ Johnson.

Also several big-ish wings - Bilal, Riley, George.

Looks a lot like both Indiana and OKC, tbh. Plus each one has a guy who Sarr might one day approach - Myles Turner and Chet.

We better win the damn number one pick next year though. This year, I think Marcus Smart might be the heaviest guy on the roster. Champagnie is going to lead the team in rebounds.

Glad we traded Bey. Need to trade Kispert for something now too. Likely going to get a handful of second rounders but it is what it is at this point. Can't have both him and Middleton gumming things up.

They tried to trade Corey according to the leaks, but nothing transpired, they will try again.

[NatP4]

I was definitely Tre's biggest fan during the season. I would post about his games and the board's response was typically *crickets*. I had him at 4.

I was sure we had no chance to get him at 6. I am still shocked Kon went at 4.

Kon was at 4 on almost every major mock draft out there. The major curveball was Utah/Ace. After that, Tre is a fine pick IMO.

Atleast we didn’t pick Demin at 8. Tre is a much better pick than Fears or Maluach. I probably would’ve taken CMB but this team is clearly swinging for high upside offensive shot creation, can’t fault the approach.

Hopefully Tre really can lock in more on the defensive end when asked to carry a lower usage rate/reduced offensive role. He’s an easy player to root for with major offensive upside. This team is loaded with length.

[tontoz]

I was definitely Tre's biggest fan during the season. I would post about his games and the board's response was typically *crickets*. I had him at 4.

I was sure we had no chance to get him at 6. I am still shocked Kon went at 4.

Kon was at 4 on almost every major mock draft out there. The major curveball was Utah/Ace. After that, Tre is a fine pick IMO.

Atleast we didn’t pick Demin at 8. Tre is a much better pick than Fears or Maluach. I probably would’ve taken CMB but this team is clearly swinging for high upside offensive shot creation, can’t fault the approach.

Hopefully Tre really can lock in more on the defensive end when asked to carry a lower usage rate/reduced offensive role. He’s an easy player to root for with major offensive upside. This team is loaded with length.

Nobody had Kon at 4 prior to the lottery. The only reason he got mocked there recently is because word got out the Hornets liked him. I just had a hard time believing it.

[NatP4]

Same process with the Will Riley pick. They clearly don’t have interest in the ball dominant types like Jakicionis/Traore, or the players that don’t have good size like Richardson. Also stayed away from any upperclassman types like Fleming/Clifford/Wolf. I had ZERO interest in McNeeley or Asa Newell.

They once again roll with youth, shot creation/offensive upside, and positional size. Love the overall process even if Will Riley wasn’t on my radar personally. +Ast%, +A/TO, and 90th percentile in isolation scoring.

Would love to see them go after Toohey/Penda on day 2.

[Tyrone Messby]

I got to say, you guys are as miserable and pessimistic as we are except you're 7 deep and counting with 19-21 y/o kids with starter potential. I don't know if so many of you are horrible talent evaluators or conditioned to disappointment so crap on the young guys as a form of self preservation or defense mechanism but snap out of it. You have needed to do this for decades and it's finally happening. Let the cream rise to the top. One more tank year and with how strong next year's class is you're almost guaranteed to get that "engine" you feel you need

The Wiz haven’t drafted a player in the first round that has gone on to make the All Star game since 2012 with Beal. Please excuse me if I have a hard time believing in this front office, new or old.

[Kanyewest]

I was definitely Tre's biggest fan during the season. I would post about his games and the board's response was typically *crickets*. I had him at 4.

I was sure we had no chance to get him at 6. I am still shocked Kon went at 4.

Kon was at 4 on almost every major mock draft out there. The major curveball was Utah/Ace. After that, Tre is a fine pick IMO.

Atleast we didn’t pick Demin at 8. Tre is a much better pick than Fears or Maluach. I probably would’ve taken CMB but this team is clearly swinging for high upside offensive shot creation, can’t fault the approach.

Hopefully Tre really can lock in more on the defensive end when asked to carry a lower usage rate/reduced offensive role. He’s an easy player to root for with major offensive upside. This team is loaded with length.

Nobody had Kon at 4 prior to the lottery. The only reason he got mocked there recently is because word got out the Hornets liked him. I just had a hard time believing it.

It is possible that other teams liked Kon as well but we will never know. I've seen a couple of draft analysts put him in their own top 3 and even advocated for the 76ers to take him.

[pcbothwel]

Same process with the Will Riley pick. They clearly don’t have interest in the ball dominant types like Jakicionis/Traore, or the players that don’t have good size like Richardson. Also stayed away from any upperclassman types like Fleming/Clifford/Wolf. I had ZERO interest in McNeeley or Asa Newell.

They once again roll with youth, shot creation/offensive upside, and positional size. Love the overall process even if Will Riley wasn’t on my radar personally. +Ast%, +A/TO, and 90th percentile in isolation scoring.

Would love to see them go after Toohey/Penda on day 2.

I feel exactly the same. Very clear what they value.
Need to play on AND off ball
Dribble, pass, shoot
Positional size
Gym rat and high level processor
Willing to overlook single college stats for FIBA/EYBL tape

I can see why Fears, Traore, Fleming, etc weren’t high on their board.

[Kanyewest]

I got to say, you guys are as miserable and pessimistic as we are except you're 7 deep and counting with 19-21 y/o kids with starter potential. I don't know if so many of you are horrible talent evaluators or conditioned to disappointment so crap on the young guys as a form of self preservation or defense mechanism but snap out of it. You have needed to do this for decades and it's finally happening. Let the cream rise to the top. One more tank year and with how strong next year's class is you're almost guaranteed to get that "engine" you feel you need

The Wiz haven’t drafted a player in the first round that has gone on to make the All Star game since 2012 with Beal. Please excuse me if I have a hard time believing in this front office, new or old.

Random note, I believe the Pacers haven't drafted one since Paul George but they did trade for Halliburton. I believe the Wizards have not traded for an all star since 2005 in Caron Butler.

[tontoz]

It is possible that other teams liked Kon as well but we will never know. I've seen a couple of draft analysts put him in their own top 3 and even advocated for the 76ers to take him.

According to the Vegas odds the only team that was seriously considering him top 6 was the hornets.

Prior to the lottery the mocks typically had him 7-9.

[Kanyewest]

It is possible that other teams liked Kon as well but we will never know. I've seen a couple of draft analysts put him in their own top 3 and even advocated for the 76ers to take him.

According to the Vegas odds the only team that was seriously considering him top 6 was the hornets.

Prior to the lottery the mocks typically had him 7-9.

The Vegas odds had it baked in that the Hornets were going to take him so the odds for other teams taking him were going to be lower. The 76ers did have Tre Johnson ahead of Kon for the 76ers for what it is worth.

[Tyrone Messby]

I got to say, you guys are as miserable and pessimistic as we are except you're 7 deep and counting with 19-21 y/o kids with starter potential. I don't know if so many of you are horrible talent evaluators or conditioned to disappointment so crap on the young guys as a form of self preservation or defense mechanism but snap out of it. You have needed to do this for decades and it's finally happening. Let the cream rise to the top. One more tank year and with how strong next year's class is you're almost guaranteed to get that "engine" you feel you need

The Wiz haven’t drafted a player in the first round that has gone on to make the All Star game since 2012 with Beal. Please excuse me if I have a hard time believing in this front office, new or old.

Random note, I believe the Pacers haven't drafted one since Paul George but they did trade for Halliburton. I believe the Wizards have not traded for an all star since 2005 in Caron Butler.

not even the same comparison. How many top 10 picks have the Pacers had in comparison to the Wisardszs

[Tyrone Messby]

I got to say, you guys are as miserable and pessimistic as we are except you're 7 deep and counting with 19-21 y/o kids with starter potential. I don't know if so many of you are horrible talent evaluators or conditioned to disappointment so crap on the young guys as a form of self preservation or defense mechanism but snap out of it. You have needed to do this for decades and it's finally happening. Let the cream rise to the top. One more tank year and with how strong next year's class is you're almost guaranteed to get that "engine" you feel you need

The Wiz haven’t drafted a player in the first round that has gone on to make the All Star game since 2012 with Beal. Please excuse me if I have a hard time believing in this front office, new or old.

Random note, I believe the Pacers haven't drafted one since Paul George but they did trade for Halliburton. I believe the Wizards have not traded for an all star since 2005 in Caron Butler.

not even the same comparison. How many top 10 picks have the Pacers had in comparison to the Wizards